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Gomer, I'm glad you realize you don't have the answers. I hope you take a look at some of the logic here and not base everything on "feelings." Feelings are good, but some good ol' fashion common sense and logic is good, too.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
C3PX, I appreciate your response quite a bit, I am also glad things aren't up to me. I can screw up a microwave dinner on a good day.
I get the point about them being taught to hate us, and that is certainly not something one can easily stand by and allow.
I also agree about the benefit of a Saddam-free Iraq.
I just wonder if perhaps we are also being taught to hate them.
But really, as I said. I have no answers, and only question these things to hear your explainations.
Well especially the ones that remain civil.
C3PX, I appreciate your response quite a bit, I am also glad things aren't up to me. I can screw up a microwave dinner on a good day.
I get the point about them being taught to hate us, and that is certainly not something one can easily stand by and allow.
I also agree about the benefit of a Saddam-free Iraq.
I just wonder if perhaps we are also being taught to hate them.
But really, as I said. I have no answers, and only question these things to hear your explainations.
Well especially the ones that remain civil.
Taught to hate them. Gomer, that was a good post. You might not be too far from the truth there. It is very tragic if this is the case. And I know it is in some cases. I have seen it first hand and it is really unfortunate. I worked with a group of Afghanis for a few weeks back in 2004. Even then, some of the Americans would make jokes about getting blown up, or hoping they didn't crash a plane into our building if they got angry. These kinds of things aren't helpful to anybody. Not all middle easterns are terrorists or even Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists. They really need to work that one out. Treating all these people with hostility is not a good way to go about it. Fortunately it is not as embarrassingly bad as the treatment of Japanese after Pearl. I hope America does not breed hate for them as they have for us. Hopefully those idiots I worked with who made the stupid jokes were of a small minority of idiots. But you know what, I don't think it is, I think it is a danger and a possibility, but I don't thing it is quite as bad as it might feel. Even though we are at war with Iraq, I do not think it makes American hate Iraqis. I think Americans were generally pleased with the outcome of the elections in Iraq. That shows we have great interest in their success, if we hated them this would not be so. We hate terrorism, and we hate oppressive regimes. But I don't think we hate those who are victims of the two.
When we fought the Japanese they would crash their planes right into our ships. Why would they do this? Because they were taught there was an afterlife and they pleased their god by dying for him. The Muslims are in this same category, they KNOW they will get such a great reward if they day in the name of Allah. It is very unfortunate that these people are conditioned this way. The funny thing is that nobody would have defended the Japanese Emperor worship as a peaceful religion of integrity as they claim Islam to be. This is something to think about. Anyway, a foe of this sort is a huge threat to everybody. Because their intent is to destroy us, how can we make them change their mind? If you don't believe this is the case, then you might want to study Islam a little more and learn about what it teaches. As long as America is standing Muhammad isn't coming back. As long as Islam is not a world religion, Muhammad isn't coming back. They want him to return. That is their goal. If this comes as a shock to anybody, I suggest you study Islam. It might open your eyes. How can we make them change their minds? In Japan we make the emperor announce that he was not a god, that he was merely a man. That worked. But we can't do that this time. No matter what we do, no matter how many we kill it is going to be the same thing over and over. As long as there are people teaching Islam, there is always going to be this threat. And I don't see this ending in any of our lifetimes. Look at Judaism, it does not have these teachings. It doesn't teach them to conquer the world and force people to call on the name of Allah. Look at Christianity, the same thing, it doesn't tell you to force people to become Christians (if anyone brings up the crusades I am going to smack them, the crusades have nothing to do with Biblical Christian doctrine and everything to do with the need to get rid of a bunch of idle knights sitting around Europe like time bombs. They were sent on the Muslims to make them an 'SEP'. Somebody Else's Problem). Does anybody remember the Ottoman Empire? It ended less than 100 before any of us were born. That is interesting to think about. It seems like such an old world thing, yet it existed up until our nineteen hundreds. If they still had the power, it would still exist. If they ever get the chance, they will start this again. There is no, "Hitler only cared about Europe" nonsense here (Sorry Arnie, not meaning to pick on you) they want the world. But they have been reduced to a very small power. Very small, but very determined and thanks to our purchasing of oil, very rich. Like a cobra that has been bound they can't strike, but they can still spit venom in our eyes. They have been reduced from the conquests of old to terrorism. If you think that all they want to do is scare us, you are wrong. If they could get their hands on nuclear weapons, you can be sure they would launch them in a heartbeat. I have a feeling this is going to be a very unpopular post.
"Well especially the ones that remain civil."
Sorry when we don't. Without you this would not be much of a conversation. I can see you like to press buttons, so I guess you should expect what you get. But I don't think we are doing anybody any good when we fire insults at one another. I think it is best we all remain as civilized as possible and respect one another's opinions. I think your biggest problem right no Gomer, is that a lot of people are posting things they feel are pretty good points you just ignore them and sometimes turn around and ask the same question they just answered. Perhaps a "that is an interesting post" or a "I'll think about that" or "I see what you are saying, but I disagree because..." from time to time might earn you some more respect. At least make them feel that you are taking them seriously.
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