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Legend Scores, Jerry Goldsmith's and Tangerine Dream are on the way to LeoneNut,man I am excited about this project,I love this movie,so what versions are still officially available and where,I have the US Theatrical with Tangerine Dream,and the Directors with Jerry Goldsmith,both NTSC,are there any other available versions out there?dont mind if it is a different region,I have a multi-region DVD player.
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
Legend Scores, Jerry Goldsmith's and Tangerine Dream are on the way to LeoneNut,man I am excited about this project,I love this movie,so what versions are still officially available and where,I have the US Theatrical with Tangerine Dream,and the Directors with Jerry Goldsmith,both NTSC,are there any other available versions out there?dont mind if it is a different region,I have a multi-region DVD player.
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DJ


Thanks DJ

You can get the 94minute European cut in NTSC from either Japan Region 2 or Korea Region 3 (Might be a Hong Kong version as well).
Or in PAL from any European country. It's usually distributed by Fox.

Japanese DVD Here

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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
What programs are you using for this project? Are you having to deal with differing aspect ratios and/or cropping certain scenes?


DVD Decrypter for the ripping, Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD for the editing and DVD Lab Pro for the DVD authoring.

The scenes from the three different officially released cuts is all 2.35:1 and the black bars match perfectly.

For the Alternate Intro footage I will be converting 4:3 to Anamorphic 16:9 (just a case of cropping some black bars and resizing)
The Faerie Dance may get a little trickier, I will need to crop, add letterboxing and anamorphise. Some parts may have to be cropped just a little differently though.
Will be using DGIndex, an AVISynth script and TMPGEnc to do these fiddly bits.

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I actually purchased the European version of LEGEND on DVD (Region 2) from Amazon.co.uk (LEGEND DVD).

Hope that helps.

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thats the 90min version not the 94min version,click on LeoneNut's link for the 94min version,I just ordered it.
thanks for the link by the way
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
thats the 90min version not the 94min version,click on LeoneNut's link for the 94min version,I just ordered it.
thanks for the link by the way


It has PAL speedup so is the right version I believe

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why wouldnt the US get the 94min version anyway,why all the different versions all over the world?
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Restoring the Alicorn Scene


Excellent - Really well done - the music syncs up nicely. I'm REALLY looking forward to this.

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LeoneNut,
sorry if this has been mentioned,if so I missed it,but is this project going to be 4:3 letterbox,or 16:9 anamorphic?
hopefully 16:9,but if not,thats cool,I can convert it for my 62' widescreen.
also will it be DD 2.0 or DD 5.1?
thanks again,hopefully the soundtracks will get into your hands very soon.
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
LeoneNut proudly presents a preview of what is to come

Restoring the Alicorn Scene


Yes!!!!! Brilliant, it works, I always knew it would work. To finally see that scene with Goldsmith music is pure bliss.
I like where you've inserted it. I had always imagined it interspersed with the finding the ring scene, like the AC has it, but your way works better. The sun rises, summer returns, because the Alicorn is restored, not because the ring was found. I like that, gives priority to the Unicorn story, as opposed to the Lily story. As it should be.
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Originally posted by: LeoneNut The Faerie Dance may get a little trickier, I will need to crop, add letterboxing and anamorphise. Some parts may have to be cropped just a little differently though.
Will be using DGIndex, an AVISynth script and TMPGEnc to do these fiddly bits.


Those panning shots of photographs; they work quite well, maybe insert them in a 2.35 frame with black bars on the sides. Not sure how that will look. As for the featurette footage, there's a fiddle solo towards the end of the scene where that could be inserted quite nicely, as the footage is basically just Gump playing his fiddle. Have you tried cutting out the storyboards yet, and using them as a full 2.35 picture?
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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
LeoneNut,
sorry if this has been mentioned,if so I missed it,but is this project going to be 4:3 letterbox,or 16:9 anamorphic?
hopefully 16:9,but if not,thats cool,I can convert it for my 62' widescreen.
also will it be DD 2.0 or DD 5.1?
thanks again,hopefully the soundtracks will get into your hands very soon.


Yes everything will be 16:9 anamorphic, and the soundtrack will be DD 2.0 Surround. Love to do a 5.1 track but don't quite have the know how yet.

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Originally posted by: ZakDrizzt
Originally posted by: LeoneNut The Faerie Dance may get a little trickier, I will need to crop, add letterboxing and anamorphise. Some parts may have to be cropped just a little differently though.
Will be using DGIndex, an AVISynth script and TMPGEnc to do these fiddly bits.


