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Star Wars: The Force Unleashed? — Page 2
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Originally posted by: canofhumdingers
Personally, i think Jedi Knight & Jedi Outcast came the closest to capturing the proper "feel" of the force for a video game.
Personally, i think Jedi Knight & Jedi Outcast came the closest to capturing the proper "feel" of the force for a video game.
I agree. Despite my extreme disapproval of Kyle putting his typical mercenary days behind him and learning the ways of the force, I felt the two later Jedi Knight games were fantastic. They have always seemed much more OT than PT to me (with a fair dash of expanded universe thrown in). I really liked the feel of the force powers and the saber fighting.
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to me as a star wars fan KOTOR III is a thousand times more preferable to HALO 3, being of course that i like rpg better than fps.
George Lucas wrote the script and story for the force unleashed as well as the new indiana jones next gen game, and is personally overseeing and approving things. does this make any one else suspicious of the quality?
I know the animation with be tops it's lucasarts, ilm etc. but we know what happened on the prequels. i also have a great deal of trepidation and doubt over indiana jones IV and the 3d star wars cartoon and live action series. I also don't like where the EU is heading in the books and comics, they have way too much connection to the darkness of the prequels and are nothing like the real original star wars.
this game is just another way for lucas to crap all over the originals and also the original EU continuity. Vader had no need for an apprentice as he was focusing his energy on exterminating the rest of the jedi. Plus his desire was to has his son as his apprentice not some joe schmo character lucas cooked up after the prequels. Yeah i know, supposedly he did not know about luke's existance at this point.
there were many imperial agents vader could use for information. he was powerfull enough to do his own dirty work unlike the emperor he was the physical embodyment of the evil empire. even as mostly machine he was more than a match for the rebels. or any jedi. the only threat to him would be his own offspring.
this game will also be considered canon as lucas came up with it, and may even factor into the live action tv series.
this may be the first time a piece of the EU is considered to be canon, rather than professional fan fiction.
the Kyle katarn saga was one of my favorites of the EU. i would like for there to be some novels or even comics fleshing out this part of the sw universe. The star wars tales piece was awesome, set during the NJO. i also liked him being included in the NJO order series even just as an aside to the fans. similar to how Zahn put Stacy from Pink Five in Allegiance without even mentioning her name.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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I felt the two later Jedi Knight games were fantastic.
Lucasarts did not make them, Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy were made by Raven. Sorry but we're talking about Lucasarts games here and whether they suck or rock, A good few people seems to be holding in high praise [great] games that were only released through Lucasarts.
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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And now that the biggest entertainment event of the year has gone?
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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What do you say about the concept of Juno Eclipse in FU? That's the blonde woman in Imperial pilot's uniform, shown on the concept art here and here..
As much as I would like to see a hot chick in Imperial uniform (just imagine a black biker in Imperial Gunner suit, removing the helmet only to reveal a buxom blonde behind the uniform
), I'm against the women being shown in Imperial Forces.Why?
Empire is not meant to be egalitarian, "equal-opportunity corporation". We are to believe it's ruthless, totalitarian, fascist, chauvinist regime. Aren't they the bad guys in the strictest sense? (OT is pretty black-or-white in terms of morality). "No aliens" is not enough to speak to our imagination (becausle in r/l we don't see aliens around), so the movies also portrayed it as "white men only". And I loved how Rebel Alliance was shown not only with aliens in its ranks, but also with both men and women, white and non-white humans.
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And getting back to the plot: this is straight from the gamespot.com article:
Finally, we got to see some sample gameplay from an extremely early version of the game, set inside the TIE fighter shipyard. This level tasked the player with seeking out and destroying General Kota, who was holed up somewhere in the facility. This involved the player [...] ripping his way through waves of stormtroopers and regular uniformed guards with his red lightsaber and Force powers. We asked why Darth Vader's errand boy would be killing a bunch of Imperial troops in the service of the Empire, and were told that since you're a secret agent, you can't leave anyone behind to talk about what happened. But since the troops were shouting taunts at the player indicating they knew why he was there and that he wouldn't be allowed to reach Kota, we have to wonder what else is going on with the storyline here.
"Whaaa...?"
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OK, you want me to stop b*tching and find one thing I like about the game?
I'm just a humble servant, m'lord...
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I really think they do need a devils advocate on this project, or at least "force power combos roxxors!" advocate...
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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) that you haven't read this preview at Gamespot. Maybe others haven't seen it as well? It's 3 days old, after all.So here it is. Follow the links to find other news items about FU.
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J/K by the way
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But it isn't the first time EU has had females in the Empire. All the way back to Zahn, Mara Jade was the Emperor's Hand.
You're correct. I remember female Imperial pilot voices in "X-Wing vs TIE Fighter" (~1997) and plenty of female crewwomen in "Force Commander" (~2000). I don't count Mara here - she's a spy/dark-jedi-wannabe, and not much of a regular soldier.
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Rogue Squadron had Kasaan Moor (or however the hell you spell her name) as the leader of an Interceptor Squadron.
But it isn't the first time EU has had females in the Empire. All the way back to Zahn, Mara Jade was the Emperor's Hand.
You're correct. I remember female Imperial pilot voices in "X-Wing vs TIE Fighter" (~1997) and plenty of female crewwomen in "Force Commander" (~2000). I don't count Mara here - she's a spy/dark-jedi-wannabe, and not much of a regular soldier.
