OK I already went back and re authored the NTSC version,was not happy at all with the volume loss from the PAL to NTSC ac3 conversion,very very noticeable,so I converted to wav,normalised it to a much higher volume,and converted back to ac3 then added the delay,made a test DVDr,and now I am happy with it,no reciever cranking now LOL,and while I was messing with it,I added some menu music to the NTSC version,just not the PAL,no need to redo that one,the sound is great. hopefully by the weekend I will be able to up 1 of these verisons,but I will be encoding Metallica Live in Seoul South Korea from Aug. 15 2006,that is my next project. DJ