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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
I always assumed that the 2nd Death Star was started many years before the first one was even completed. For the Empire to have one DS would be awsome, but to have many, that would be ultimate.
Exactly. Has nobody here seen Contact? "The first rule of Government spending is: Why have one, when you can have two at twice the cost?"


This might be closer to it. Having two Death Stars would help minimize a problem that is brought out in the novel, where the other Imperial officers on the Death Star suggest to Tarkin that he should use the Death Star to make himself Emperor.

But in the end, the Death Star scene doesn't fit in the movie. As someone said, its fan material only. I know Death Stars have to take a long time to build, but 20+ years doesn't make sense. The explanation that they waited a while before starting the Ep. IV DS makes more sense in the end.
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so what could everyone be looking at instead of the death star prototype? I cant see Palpatine being in space for any old reason, but I would love for it to be something aside from the DS.
Maybe an editor can plug in something that is worth looking at, but isnt quite so heavy handed.....
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Although Lucas maintains it is the first DS, I would much more believe the DS Prototype option.

Here is conception of the DS Proto from wookieepedia
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/4d/DS_prototype.jpg

and here is the one from the movie
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/rots~/GW7vq.jpg

They look the same to me.

I also find it odd that the construction seems to be done differently than the DS 2, where they seem to be working on a level by level basis and in a north west direction. Whereas the alleged first DS they put a shell around it first then worked inward. If anyone understand what I'm saying.

Second DS Construction photo
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep6/rotj085.jpg
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
It'd be cool if someone like Darth Editous would make an alternate version of this scene with something else out the window.


This is true. Something like the construction/recent completion of the Executor from ESB would make more sense.
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Originally posted by: stossmo
so what could everyone be looking at instead of the death star prototype? I cant see Palpatine being in space for any old reason, but I would love for it to be something aside from the DS.
Maybe an editor can plug in something that is worth looking at, but isnt quite so heavy handed.....


In my unpublished script rewrite, they're looking at a secret KDY shipyard where the first batch of 100 or so Imperial Star Destroyers are under construction. I think that blends better into ANH; while the Death Star was a nonentity between RotS and ANH, the ISD became the face of the Empire.
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That'd be awesome. Plus it'd be a good reason for Vader to be there [and actually care].
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Originally posted by: ricarleite
I remember that I've posted here, when ROTS was released, that that particular scene could not have take place so fast, like, days after Vader got his suit. Apart from the whole Death Star discussion, the imperial officers were seeing using the OT imperial uniform - or something close to it - and were at their posts and working. Now, I don't remember seeing anything like that on the PT, and I don't remember Palpatine having a shitload of boxes filled with uniforms for his new officers, so...


That is my only guess it's a couple years after the twins are given over. GL should have placed that scene last like I stated before.


Regarding this, I think in the audio commentary of ROTS it is said that a couple of weeks have passed since the Death Star construction scene and the scene preceeding it.


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I still can't see what the problem is.
20 years for something that big is realistic. I mean, they take about 2 years over here to build a Multi-Level carpark, so 20 years to build what amounts to a moon, is not so unrealistic.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
I still can't see what the problem is.
20 years for something that big is realistic. I mean, they take about 2 years over here to build a Multi-Level carpark, so 20 years to build what amounts to a moon, is not so unrealistic.


The problem is that it took 20+ years for them to build the Death Star in ANH, but only 4 to build the Death Star in ROTJ, and that one was supposed to be much bigger. Plus, in a galaxy far, far away, surely they have the technology to build both Death Stars and multi-level carparks quicker than we could. LOL

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In the novel Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader Tarkin says that the first Death Star is experiencing multiple delays due to not enough workers, contractors not fullfiling their deals, supply problems, and other things. If this was the case then I am sure the first Death Star took longer than the second. Also, remember that the senate was still around when the first one was being built and the emperor was trying to hide it from them, and this hindered who he could hire for fear of the wrong people knowing and bad publicity. By the time the second one was being built the senate was disbanded and he could hire anyone he wanted and basically do whatever he wanted. The emperor was using basically the entire imperial force and power to build the second one so this also spead up the process. So I think the timeframes were realistic.


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On the audio commentaries, Lucas says stuff like "it takes ten years to get through the (original) trilogy" and "the hand anakin gets at the end of AOTC is the one cut off by Luke at the end of ROTJ." We already know/knew those things aren't true, so his comment on death star is just as suspect. The DS's backstory was complicated enough even before AOTC. The only part I know is Tarkin stealing the idea from Sienar and presenting it to Palps at some point, but then comes AOTC to show that the Geonosians (of all people) were developing it. First off, there has to be some sort of backstory to the geonosians and the death star plans. I mean, the two things just don't go together unless you really start to stretch them. Tarkin's presence at the end of ROTS acknowledges his part of the backstory once again, so this thing with the geos is kinda wierd even if you just go by the movies and ignore the EU.
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I think that the Geonosians were just storing the DS plans, since Dooku had made it his home base for the time being.

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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I think that the Geonosians were just storing the DS plans, since Dooku had made it his home base for the time being.


I think EU does state that the Geonosians did design the DS. I believe the Separatists had contracted the Geonosians to make it so that the Confederacy could blow the hell out of the Republic planets.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
In the novel Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader Tarkin says that the first Death Star is experiencing multiple delays due to not enough workers, contractors not fullfiling their deals, supply problems, and other things. If this was the case then I am sure the first Death Star took longer than the second. Also, remember that the senate was still around when the first one was being built and the emperor was trying to hide it from them, and this hindered who he could hire for fear of the wrong people knowing and bad publicity. By the time the second one was being built the senate was disbanded and he could hire anyone he wanted and basically do whatever he wanted. The emperor was using basically the entire imperial force and power to build the second one so this also spead up the process. So I think the timeframes were realistic.


If a construciton site delays the delivery of a building by 15 years, no matter how insanely complex it is, I'd bet some investors would be REALLY pissed about the whole thing. So you can image what the EMPEROR had to think about it. So I'd find that unrealistic.

Or maybe he WAS as forgiving as Vader, and doubling the efforts for the second Death Star was not really necessary...
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Perhaps the second Death Star was started a few years after the first one, and they rushed completion of it for the events in ROTJ. I would think that it would be dangerous to the Emperor to only have one Death Star. After all, IIRC, in the novel for Star Wars, the other officers of the Death Star actually start to try to get Tarkin to use the Death Star to take over the empire and blow away whatever planet the Emperor happens to be on at the time. But two Death Stars would have the effect of keeping both of them loyal.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I think that the Geonosians were just storing the DS plans, since Dooku had made it his home base for the time being.


I think EU does state that the Geonosians did design the DS. I believe the Separatists had contracted the Geonosians to make it so that the Confederacy could blow the hell out of the Republic planets.


Well, that's just retarded. Thank God I don't read that shit anymore.

In any case, I can't help but be reminded of Clerks...

"My friend here is trying to convince me that any independent contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when it was destroyed by the Rebels."

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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
Originally posted by: ferris209
Originally posted by: bad_karma24
I think that the Geonosians were just storing the DS plans, since Dooku had made it his home base for the time being.


I think EU does state that the Geonosians did design the DS. I believe the Separatists had contracted the Geonosians to make it so that the Confederacy could blow the hell out of the Republic planets.


Well, that's just retarded. Thank God I don't read that sh*t anymore.

In any case, I can't help but be reminded of Clerks...

"My friend here is trying to convince me that any independent contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when it was destroyed by the Rebels."


Heh heh, I love Clerks.