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Song Of The South - many projects, much info & discussion thread (Released) — Page 7

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There is actually a pretty decent NTSC already floating around (not from the BBC broadcast) that does NOT have any japanese subs or anything.

As yet there does not seem to be an NTSC conversion from Mentor's TV cap. If by the time I get it from RapidShare no one has done it, I will definitely undertake the project, have no fear.

The only concern is it's been said that it's interlaced, suggesting they did some weird pulldown scheme rather than the traditional speed up.
I won't know what I'm looking at until I have it and can check out the video frames and listen to the audio side-by-side an NTSC version.

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: DrGonzo369
I know it's not the Mentor edition, unless he reauthored it AFTER I got mine. This one is completely barebones.

Hopefully have it upped on RS by the end of the day.


reading ome of the comments, I believe it is barebones. But I'll see shortly.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
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Message from drgonzo369:
Since my sister-in-law's frakkin dog ate my power supply cable on my laptop last night, the SotS upload is postponed for a few more days. rar1-rar19 are up, but all my log-in info is on my laptop and I don't want to drain the battery down any more then I have to until I order a new ac adapter. I'm hoping to get it ordered this weekend once I get paid (and money is clear in the bank), so as soon as it comes in (which will probably be next week) the upload will resume and the links will be put up.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but I have to buy the cable and I'm strapped for cash today (which I was hoping to get my paycheck today).

Once it's up, everyone will know.

DrGonzo369

Dr. M

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"As yet there does not seem to be an NTSC conversion from Mentor's TV cap. If by the time I get it from RapidShare no one has done it, I will definitely undertake the project, have no fear."

I cant wait to see this,Rowman and myself tried it,and it has some goofy shit going on,like I said,If it is the same file we have,I cant wait to see your conversion.
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well this is what I ended up with,

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Harlock415/Harlock/vlcsnap-471354.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Harlock415/Harlock/vlcsnap-472688.jpg

Not barebones, but it doesn't give me a clue on which version this is.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
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Those DVD pictures show a transfer that has been around since at least since 2001 mastered from the Chinese laserdisc. Although this was the best DVD preservation available at the time, the Japanese NTSC laserdisc (with subtitles) and the recent BBC PAL broadcast look much better. This one is referred to as “Coal Black Easter Egg” version.

See Rikters June 29th post on page 4.
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Does anyone have artwork for this release? One fellow posted a case insert on Demonoid but it was too low-res.

thanks!
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Check slark's posts on page 6 and you'll find cover and disc art.
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Originally posted by: RowMan
Check slark's posts on page 6 and you'll find cover and disc art.

Wonderful, thank you! And thanks to slark too. :-)

Ron Moses

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good news. I went and got an ac adapter (though it cost me 80bones), so I'll restart the upload when I get to work. (I might try and do a couple of parts while I sleep).

Will let people know when it's up on RS.

I've got better things to do tonight than die! - Springer, Transformers the Movie

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That's great news.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
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Good News. Song of the South: The Mentor Cap is now up on RS. The links will be on the other site.

I've got better things to do tonight than die! - Springer, Transformers the Movie

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Will there be a torrent as well?

Dr. M

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DoctorM- I hadn't planned on doing a torrent. I can mail you a copy of the dvd if you don't wanna do RS.

I've got better things to do tonight than die! - Springer, Transformers the Movie

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It'll probably take just as long with RapidShare. Thanks for the offer though.

Dr. M

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For those curious about the oddity that is making this film NTSC resistant:

Typically PAL broadcasts from a film source use 2:2 pulldown. That is, all frames are duplicated (to make 48 fields), interlaced (into 24 interlaced frames) and sped up to 25 frames a second. As a result this pretty much translates to 25 unique frames a second. If you ever notice interlace artifacts it's usually because someone edited it badly and the fields are out of sync. That can still be corrected because there are no duplicate frames as in NTSC and they can be shift back where they belong.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1381/2to2og3.png

Now for whatever reason THIS movie consists of a pattern where:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3562/sotsyd0.png

So every other field is a blurry merge of 2 film frames and every final frame is an interlaced combination of one good field and one merged field. This pattern shifts during the movie.

This is could be the result of a bad telecine process(?)

I could suss out where the patterns shifts and throw out the blurry fields, but that would result in a half resolution movie being resized to full screen.
Since there are already compression artifacts, our old laserdiscs caps would probably look better by the end of that.

Option 2 is to slow this down and keep all the crap as it is and make a 23.976 fps 100% interlaced video and apply 23.976 to 29.97 pulldown flags.
That could get ugly on playback since your player would be interlacing interlaced frames.

Option 3 involves duplicating frames to make 29.97 frames. And this would result in jerky video.

I'm not sure there is a good answer to this.

Dr. M

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Is it fair to say then that each "result" frame should actually be a combination of THREE fields: the Even field PLUS the Odd field *before* and MINUS the Odd field *after*? Is there a technical way that this could be effected?
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Hmmm... I think I've already answered my own question: trying to "subtract" the trailing Odd field (or the leading Odd field, for that matter) from the Even field would be ineffective as there is no duplication between the two. (One being Even and one being Odd, after all...) It would seem then that the Even fields in the example are irretrievably corrupted...

Boo! Hiss!
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yea, I took the copy from Mentor even though the original broadcast was kinda mucked up. Quality-wise, this is the best version of this I've ever seen, though I did notice that the audio on some of the songs ("How do you do" and "Zippity Doo Da" in particular) is a little...different....

If you can "fix" it, lemme know. I just figured that since no one really distro'd the latest airing that I would.

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When I get a chance, I'll post some screenies comparing the single "good" field resized to 720x480 versus the older DVD transfer that I already have (which is probably one of the best floating around without and foreign subs).

Dr. M

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Hello,

I have been after an excellent copy of Song of the South. How does one get involved with Rapidshare?

Thank you for your help.

Greg
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@Doctor M, that's some bizzare interlacing. I keep coming up with theories, but none of them quite fit. I'll see for myself pretty soon, maybe I can get a clue to the cause. Probably won't help get a solution, but the cause is nagging me.


@Gregbert007,
Edit: Oh. Right. Duh. Sorry about that. Yeah, see Ron's post below.

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Gregbert007, if you turn on your PMs I believe I can help you. I can't post the information here, unfortunately.

Ron Moses

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Thanks Ron. Just turned on PM's. I guess I didn't realise I had the option to have them on or off.

Take care,
Greg
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Hi,

When you say the RS link is up on the "other" site, could someone please tell me what that is? I have the version of SotS posted above (with the radio spots, etc), but I would love to check this one out.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.