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Bill Gates is usually wrong about future tendencies and market decisions - anyone remember how he ridiculously thought the Internet would fade away and people would use the infamous Microsoft Network? The only reason Bill Gates is where he is, is thanks to IBM's picking Microsoft up at the right moment - out of luck - and stupid media frenzy about the man.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Bill Gates is usually wrong about future tendencies and market decisions - anyone remember how he ridiculously thought the Internet would fade away and people would use the infamous Microsoft Network? The only reason Bill Gates is where he is, is thanks to IBM's picking Microsoft up at the right moment - out of luck - and stupid media frenzy about the man.



And his uncanny ability to buy other peoples failed ideas, slap a new name on them and make 'em sell like hotcakes. But yeah, mostly luck.

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Originally posted by: JediSage
Semi-regular use in the past isn't enough to render an opinion? I don't own a Lincoln but I know it's a nice car because I've been in them before.


I can tell you a lot more about the Acura RSX I drive every day than my mom's Ford Sport Trac, which I've driven here and there when necessary.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Bill Gates is usually wrong about future tendencies and market decisions - anyone remember how he ridiculously thought the Internet would fade away and people would use the infamous Microsoft Network? The only reason Bill Gates is where he is, is thanks to IBM's picking Microsoft up at the right moment - out of luck - and stupid media frenzy about the man.


I wouldn't go there unless we're willing to talk about Xerox/PARC putting Apple where it is...

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I've gotten to the point with Microsoft where I am SERIOUSLY considering buying a Mac to try it out. I just like that it's so simple and compact. My computer set up is top notch and is massive while the Macs are a simple mouse, keyboard and monitor where all the components are built into the monitor. I like that!!! I like the lack of clutter. I like the look and I like the feel.....I just don't know anything about them so I'm hesitant, but my curiousity is growing like mad.

MS just irks the hell out of me with all the crap they cause with their stuff. MS thinks they're the end all be all of computers and that ain't so. My sister (who's in IT and very knowledgeable, IMHO) was talking to an MS rep a while back and she said that MS's attitude is that they want to be EVERYWHERE. If they could help you get your laundry done, they want to be involved. I don't like that attitude. Turns me off big time.

Plus....I just find myself wanting to get away from the computer more and more. I feel I spend far too much time in front of one and I'm always having to spend time fixing this or doing that, installing some update or finding some fix. It's getting to be a drag. I want to just turn it on....do what I want to do and turn it the hell off. No fuss.

Not to derail the thread here....but any Mac users out there....could you give me an assessment of why you like them better than PCs? Nevermind the hardware and other stuff....how do you FEEL, FEEL about them?
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funny how all version of xp as well as office 2003 are being recalled from my work.

your can ONLY buy Vista now.
even the copies of xp that we had left we werent allowed to sell because microsoft wanted them all back.
bunch of assholes.

and people wonder why Microsoft is so hated?

when i do upgrade, you can bet i wont be paying for it.
i like to not be forced into buying something.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
how do you FEEL, FEEL about them?


My Power Mac gives me the warm fuzzies. Visually pleasing and functional--both the hardware and software. Very refined product with a great aesthetic and excellent usability.
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Yeah....but didn't they design the validation thing this time so you can't run it on more than one computer. Not sure exactly what they did, but they changed that whole thing and made it a lot stricter.

I personally hate that whole damn validation thing. Annoying as hell.
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Originally posted by: Jay
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
how do you FEEL, FEEL about them?


My Power Mac gives me the warm fuzzies. Visually pleasing and functional--both the hardware and software. Very refined product with a great aesthetic and excellent usability.


That's what I'm thinking. The whole thing just feels better to be using. Do you have to waste time tinkering with something or trying to fix something? Sure doesn't look like it with a Mac.

I'm looking at one of those G4 deals with the Intel in it so I can also run Windows and play my games.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
That's what I'm thinking. The whole thing just feels better to be using. Do you have to waste time tinkering with something or trying to fix something? Sure doesn't look like it with a Mac.


We picked up a Mac Pro recently for the new designer we hired. My boss was stunned at how the Mac connected to our network and immediately recognized all our network drives and other stuff. Macs handle Windows networks better than Windows does

OS X ftw!
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Now that is sweet!!! That's what I'm looking for.....something you don't have to waste time messing with!!!
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I agree with others on this site. I'll get Vista when I get a new computer. I have no desire for buggy bloatware.
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I actually liked Windows XP. It always worked for me, didn't have to spend much time repairing stuff. I use windows because a lot of the programs I want to use only work under windows. I think it's difficult to switch operating systems when you're used to one. If all my programs would work under Linux than I would probably learn to use that.

I tried Windows Vista Basic Home edition today. It worked OK on my computer. It looked really nice. I like the sidebar with the clock and cpu/mem meters and all other gadgets you can activate and place as you like. But after a clean windows install the next thing I do is install an anti-virus program. And that was a problem because my anti-virus software that I love (and works perfectly under XP) doesn't work with Vista (yet). So now I have Windows XP again (it only took about 3 minutes to switch back to XP because I use Norton Ghost).
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For what it's worth. I've been testing out Vista Ultimate on my P4 machine and it's working fine so far. I had some discrepancies with explorer not wanting to preview video files with different codecs, but other than that nothing to complain about. I think the interface with the transparent windows is pretty cool.