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Rogue Squadron had Kasaan Moor (or however the hell you spell her name) as the leader of an Interceptor Squadron.
I didn't know that, thnx.
C3PX, I would actually agree with what you joked about. The game's graphic engine looks fine - and the new technology used for physics simulation sounds really interesting.
But just like with SE or PT: it's not enough to just have a wonder-making technology to create true wonders...
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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The Win95 version didn't want to work under XP at first, but now I tweaked it to submission. And guess what - I even managed to tweak it to accept "X-Wing Alliance - Upgrade" (fan made project) models! Not all work (esp. bigger ones), but starfighters look fine - to be honest, the best TIE models I've seen in games, even official LEC games had their proportions messed up (how come?!?). I even started re-recording hi-quality interface music from original MIDIs (the win95 version comes with horrible recordings!).
I guess I'll give my old game one more ride
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And regarding my babbling about my own Star Wars game project: I've created a separate thread in order to keep this one on-topic.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
[...]Yoda would always use the force to influence them to do something stupid, like telling a Stormtrooper his gun is backwards so that he shoots himself.
[...]Yoda would always use the force to influence them to do something stupid, like telling a Stormtrooper his gun is backwards so that he shoots himself.
Makes you think about the difference between OT and PT Yoda, eh? He didn't use to be mad-ninja-master/green-monkey-with-lightsaber.
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Originally posted by: RRS-1980
For the younglings, who have no idea what are we talking about here:
Makes you think about the difference between OT and PT Yoda, eh? He didn't use to be mad-ninja-master/green-monkey-with-lightsaber.
For the younglings, who have no idea what are we talking about here:
Originally posted by: C3PX
[...]Yoda would always use the force to influence them to do something stupid, like telling a Stormtrooper his gun is backwards so that he shoots himself.
[...]Yoda would always use the force to influence them to do something stupid, like telling a Stormtrooper his gun is backwards so that he shoots himself.
Makes you think about the difference between OT and PT Yoda, eh? He didn't use to be mad-ninja-master/green-monkey-with-lightsaber.
Yeah, it is amazing what a different perception of the great master people had back then.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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I spent 5 hours and played through Force Unleashed II on hard. Wow, that was a short game. Not only short, but short. The original game had, by my account, 6 or 7 locations- this one has 3. Perhaps a little more time is spent at each location- but I don't think so.
Regardless of what you think of the story of the first game, this story is really quite weak.
There isn't really any innovation in gameplay- just a few new moves added to the set. QTE events are much simpler... which is fine other than it means you're just watching a QTE without having to push any buttons. I'd rather still have to do something rather than just watch.
The enemies are repeats from the first game, with a few new (3 or 4) ones for good measure.
The boss battles are all new, and the "I'm falling and using my force powers" segment is used to good effect three times in the game.
There's a much stronger "Prequel" setting to this game (2 of the 3 settings are prequel related), which was a turnoff for me. Though both of those settings really are beautiful and Cato Nemoidia was really well done.
Probably most offensive, they really trashed the "character leveling/progression" bit. Instead of working towards a new level for your character where you'll get some tokens to develope several different kind of abilities, debuffs, and characteristics- you just get points for everything you do and you can use the points to level up 6 different characteristics. I appreciate that they didn't take the common sequel route- "Look at all of those upgrades you got in the first game! You ROCK! Oops... nevermind- looks like you lost them and you'll have to start over. Sorry 'bout that. :(" but they even had the perfect set-up since you don't play "the same character" from the first game anyhow.
The Holocrons aren't really hidden (for the most part) and unlock other upgrades- like health, force 'mana', and new costume and lightsabre parts.
HOWEVER-
Despite all of that, I quite enjoyed it. You might be wondering how, based on the above. Yeah, me too. I'm playing through it again, on "Unleashed" difficulty. In the first game, playing on the hardest difficulty meant starting over without any of your upgrades and having to work twice as hard to get each one. This time, it's new game plus and it might be a tinge easier than hard was, since you are mostly upgraded when you start "unleashed".
Had this been a $20 expansion to the first game, I think people would have been over the moon with it. Since it was a full $60 sequel (or at least, was sold as such) I still can't help but be disappointed by it. But since I only paid $15 for it at Blockbuster... I am still mostly happy with it.
And speaking of expansions 
, the Endor DLC for this game (I paid 80 MS points for it and I think that's still the price) is the best part of the game. Continuing on (I think) from the end of the DLC from the first game, you have already defeated Obi-Wan on Tatooine and Luke on Hoth and now you have tracked the flailing Rebellion to Endor. You're dropped off near the Rebel's stolen Shuttle and make your way through the Ewok village and chase the rebels to the shield generator. There you have to face down Han and Chewie and then chase after the princess who is setting charges.
Something about this level really worked for me and I think it might have been playing the bad guy again. (Or it was the OT setting) In this level, you are the Darth Vader that never was. You are young, you are fast, you are full of fire and destruction. You are the sole representation of the Empire on Endor and the rebels about crap their pants when they hear you are coming. And rightfully so, since you wipe them out. All of them.
I guess this is maybe what Maul was supposed to be? He came across as too much of a cartoon for me to ever really consider him to be a true threat. Sure, he fought off 2 Jedi at once. Did he ever trash an entire legion of his enemies? Maybe he did in a book somewhere. It's too bad. The Prequels should have had someone like this in them.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
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I'm trying to figure out how to answer the question posed in the thread title.
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"No, thank you" is actually the correct answer, Fink.