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Song Of The South - many projects, much info & discussion thread (Released) — Page 9

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So SongoftheSouth.net has low resolution stills. Nothing useful.

Looks like I'll either have to construct something, use stills from the movie... or maybe no menu.

Dr. M

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As long as you're working on a new full fledged NTSC release, I've got a lot of stuff that is waiting in the wings for such a thing. I have stills for concept art, production art, behind-the-scenes photos, theatrical release posters and lobby cards, trailers, Sing-Along-Songs, and more. About 1 GB worth. I'll PM you for your address as I'll have to snail-mail a disc. This is exciting!
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Before encoding I did a 5% encoding of quality based 1 pass VBR (Q=1) to test for an estimated average bitrate.
The upshot is I had to come down several hundred kbps to fit the movie to the disc.
I'd rather not go to dual layer or compromise the video anymore than necessary.

That being said, I see no problem with someone building a second DVD of extras as a companion since I know there is a lot of cool stuff floating around out there.

Edit: I just got your PM. Ok, maybe I'LL be building a second disc.

Dr. M

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Wow - this is great. A second disc would be an incredible add-in, and well worth the trouble. From the looks of the other posts (especially Rowman's), this second disc may be more exciting than the movie itself. I also liked the cover art on the previous page, tying this to the Disney collector series.
Dr M - What program are you using for the menus?
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As yet I have found no stills I like the look of for the main menu.
I found a nice instrumental version of Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah that'll I'd use instead of the Splash Mountain music.

The menu is only planned to have 'About' and 'Play' so I'm actually considering scrapping the menu if I can't find a nice picture.

Dr. M

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Anyone have a chapter list?
Mentor used 10 minute intervals.

Dr. M

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There's one on the cover of the Japanese laserdisc, but it's in (you guessed it)... Japanese. Any translaters?
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I don't need the actually titles, just the time of the chapters (I can make an educated guess from there).

Dr. M

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Wow, seems my little upload has caused quite a stir. Glad I uploaded it now. ^_^

When you get done, lemme know Doc. Definitely want a copy of yer ntsc version and this disk 2.

Wonder if I'll get a spot in the "credits". lol

I've got better things to do tonight than die! - Springer, Transformers the Movie

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Perhaps I'm sharing stuff here that you guys already know, but I thought this post from 2004 on the "Velocity Reviews forum was interesting...

To save you the trouble of following the link, the poster ("unclejr") says:

The Hong Kong SOTS LD is the exact same film transfer as the UK PAL
VHS tape. In fact, if you press your pause button while playing your
DVD, you will see overlapping still fields -- a tell-tale sign of a
PAL-to-NTSC transfer. Also, the film runs a few minutes shorter than
the NTSC-mastered Japanese LD -- another indication that the HK LD is
a PAL-to-NTSC transfer.


Of course, the phrase that caught my attention here was "overlapping still fields"... Can it be that Disney themselves are the culprit here? Why would *their* PAL-to-NTSC be f-ed up unless their PAL master was bad? (In fact, why wouldn't they have done a new TC straight to NTSC?) Sounds like the 2006 BBC broadcast was from this same fatally-flawed master. If so, shame on Disney (well, *further* shame, anyway) - and I guess that puts the kibosh on the Doctor M's contention that there might be a "pretty decent looking NTSC telecined source floating around somewhere". (Sorry, Doctor M - just don't want you to have to be Indiana Jonesin' around the 'net looking for an artifact that's only a legend...)

Well, just tripped over that and thought I'd FYI - if it's "old news", so be it...

Just finished downing DrGonzo's up of Mentor's PAL cap from RS, and looking forward to Dr. M's NTSC. I know it's heartbreaking to have to "throw away" picture information, but you'll have to be content with having made any kind of silk purse from this sow's ear...
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What makes us believe this is from a different source is that the runtime is actually correct for the movie and NOT sped up.

The filter used for cleanup is specifically designed to remove the merged fields that occur from an NTSC 29.97fps to 25fps PAL conversion and not the other way around.

The laserdisc transfer I have is indeed shorter than this new release. For whatever reason the source is obviously not a 24 frame film to 24 frame PAL telecine, hence the belief there was a 29.97 intermediate conversion.

Dr. M

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Guess I'm just a little trigger-happy to blast Disney on any issue regarding this film...