Those panning shots of photographs; they work quite well, maybe insert them in a 2.35 frame with black bars on the sides. Not sure how that will look. As for the featurette footage, there's a fiddle solo towards the end of the scene where that could be inserted quite nicely, as the footage is basically just Gump playing his fiddle. Have you tried cutting out the storyboards yet, and using them as a full 2.35 picture?


I have actually cropped and converted most of the shots needed.
The footage from the documentary is framed in the middle of the screen, although you do see some crew and equipment, looks fine.
I basically did three sweeps of the Faerie Dance, one framed to 2.35:1 showing the centre of the footage, and then for the top and bottom. I will have a combination of all three to best show each part (The majority being the in the middle, because of the storyboards).
I think it best if the photographs are shown fully in the 2.35:1 frame, as there would be too much dead space. I will be showing as much of these photos as possible.

The Alternate Intro footage is interesting because it isn't quite 2.35:1, I may crop off a little from the top and bottom or add small black bars to the sides. I tried cleaning this up, but isn't much of an improvement unfortunately.

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Originally posted by: figmentfly
Excellent - Really well done - the music syncs up nicely. I'm REALLY looking forward to this.


Thanks

The music fits it very well doesn't it.

Originally posted by: ZakDrizzt
Yes!!!!! Brilliant, it works, I always knew it would work. To finally see that scene with Goldsmith music is pure bliss.
I like where you've inserted it. I had always imagined it interspersed with the finding the ring scene, like the AC has it, but your way works better. The sun rises, summer returns, because the Alicorn is restored, not because the ring was found. I like that, gives priority to the Unicorn story, as opposed to the Lily story. As it should be.


I keep wondering whether this was part of a complete scene originally. Wish there was some more footage after the Unicorn gets up though. Seems to be a bit brief.
There is a clue in that it is still dark when Jack surfaces with the ring, and when we see Jack with Lili again it is sunny.
It doesn't matter anyway, I couldn't mix it with finding the ring without losing footage and/or sync with the music.



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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
The Alternate Intro footage is interesting because it isn't quite 2.35:1, I may crop off a little from the top and bottom or add small black bars to the sides. I tried cleaning this up, but isn't much of an improvement unfortunately.


Last year when I was following the Thief and the Cobbler thread, I remember a guy called Faceman that did some amazing stuff for OCPmovie. He took the workprint of Thief and cleaned it up. The comparison shots were incredible. Gonna search that thread to see if I can find what software he used.

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Originally posted by: ZakDrizzt
Originally posted by: LeoneNut
The Alternate Intro footage is interesting because it isn't quite 2.35:1, I may crop off a little from the top and bottom or add small black bars to the sides. I tried cleaning this up, but isn't much of an improvement unfortunately.


Last year when I was following the Thief and the Cobbler thread, I remember a guy called Faceman that did some amazing stuff for OCPmovie. He took the workprint of Thief and cleaned it up. The comparison shots were incredible. Gonna search that thread to see if I can find what software he used.


I'm checking out some threads I remember with things like this being mentioned, there might be an AVISynth plugin or something.
Will be checking out the forums at Doom9.org as well

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ZakDrizzt - Did you find anything in the end?

I tried various things to improve the Intro footage, one especially called RemoveGrain. But my results usually resulted losing too much detail. I don't think there is much more I can do with this to be honest.
It will look out of place with the pristine footage, but will be like a workprint version anyway.

Haven't touched this for a couple of days, but am close to finishing Version 1. I need to sort out problems with the music in a few places, the extra shot of Lili and the gown merging, the shot of Jack whistling to the bird, and some more places I forget.
It's very hard to extend a scene by one or two shots, then somehow make the music flow without moving sound effects or dialogue out of place. Editing the video has been so much easier.

Three changes I have made are open for discussion:
1) The shot of Lili kissing Jack "Are you afraid to kiss me?" uses the AC version which is slightly longer and shot with the camera a little further away. I can see no difference between this and the DC version as Jack doesn't respond to Lili in exactly the same way.
The reason for the change is this shot follows on from Lili bending down and saying "I'm sorry" much better.

2) Blunder's line "Adios Amigos" has been removed and an extended scream inserted. It was starting to irritate me as much as it does for other people

3) There is an odd flip dissolve between Lili and the Unicorn being captured, and Jack, Gump & Screwball finding Brown Tom unconscious. Sean pointed this out to me, and I agree with him that it seems out of place. This has been replaced with a more normal fade out/fade in to denote passing time.

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Originally posted by: LeoneNut
ZakDrizzt - Did you find anything in the end?

