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Global Warming — Page 12
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Inferno wasn't in the bible. I was talking about Dante's Inferno.
Inferno wasn't in the bible. I was talking about Dante's Inferno.
Though with the way some people refer to the nine circles of hell, you'd think Jesus himself wrote the Inferno; as in the way some elevate it to the same level as scripture when it's really just an elaborate Bible fanfiction. (Not knocking it as a work of literature, just wonder how this came to be.)
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And WESHALLPRESERVE and Nanner Split are Roman Catholic.
Which is why your question made me think you were being sarcastic.
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My thoughts: It's extremely pathetic that global warming is even considered a "controversial issue" by the general public, even when the long-term habitability of our planet is both a moral and ethical issue, and the evidence is so extremely clear that we are having a deleterious impact on the global environment that sustains us all. Our global civilzation has been pumping obscence amounts CO2 into the atmosphere since the first coal was burned, into an atmosphere thinner than a layer of paint on a ten meter by ten meter wall. The planet cannot naturally balance the levels in the atmosphere to their "safe" range of normal greenhouse effect; the kind that traps just enough solar energy and prevents our planet from freezing. Not a single atmospheric scientist or scientific publication doubts the existence of advanced global warming because of human factors (just as no biologists doubt the validity of evolution). If the public were simply less ignorant of the science and evidence for the issue in question, there would be absolutely no debate on whether global warming was taking place. Why is the public being kept ignorant or being sent mixed messages about global warming? Power, money, and the fear of disquieting facts. Let's not make the ultimate mistake and give the burden to our children of coping with the devastating and long-term ramifications of our behaviors when we neglected to act during a time when catastrophe was preventable.
My take on the ethical aspect: you cannot plan for a sustainable future when you have people in power (like Bush) who believe that the world is doomed for a bible-style apocalypse where a sky-god will come down and save us from ourselves at the darkest hour. Humans are alone, and it is we that are accountable for our own actions, something that many religious persons like to pretend isn't true. It's up to us; we have the ultimate power to prosper as a species or let our global civilization fail.
If we don't act drastically now, it will be too late. A broad understanding and recognition of global warming has to happen first. And it has taken some important steps toward global acceptance. Except, however, in the U.S., where these steps are far to small and far too slow to work toward an ultimate solution.
As Carl Sagan said, "Anything else you're interested in is not going to happen if you can't breathe the air and drink the water. Do not sit this one out. Do something."
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There were periods of stability and periodes of rapid change. Interglacial climates are more stable. Rapid climate changes are accompanied by transitions between glacial and interglacial periods. We are already in an interglacial climate so it's very strange the temperatur rises rather quick, it is warm already. Altough abrupt climate changes have occured before, human civilization arose during a period of relative climate stability.
Also take a look at this picture of the last 400.000 years. More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere means a higher temperature.
Red=CO2
Blue=Temp
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
What is the source of that graph Arnie, and which is red and which is blue, between CO2 and Temp respectively. Also, is that red graph really syaing we are off of the charts now? Or is it just a grapics error.
What is the source of that graph Arnie, and which is red and which is blue, between CO2 and Temp respectively. Also, is that red graph really syaing we are off of the charts now? Or is it just a grapics error.
Whoops I forgot to add what is what. Yes, it's off the chart, there hasn't been this much CO2 in the atmosphere in a very long time. It's from an article of A. V. Fedorov et al. Science 312, 1485 (2006).
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
I also think it is better to be safe than sorry.
I also think it is better to be safe than sorry.
My thoughts exactly!
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Whoops I forgot to add what is what. Yes, it's off the chart, there hasn't been this much CO2 in the atmosphere in a very long time. It's from an article of A. V. Fedorov et al. Science 312, 1485 (2006).
Originally posted by: ferris209
What is the source of that graph Arnie, and which is red and which is blue, between CO2 and Temp respectively. Also, is that red graph really syaing we are off of the charts now? Or is it just a grapics error.
What is the source of that graph Arnie, and which is red and which is blue, between CO2 and Temp respectively. Also, is that red graph really syaing we are off of the charts now? Or is it just a grapics error.