Thanks for clarifying. I guess the prospect of Disney creating a sloppy NTSC LD from a PAL master that they themselves converted from NTSC is pretty remote, huh?

As Emily Litella used to say....

"never mind..."
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Hey, I'm not saying I'm right, it's just a best guess scenario. I'm pleased because I couldn't figure out why the LD transfer I had ran short (and I believe it was from the Korean release).
Since there was so much talk of a new official DVD release in the UK, perhaps this is the work that was done and they just decided to go to TV with it instead.

Dr. M

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This may have already been posted, but there is some 'rare' behind-the-scenes footage mentioned on songofthesouth dot net. http://www.songofthesouth.net/news/index.html#122306
Perhaps it is too low of resolution to be of any use. Dr m already indicated the stills are too low of resolution. Therefore this post may be irrelevant!!
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Does anyone know the source of this cover? The original image (without the additional text) would make a great looking menu.

http://fanedit.org/preservations/drgonzo_songofsouth/3D_SOS.jpg

Dr. M

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That cover has been around for a while, I believe its made from the UK VHS tape.

Here's a preview of two covers I've done a while back, but never posted online.

http://home.si.rr.com/jocustoms/song.jpg

http://home.si.rr.com/jocustoms/song2.jpg

The first is a little different now than from that screenshot, all it needs is a list of specs to be typed on it. The treasures version was based on the one posted a couple of pages back, but done with a Treasures template I had made.
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Not to be a stick-in-the-mud - you guys did tremendous work on those covers - but I don't think SOTS fits in with the "Disney Treasures" line of product. To my knowledge, Disney has only put 2 feature films in DT collections, "The Reluctant Dragon" and "Victory Through Air Power", but both of those appeared as part of collections of (arguably) "wider" scope ("Behind the Scenes at the Walt Disney Studios" and "On the Front Lines", respectively). Seems to me that SOTS would only fit then under the auspices of a larger "collection"... (I shudder to think of the ideas some of you guys could come up with! ) Anyway, I always thought that the "Disney Classics" series was where this film belonged - hence the "frame spine" I added to the sleeve Doctor M posted above. (My "tweak" of a found artwork/sleeve...) When I came up with "VERY LIMITED ISSUE" (in small letters at the top of the "frame spine"), it gave me a chuckle...

Of the two main artwork themes, I prefer the colorful one (from the UK VHS). Not that I like the color so much (it really isn't a good representation of the color in the film, to be sure!) but the kids look more like themselves in this image (except for Bobby Driscoll's hair looking blonde). I'm not even sure that was really Luana Patten in the "walking over the hill" picture; sure doesn't look like her...
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Either way, I'm still without any high quality stills to use for a menu.
There probably won't be one.

As far as a disc of extras, logistics are still being discussed.

Dr. M

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I have the japanese laserdisc. Would a high-rez photo of the cover help? Unfortunately I'm not sure a screen capture would be a high enough resolution, but if so - let me know and I can try to get one. Since the BBC broadcast is a higher resolution to start with, a screen capture from your material would probably be better than what I have.
I've done some snooping on the web, and all I've found is low-rez stuff as well.
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Joeyo: What is the source of the top cover art you're using? I'd love to get a hold of a clean version of the picture.

Dr. M

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Its from a SOTS book I picked up on eBay, I have the scan available (its a couple MB in size). I also have a couple of menu concepts I made too. Just let me know where I can send them and they are yours.
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I'd like to see them. Could you turn your PMs on?

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Either way, I'm still without any high quality stills to use for a menu.
There probably won't be one.

As far as a disc of extras, logistics are still being discussed.


Have you looked at these? Something might work for a menu.

It has probably been mentioned a dozen times for the extras disc, but there is that small scene from Fletch Lives! which would work there.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: Doctor M
Either way, I'm still without any high quality stills to use for a menu.
There probably won't be one.

As far as a disc of extras, logistics are still being discussed.


Have you looked at these? Something might work for a menu.

It has probably been mentioned a dozen times for the extras disc, but there is that small scene from Fletch Lives! which would work there.


wow, i have a pretty sweet idea for a menu based off those posters...
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Dr M - I replied to your PM (sorry, I forgot to check my PMs!) and I can get you a pic of the laserdisc cover. Please let me know if I can help out.