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I heard hes gonna bring it out ON HD DVD ?? Does anyone know when the box set is comming out ? which month ?
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Originally posted by: Mike O
As for thought of it happening after Lucas passes away? Well, if that's the case, then I'd rather not get them. I mean seriously, I'd give almost anything in the world for these DVDs, but does a human being have to die just for me to get some discs? No thanks.


I don't think anybody here exactly wants Lucas dead, I think what is implied is that it seems Lucas will have to pass away before we, the fans, get what we want because he stonewalling the whole issue. It is a natural part of life to die.

So long as Lucas isn't taken out by some crazy Star Wars geek with a sniper rifle, I consider it no big deal. If Lucas passes away in his million dollar mansion, on his thousand dollar bed, with a personal doctor seeing to him, and it's simply old age at 93 years, then why should I feel bad if I only want to be able to watch the OOT in HD completely restored a couple years later.
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As for thought of it happening after Lucas passes away? Well, if that's the case, then I'd rather not get them. I mean seriously, I'd give almost anything in the world for these DVDs, but does a human being have to die just for me to get some discs? No thanks.


Whoa there dude!!! I didn't say I wanted Lucas to pass away. I don't want anyone to die just to give me some movies I love. That's fricking insane. I'm just saying that once Lucas passes on, then he won't be there to stop someone for putting it out and we'll finally get the OOT remastered.

I'm not wishing death on the man nor am I praying for his natural demise...I'm just saying that that's probably the circumstances it will take for us to get what we want. I wish the man long life actually. He's brought all of us into a larger world and our lives are bigger than any movie. We just disagree with how he's handling things lately.

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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine
Let us say that the 2006 edition is a one on the scale of one to ten of DVD quality.


Compared to what?

I'd call that one hell of a broken scale, personally. Okay, yes, the 2006 DVDs weren't perfect, but their imperfections are horribly exaggerated.

Thinking about it, I'd have to say the worst DVDs I ever saw were from a cheapo boxed set of Jackie Chan films--I forget the titles, except that one of the movies was called "Fantasy Mission Force"--in which... the video quality was so bad that it looked like it was recorded with a camcorder in the 1970s (which it probably was), and obviously the source for the video was a VHS tape, because the DVD actually had tracking problems. Yes, tracking problems.

Just tell me the 2006 OOT DVDs were worse than that. Go on, tell me.

Personally, I think the biggest problem with the 2006 DVDs was their price... but then, I hate it when a DVD costs more then $10, so what do I know?

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their imperfections are horribly exaggerated.


Disagree totally. This isn't some cheapo set of Jackie Chan movies that no one ever heard of. This is Star Wars, one of the biggest box office smashes of all time and a pop culture icon. For it to be released in anything but pristine quality is inexcusable. The LEs were nowhere near pristine quality and it is apparent as all hell with all the grain. The biggest thing though is the anamorphic issue which in today's age is insulting. These movies are unwatchable on a widescreen TV which is becoming the PREVALENT form of presentation. These versions are terrible in both quality and presentation. They are unwatchable on modern technology. That is not exaggerated. That is fact, sir.

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Originally posted by: JamesEightBitStar

I'd call that one hell of a broken scale, personally. Okay, yes, the 2006 DVDs weren't perfect, but their imperfections are horribly exaggerated.
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I was one of the few here in May after the non-anamorphic announcement who was telling people to buy the set in September, as I have loads of non-anamorphic DVD's in my collection, and alot of them aren't that bad. I have The Abyss, Romancing the Stone, Home Alone, Wargames, Hoosiers, Crimson Tide, and if the OOT was on par with any of these discs, I would have been happy.

When I bought them Sept. 12th, I was shocked at how fuckin bad they were, I knew I was taken the second I saw all that grain on Tatooine and Hoth. Lucasfilm did nothing to these films, and on an 50" HD TV, they look like shit. If you are watching them on a 32" 4x3 TV, they won't be that bad because it is very hard to tell great quality on sets that aren't big screen.

I feel like I got totally taken on this set, and I fully regret buying now as I have gone back to putting up with the SE, cause they are really great quality, and I just wince at the few scenes I totally hate: Greedo shooting, Jedi Rocks, Hayden in ROTJ, etc. I put The Abyss in the other day and get mad cause if the OOT looked like that, I would be happy and probably wouldn't even give a shit about a future release of the OOT. I bought The Abyss in 2000, and have never clamored for an Anamorphic transfer, but I would buy it if it came out.

Sorry dude, I apologize to anyone who I tried to tell to buy the OOT all summer, as I kept telling them non-anamorphic isn't as bad as you think. This whole set is a piece of shit, and the fact that I have reverted back to watching Jedi Rocks should tell anyone how shitty this quality must look on a 16 x 9 TV set.