That being said, my next computer will be a Mac Pro. Being in film school and majoring in post production, I need the ability to run software like Final Cut Studio at home. Of course, my decision was much easier knowing that you can now boot into Windows on a Mac as well. I won't have to give up PC software like AviSynth, VirtualDubMod, and the wealth of other open-source multimedia software I've come to know and love over the last few years.

I have to agree with you Jay, those Mac towers are a thing of absolute beauty - inside and out.

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Like everyone else, waiting a year or two for the Service Packs to come out for Bill Gates resource hog.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Bill Gates is usually wrong about future tendencies and market decisions - anyone remember how he ridiculously thought the Internet would fade away and people would use the infamous Microsoft Network? The only reason Bill Gates is where he is, is thanks to IBM's picking Microsoft up at the right moment - out of luck - and stupid media frenzy about the man.


Let's not forget a government-enforced patent on a programming language (which should be a very weak patent at best in my opinion). (Not that I have anything against patents, but I think they're far too prolific and powerful right now. In general, everyone is in danger of being sued by everyone else these days and competitive freedom is certainly dwindling as a result.)

Otherwise, Bill Gates is a smart guy and I don't criticize him for his success, but I'd rather not use their products if I were given the choice. Their one-size-fits-all approach and their arrogance in thinking they KNOW what everybody wants really turns me off.

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quick question for those of you who own a mac.

what is this tinkering that your all talking about that you have to do to your computer?
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There's not much tinkering you have to do with a Mac, for the most part.

Granted, I still do a lot, but that might be a side effect from working tech support.
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i meant for those saying you have to do a lot of tinkering with a pc.

what tinkering are you talking about?
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I would love to try a Mac, I may do that since you can boot into windows on some of them now.
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Originally posted by: Jay
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
That's what I'm thinking. The whole thing just feels better to be using. Do you have to waste time tinkering with something or trying to fix something? Sure doesn't look like it with a Mac.


We picked up a Mac Pro recently for the new designer we hired. My boss was stunned at how the Mac connected to our network and immediately recognized all our network drives and other stuff. Macs handle Windows networks better than Windows does

OS X ftw!



Exactly! I hate Windows networking, seems like it take an hour to get a unit to recognize the network, from my Mac experience (which is more of the Ford Sport Trac variety) you just plug them in and your going. Remember when you watched cartoons as a kid, and sometimes they would depict the year 2000 as this great technologically advanced space aged world. Floating cities, hover cars.

Several years ago I was thinking to myself how much those old depictions missed the mark, and that the world is nowhere near that advanced. Then one day I was traveling and took a ride on a very futuristic feeling subway train. And I thought to myself, You know, were not all that bad off technology wise. This could pass for the year 2000. Well, every time I use a Mac, I get that same feeling. So simple, so easy, yet so advanced and powerful. It is most certainly not a computer for people who don't know how to use computers, as I have heard Mac basher make claim. But the beauty of the mac is that it is can be given to a person who has never used a computer before, and they can learn how to use it much easier than they could Windows, this doesn't mean it is dumbed down, it just has a much less complicated and much more sufficient layout.

Hmmm, imagine a parallel universe where the Mac won out over PC. I wonder how much different the world would look...

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i meant for those saying you have to do a lot of tinkering with a pc.

what tinkering are you talking about?


By tinkering, I mean you have to install the updates. I do it manually, otherwise I'll get stuff I don't want...like IE7 (piece of shit). Sometimes those Windows updates take like 2 or 3 reboots and that annoys the shit out of me. I still get messages telling me that my USB devices will be faster if I get a better USB expansion card. I have an old one and don't really want to get a new one. I know I can turn that shit off, but I just don't want to take the time to do it right now.

I get another stupid message about program updates or something. It pops up every now and then and I can't seem to stop it from doing so. There's a few other things that bug me, but I can't think of them right now. It just feels like I spend more time adjusting my computer than actually doing stuff on my computer. Macs don't seem to be that way, hence my interest.

Perhaps I'm just being a twit about it.....but I've come to hate dealing with the little things on a Windows machine, that's all. It's like I have to constantly keep an eye on things in order to keep MS from doing something to it from behind the scenes.....if that makes any sense.
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OS X also requires fairly regular updates, but reboots aren't required as often, and when they are, you only need to do it once.

It's also nice that OS X runs well on older hardware. You could drop a few hundred on a used dual G4 tower and have a fairly capable machine to get your feet wet. If you decide you like it, get rid of it in six months and buy a newer one.

I'm actually selling my dual 2.5Ghz G5 and moving to a Mac Pro if you're interested
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate on this one and pick the PC over the Mac. Why? Because it's such a pain in the ass to find compatible software. If I'm about to download or buy a program, I have to check to see if it's Mac-compatible first. It's like the vegetarian of the computer world.

Also, I mainly use my PC for gaming and video editing, and it's even more of a pain in the ass to find Mac-compatible games.

Not to mention the fact that the only good Mac-compatible torrent client is Azureus, which I hate.

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I'll go the pc route on price alone, forgetting about readily available parts and service. I can build myself a hell of a gaming machine for the $800 Apple wants for it's 1.8GHZ "mac-mini" and have not one ounce of regret.
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