Whoops I forgot to add what is what. Yes, it's off the chart, there hasn't been this much CO2 in the atmosphere in a very long time. It's from an article of A. V. Fedorov et al. Science 312, 1485 (2006).
Awsome, I love a good proven argument. But I still do not think that the earth is warming at an "alarming rate" although I will agree that our CO2 levels may need to be worked on. But I just cannot help but believe that mother earth is pretty damn resiliant. But seriously, you have to admit, the whole caw farting thing that they were pointing out a couple years back was just way out there. And I do think that America is doing several things to improve the Environmental issues, harsher smog requirments, better working engines that create less pollutants. Granted we may need to make some changes, but why can we not make those changes slowly and progressively as technology permits. Just to suddenly go green and force everybody to drive around in electric cars and plug their cows butts would be crazy.
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About the whole Global Warming: I could not care less. I have no children and no signs (let alone intention) to be having any. Most of the effects of this, some that are already being felt now and are clearly not something that "just happens every thousands of years", will have a deep, deep impact in our lifes (making them quite "unlivable") when I'm already dead - and I'm considering that I won't live too much. I've seen some people on this thread say that they won't care because they won't be alive, that's pretty much the spirit. Everything that has a slightly protective agenda is labeled "liberal commie crap" by those who have brainwashed you (corporations, TV, close community) into beliving this is bad for your way of life and your "economy". If right-wing conservatives are wrong, we'll all be dead anyway (and those who for some reason remain will blame "teh evil terrorists").
It'll only take some changes in our way of doing things to correct this problem, and it won't mean we will be living in a communist freedomless facism or be controlled by the evil terrorists. So WHY do you keep denying the fact that we are killing our planet? You really care about major corporation's profit that much???
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I was not being sarcastic, I just thought the whole argument on how the Bible actually approves killing to be somewhat of a atheistic argument to disprove the book and show some contradiction. Or maybe it's just an hypocritical way to remain religious and do nothing of what the religion commands.
I was not being sarcastic, I just thought the whole argument on how the Bible actually approves killing to be somewhat of a atheistic argument to disprove the book and show some contradiction. Or maybe it's just an hypocritical way to remain religious and do nothing of what the religion commands.
Huh!!! Did you not read any of my previous quotes. It clearly explains that God is supportive of the Death Penalty, Self-Defense, and wars which are fought for good reason. This is not hypocritical or atheist to believe by any means.
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Originally posted by: skye_solo
Yes, it would be nice to be able to breathe unincumbered. I'm American. I supported the Kyoto treaty...but my government doesn't give a flying fuck. The neo-cons are also currently trying to send 25k more troops into Iraq. We need another 60s youth culture uprising again. It's freaking overdue.
Yes, it would be nice to be able to breathe unincumbered. I'm American. I supported the Kyoto treaty...but my government doesn't give a flying fuck. The neo-cons are also currently trying to send 25k more troops into Iraq. We need another 60s youth culture uprising again. It's freaking overdue.
Are you insane? You want every other person smoking pot fucking everywhere? The VERY LAST THING we need is a fucking 60's culture my good man. Neo-cons is such a stupid term btw, and What we DO NEED is another 25,000 troops in Iraq.
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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Are you insane? You want every other person smoking pot fucking everywhere? The VERY LAST THING we need is a fucking 60's culture my good man. Neo-cons is such a stupid term btw, and What we DO NEED is another 25,000 troops in Iraq.
Originally posted by: skye_solo
Yes, it would be nice to be able to breathe unincumbered. I'm American. I supported the Kyoto treaty...but my government doesn't give a flying fuck. The neo-cons are also currently trying to send 25k more troops into Iraq. We need another 60s youth culture uprising again. It's freaking overdue.
Yes, it would be nice to be able to breathe unincumbered. I'm American. I supported the Kyoto treaty...but my government doesn't give a flying fuck. The neo-cons are also currently trying to send 25k more troops into Iraq. We need another 60s youth culture uprising again. It's freaking overdue.
Are you insane? You want every other person smoking pot fucking everywhere? The VERY LAST THING we need is a fucking 60's culture my good man. Neo-cons is such a stupid term btw, and What we DO NEED is another 25,000 troops in Iraq.
I think you need a LOT more troops to regain control.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.