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I just wanted to know do you guys think the PT fans will buy the big box set ?? I mean what if they dont like the OT ? Why buy something you dont like ?

If everyone likes the whole saga then the box will sell !!!
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Hell, I'm still deciding between the 3 or 4 dvd SE set or the one that came out last yr so I can least have the OT on dvd (have it on vhs, not including the reinventing the wheel preservation set).
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Yeah, that's if any of us in the States can find the tin again...

Hell this point I'll buy the 2006 discs and if the GOUT's as bad as people say I'll replace them with one my fan preservation sets and keep the GOUT separate for the time being. *shrug
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Its the same thing only in a tin the anamorpic ones !!
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The only way the box set will sell is if it has a ton of bonus material or the OOT restored. More tweaks to the movies will not sell. Besides, people could just wait to buy the discs seperately used on Amazon like you can get the 2004 bonus disc now. That's what everyone should do to get all those deleted OT scenes and other great stuff without the movies they don't want. I still would like to see honest documentaries on the prequels too where the people really reflect on those films. The current interviews are pretty much fluff promotional material.

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I don't know that anyone from Lucasfilm will ever honestly discuss the prequels. Either that, or they've been brainwashed, or have lackluster taste. That's their business tho, I guess.

It would be nice to see really good docs tho. It's just the probability of that happening seems hard to nail.
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That's what I've found interesting ever since talk started of a 30th anniversary "saga" boxset. The OT will be shat upon that much more by being lumped into Lucas's chronological place for them after the prequels. Granted, this has already happenned to an extent with the '04 boxse which was designed more or less with the same packaging design as the prequels, but even then there was at least a classic design motif for the actual box, not to mention the docs and commentaries. That's what's so wierd about the '04 set and the SE in general. It's always had this strange feeling of honoring or looking back to the original films without actually presenting them, giving us the latest revision instead. I thought to myself the other day that if we actually do get our wish and the OOT is remastered, film professors and students alike will find the revision and preservation on Lucas and the fans' parts, respectively, to be a worthy and interesting subject to discuss.

In a perfect world, the prequels would still not be included in this '07 boxset and it would include only the remastered OOT in anamorphic video and 5.1 audio. What WB did with the Batman movies in their latest release I find interesting. The '89-'97 movies were given new transfers and made available for sale both individually and in a boxset. Batman Begins was not included and was sold seperately even though it was being released on dvd at about the same time. The Superman Boxsets are a whole nother story. There was the Christopher Reeve collection that had the four movies that were also available individually (ala the Batman boxset), and there was also the "Ultimate" boxset that had all of that plus Superman II: Donner Cut, Superman Returns and more. Even then, the Superman Ultimate set is a different story than what the '07 Star Wars set will probably turn out to be. Batman Begins was omitted from any larger collection because it's intented as a reboot whereas Superman Returns is a sequel and very much meant to be grouped with the other Superman movies and therefore included in the boxset along with the others. But ever since the thought of a "saga" boxset entered my mind I just couldn't see it in an non-wierd way. The "saga order" would be the only way to watch it, and I suppose by the time it's released Lucas won't care at all about the movies' original context and it'll simply be The Star Wars Saga (2007) and not The Phantom Menace ('99/'01), Attack of the Clones ('02), Revenge of the Sith ('05) etc.

An optimistic view is that the 9/12 release really was a "testing the waters" and Lucasfilm will have the remastered OOT all ready to go this year now that they know people want it. Maybe LFL really is that fucking clueless and needed dollar sign proof, but I find it hard to believe. They probably just want us to hate them that badly. What would be the respectable thing to do? Give the OOT Criterion-level treatment with extras related to those films and not the prequels or anything else. Any further speculation from me is pointless until some sort of ot,fficial announcement is made.
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Except they seem to not know how to do that anymore. I have no faith left in LFL, and believe a bunch of bozos work there. Or Lucas makes them make shit or something. The cover art for all the releases after 1992 have been botched and look awful. You have to rely upon fans to make good covers. And that's not even getting into the actual content, which is what is really the important thing. Oh well, so be it. They'll do what they want to do. They've proven that now beyond a shadow of a doubt. They don't listen to what the market asks for. That's poor business.
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I will buy it if the quality is exceptional, if for Star Wars there are 3 audio options (mono, 35 and 70 mm mixes), for Empire 2 audio options and if all the deleted scenes are included in excellent quality as bonus material.
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I still think we will see one of three things this year:

1. The OUT completely restored in a boxed set with all 6 films and extras, etc. (less likely IMO).
2. The OUT completely restored in a boxed set all by itself with the SEs, extras, etc.(more likely IMO).
3. The same OUT as the 09/12 release (.01% chance IMO).

