Originally posted by: C3PX
I didn't intend for this to be Gomer bashing. I think this thread has taken on an interesting discussion and it would be ashame to delude that with gomer bashing. If Gomer wants to post and debate, he of course is free to do so. If he wants to bring up a topic to debate he may. Right now I think the current topic in discussion is rather interesting and wouldn't mind hearing what others have to say.
To address ferris' addressing of my question,
I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that McVeigh even condoned his own death. I don't remember his exact words though. Do you think his time as a soilder had anything to do with his snapping? I have heard people defend him with this argument, that it was the governments fault he learned to kill and become comfortable with it. This argument has some pretty obvious faults to it, not even including the fact that not every soldier who has been trained to kill goes around killing people.
I suppose if Oklahoma did not still support the death penalty, or if this happened in a state that did not, he would still be eating stakes and enjoying a heated cell.
I don't see how people can argue that somebody like McVeigh deserves a second chance. I don't care how uncivilized we are as a society, it just doesn't make since to save somebody like that in hopes that they may one day become a better person. In cases of mass murder with undisputed proof, I think it is silly to even argue on their behalf.
You mentioned that if you so much as misspell of word, the lawyer are all over you. This is really ashamed. I know a lot of our legal crap in America really gets in the way. I know a guy who is a police officer. About two years ago an officer from his precinct was driving with his sirens on speeding toward a reported rape, and a car full of teenage girls pulled out in front of him and they crashed. Fortunately nobody was hurt badly, and the rape turned out to be a false report. The girls should have gotten in trouble for not yeilding to an emergency vehicle, but instead they sued the police. Last time I talked to my friend they were still in the middle of sorting this thing out over a year after it happened. I have known this guy for years, and usually he is a fairly up beat guy, but for the last to years he has seemed like he has been wound to the point of snapping. They have been under constant flames from everyone for what happened, and of course the local media sided with the girls.
I didn't intend for this to be Gomer bashing. I think this thread has taken on an interesting discussion and it would be ashame to delude that with gomer bashing. If Gomer wants to post and debate, he of course is free to do so. If he wants to bring up a topic to debate he may. Right now I think the current topic in discussion is rather interesting and wouldn't mind hearing what others have to say.
To address ferris' addressing of my question,
I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that McVeigh even condoned his own death. I don't remember his exact words though. Do you think his time as a soilder had anything to do with his snapping? I have heard people defend him with this argument, that it was the governments fault he learned to kill and become comfortable with it. This argument has some pretty obvious faults to it, not even including the fact that not every soldier who has been trained to kill goes around killing people.
I suppose if Oklahoma did not still support the death penalty, or if this happened in a state that did not, he would still be eating stakes and enjoying a heated cell.
I don't see how people can argue that somebody like McVeigh deserves a second chance. I don't care how uncivilized we are as a society, it just doesn't make since to save somebody like that in hopes that they may one day become a better person. In cases of mass murder with undisputed proof, I think it is silly to even argue on their behalf.
You mentioned that if you so much as misspell of word, the lawyer are all over you. This is really ashamed. I know a lot of our legal crap in America really gets in the way. I know a guy who is a police officer. About two years ago an officer from his precinct was driving with his sirens on speeding toward a reported rape, and a car full of teenage girls pulled out in front of him and they crashed. Fortunately nobody was hurt badly, and the rape turned out to be a false report. The girls should have gotten in trouble for not yeilding to an emergency vehicle, but instead they sued the police. Last time I talked to my friend they were still in the middle of sorting this thing out over a year after it happened. I have known this guy for years, and usually he is a fairly up beat guy, but for the last to years he has seemed like he has been wound to the point of snapping. They have been under constant flames from everyone for what happened, and of course the local media sided with the girls.
As far as McViegh, yes the military teaches people to kill those who threaten the safety and security of America not American children and Americans who pose no threat. This is bad resoning and logic to me. yes, they are trained to kill, but they are also trained that they must kill for a reason. Granted when they have millions of soldiers, you will train a few bad eggs, that is a risk, but the drill Sergeants and other recruits should pick up on any psychotic behavior and report it to weed them out.
As far as your friend, I can relate. Civilians almost always will never understand that Cops are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, if you drive too slow someone could get hurt, if you drive too fast someone might get hurt. Just as you wrote above, it is so hard to be a cop and not get bitter because you feel like all of your work is for nothing. You go to work and don't get paid that much, granted I make a living, but is that money worth the fact that my wife could lose a husband? I've already buried a fellow officer and friend who had a pregnant wife. Then I go back to work and have to get my butt reamed every other day because some citizen saw me go by his house and he thought I was driving too fast or I may have used a cuss word on a punk 16 kid who had never had his ass whipped by his passive parents. Guys, I'm so sorry, but it is just so hard not to get burned out. It just gets so frustrating because when I first put that badge on, I had all the typical rookie ideas that I was gonna save the world. Years later I find, I can't even make a dent due to politics, legal loopholes, biased media reports who seem to all hate cops, irate citizens who think we are robots and not people, administrators who are scared of lawsuits and worried about their own political standings and retirements. But regardless of all that, I know I'll get up tonight at 8 p.m., take a shower, put the vest, badge and gun on and go do it again. Why? because even though I feel that all my work is worthless, I know that occasionally I'll save that child from pervert, I'll save that family of four from being killed by a guy going 90 mph, I will prevent somebody's house from being burglarized after I stop and arrest the criminal for a minor warrant. Although i may sound bitter as times guys, my heart is still in it, and I don't think I'll do anything else.