No, nothing. Spent ages going through that Thief & Cobbler thread. (It's massive, biggest thread in this section) Found the posts of Faceman, but looks like he just did some tests for OCPmovie, then disappeared, just stopped posting. Nothing about what software he used.

Originally posted by: LeoneNut
I tried various things to improve the Intro footage, one especially called RemoveGrain. But my results usually resulted losing too much detail. I don't think there is much more I can do with this to be honest.
It will look out of place with the pristine footage, but will be like a workprint version anyway.

Version 2 was always gonna be a workprint because of the state of the Faerie dance, so it's cool. Did you do those re-edits we discussed to get the titles back in?

Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Haven't touched this for a couple of days, but am close to finishing Version 1. I need to sort out problems with the music in a few places, the extra shot of Lili and the gown merging, the shot of Jack whistling to the bird, and some more places I forget.
It's very hard to extend a scene by one or two shots, then somehow make the music flow without moving sound effects or dialogue out of place. Editing the video has been so much easier.


That's the reason I didn't attempt this myself. I might have battled my way through the video, but the audio? No chance!

Originally posted by: LeoneNut
Three changes I have made are open for discussion:
1) The shot of Lili kissing Jack "Are you afraid to kiss me?" uses the AC version which is slightly longer and shot with the camera a little further away. I can see no difference between this and the DC version as Jack doesn't respond to Lili in exactly the same way.
The reason for the change is this shot follows on from Lili bending down and saying "I'm sorry" much better.

2) Blunder's line "Adios Amigos" has been removed and an extended scream inserted. It was starting to irritate me as much as it does for other people

3) There is an odd flip dissolve between Lili and the Unicorn being captured, and Jack, Gump & Screwball finding Brown Tom unconscious. Sean pointed this out to me, and I agree with him that it seems out of place. This has been replaced with a more normal fade out/fade in to denote passing time.


1) Even in the AC, there seems to be a distracting jump cut in that scene. Use whatever makes the scene flow better. I know you're reluctant to cut out anything from the DC, but in this case it's just a different camera angle, the content is still there.

[Edit] I went and had a look at this scene. What a mess those guys did with the AC. You can tell they had lost control and were just snipping haphazardly as they went. The extra footage cuts off so abruptly when Lilly says 'Jack, I'm sorry' and this causes her lips to be out of sync when she says 'Are you afraid to kiss me?'. The DC works much better, but for the missing footage. I'm not sure what to do here. I think I would add the extra footage but keep the DC 'Are you afraid to kiss me". It's a difficult one; the only other option is not using the extra footage, but I kinda like her 'Jack, I'm sorry'.

2) Yes!!! Hate that line, good call.

3) Good idea, that weird Star Wars dissolve stuck out like a sore thumb.


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Originally posted by: ZakDrizzt
[Edit] I went and had a look at this scene. What a mess those guys did with the AC. You can tell they had lost control and were just snipping haphazardly as they went. The extra footage cuts off so abruptly when Lilly says 'Jack, I'm sorry' and this causes her lips to be out of sync when she says 'Are you afraid to kiss me?'. The DC works much better, but for the missing footage. I'm not sure what to do here. I think I would add the extra footage but keep the DC 'Are you afraid to kiss me". It's a difficult one; the only other option is not using the extra footage, but I kinda like her 'Jack, I'm sorry'.


I'm afraid there is still a sync issue with both lines, not easy to fix for the second line as Goldsmith's music starts up at this point. Actually I'm not quite convinced she says "Jack I'm sorry" looking at her lips. You may be right and they cut her speaking, and moved the audio.
I have an idea for making the scene flow a bit better, I could move a fairly redundant extra shot of gathering clouds and move it between those shots, and see how that works. Then have the audio match up better for the line, going into the gathering clouds footage.

Either way I want to keep the extra footage

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Hi LeoneNut,
do you know of any other place to order that version of Legend you gave me the link for above,cdjapan emailed me and said it is out of print and unattainable,DAMN.
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Dark Jedi,

What method do you use to convert 4:3 to 16:9? Is it the same used in ADigitalMan's guide?

Does anyone here know an alternative to that? Thanks!

Originally posted by: dark_jedi
LeoneNut,
sorry if this has been mentioned,if so I missed it,but is this project going to be 4:3 letterbox,or 16:9 anamorphic?
hopefully 16:9,but if not,thats cool,I can convert it for my 62' widescreen.
also will it be DD 2.0 or DD 5.1?
thanks again,hopefully the soundtracks will get into your hands very soon.
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if I am working with avi files or any of my captured stuff from LD or something like that,I use Avisynth,but if it is an already completed DVD,I use DVD rebuilder Pro,with Avisynth,that way I dont change what is already done by the authorer.