I am saying #2 is the most likely scenario because A) Lucas will make way more $ breaking things down into two separate sets and B) he will appeal to both the PT, OUT, SE AND PT/SE/OUT markets. He has slammed the fans for decades now and he is smart enough to realize that the well has run pretty dry; to get people to buy all of these movies again, he will need to come up with something quite spectacular.
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Another thought just came to mind. I'm assuming the 9/12 release was a fresh new pressing of the '04 discs, yes? The only "new" thing was the bonus OUT discs, yes? Lucas spent no money at all on this dvd production besides simply stamping out the discs, plastic cases and paper inserts. He did spend quite a bit, it would seem, on advertising. Perhaps he really just wanted to make some more money for 2006 that badly. The claim was that it was for people who didn't care which version they watched. If that's true then why is the original presented in inferior quality? 75,000 people can't be wrong. I'm glad that apparently many of you voted with your wallets. But sorry, I already have the '04 discs and I'm not paying $60 for non-anamorphic transfers of the originals. It's actually quite touching to know that people care about the originals enough to lay down money for it, even though it's bonus content to the '04 versions and it won't look good on widescreen displays.

I recall hearing that Lucas seemed quite annoyed in some interview (mtv I think) that many, many people don't like the SE and prefer the originals. My response to him would have been "Well, gee, you think people are going to like it when you screw around with a classic movie that they love?!" Now, I come back to my point about the 75,000 sigs. Let's face it, the 9/12 release is not what those sigs were asking for. Even LFL, at the end of the day, sold it as "the Star Wars films available individually for the first time." It was to get another buck out of us, the only difference is that he knew beyond a shadow of doubt that there was a huge demand for the original versions, and he dumped an age old transfer on us just so he wouldn't have to spend any money because he knew we'd buy it anyway. That's called extortion.

Nevertheless, if there are only 75,000 of us that want the remastered OOT that badly, perhaps Lucas really is saving it for the super expensive boxset so that he could make money off the 9/12 release and make even more from the comparitively handfull of people who will buy the expensive 30th anniversary set.

Anyone know how many actual copies the 9/12 releases have sold? Sorry to drag this on, but I really hope Lucas actually meant something by that "it'll all come out in the end" statement. If he doesn't get the picture in time for the next dvd release, he'll loose my money.
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Originally posted by: ESHBG
I still think we will see one of three things this year:

1. The OUT completely restored in a boxed set with all 6 films and extras, etc. (less likely IMO).
2. The OUT completely restored in a boxed set all by itself with the SEs, extras, etc.(more likely IMO).
3. The same OUT as the 09/12 release (.01% chance IMO).

I am saying #2 is the most likely scenario because A) Lucas will make way more $ breaking things down into two separate sets and B) he will appeal to both the PT, OUT, SE AND PT/SE/OUT markets. He has slammed the fans for decades now and he is smart enough to realize that the well has run pretty dry; to get people to buy all of these movies again, he will need to come up with something quite spectacular.

I think that it's case of having something to sell. He's sold the SEs in as many versions as he can. Same with the PT. Now for the OOT. That, along with many previously detailed bits of info, is why it would make sense for the OOT to be restored next year. But I don't want to get my hopes up, because Lucas is so illogical that nothing makes much sense anymore.


Anyone know how many actual copies the 9/12 releases have sold? Sorry to drag this on, but I really hope Lucas actually meant something by that "it'll all come out in the end" statement. If he doesn't get the picture in time for the next dvd release, he'll loose my money.


I keep hoping that that statement meant something, and it would make sense, but LFL don't do logical things like that.

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I would buy a 30th anniversary boxset if it had the OUT, fully restored. Unfortunately, I think they won't release it again, or just re-release the recent 'bonus material' release for the OUT. In a perfect world, we'd also get the mono mix for Star Wars, and the 70mm and 35 mm versions of ESB. And throw in the deleted scenes. But that is probably asking too much.
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I would buy the OOT if it was a new transfer from film stock, in good detail quality, with good colours, in anamorphic widescreen PAL or 1080p/24 with Swedish subtitles and the 35 mm stereo soundtrack.

I would probably also buy a de-SE'd version like ocpmovie's Classic Edition if it was at least just as good. Heck, I would buy it if LFL released the Classic Edition as their own, as long as ocpmovie got paid for it.
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At the very least the OT better be the correct colors. It's pathetic they couldn't at least get the SE restoration right. By the way, you know you can't get 1080 on regular dvd, right? That's what the new hi-def formats are for. And if there are Swedish subtitles, I just hope they don't turn into a shameless plug for vacationing in the country or the moose...

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I won't buy it. I already got the recent release of the OOT. That's enough for me.
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Well Well---- I Like many others, something this time around (2007) really needs to be changed or redone, or corrected, or what ever--for anyone to buy it. We have gone through 2 years of miserable re-issues/repackagings---and its sickening.
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your gonna get more changes thats for sure
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