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I have probably said this before, but anyway:

The first disc release I would like to see made from the HD broadcasts are 16:9 fullscreen versions on DVD. By that I mean that the films will fill the entire screen on a 16:9 TV without any black bars.
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So... you want to edit the movie by cropping it. Why?
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Sky version now going up in abhdtv...
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Ok, so reading over at the HD Forums, it appears that this capture isn't quite as good as the german version posted earlier.

- Some Macroblocking
- Suppression of Grain

So it appears the best version would be the German Video, intercut with the SkyHD broadcast for any onscreen text, converted to 23.98fps and synced to a tweaked version of the 2006 5.1 audio?

Does anyone know where the German caps are still available? I didn't bother getting them at the time, and they're no longer on Easynews (Yes, I know Empire & Jedi were posted under fake titles).

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BiT-HDTV has all three German versions. I anticipate the Sky release will pop up there sometime soon

How does the Sky release compare to the Cinemax broadcast?
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Star Wars 1080p h264 is at a.b.hdtv. Empire is being posted now. I guess Jedi will follow. Are these the Sky versions you talk about Karyudo?
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Star Wars 1080p h264 is at a.b.hdtv. Empire is being posted now. I guess Jedi will follow. Are these the Sky versions you talk about Karyudo?


They are, although people are saying the DVNR is higher on them than on the German PremiereHD versions posted before Christmas.

For StarWarsHD goodness, your choices currently consist of:

German HD Edition - best quality video, but with German text and PAL speedup
SkyHD edition - good quality, although not as good as the German version and PAL speedup
Cinemax / HBO edition - MPEG-2, lower quality but correct audio.

So what you need is all three, take the majority of the German version, splice in the English crawls etc from the SkyHD version and then sync it with the audio of either the Cinemax / HBO / NTSC DVD / Your preferred audio. Easy!

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How can the Sky version have macroblocking? When you capture the stream you capture it as the original is, right? So the blocking is in the broadcast master already?

Edit: about the audio on HD stuff, is it the same sort of DD that's on normal dvds? Or is it different, maybe higher bitrate or 96kh?
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
How can the Sky version have macroblocking? When you capture the stream you capture it as the original is, right? So the blocking is in the broadcast master already?

Edit: about the audio on HD stuff, is it the same sort of DD that's on normal dvds? Or is it different, maybe higher bitrate or 96kh?


The sky version does have macroblocking for some reason
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Premiere HD
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swivp2h264premiereia4.jpg
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SkyHD
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swivp2h264skywk9.jpg
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SkyHD
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swivp2h264skywk9.jpg

Wow, that looks like shit! Thanks for the link. I was downloading the SkyHD version but I cancelled it.

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As has been mentioned before, with film material at 25fps, it's the same thing.
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Originally posted by: Zeromancer
The sky version does have macroblocking for some reason
Screencaps
Premiere HD
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swivp2h264premiereia4.jpg
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SkyHD
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swivp2h264skywk9.jpg


that does look pretty bad. I recorded them from SKYHD but just haven't got as clue how to transfer them to my PC though. I just skipped to that scene and zoomed in to the sky and the macroblocking isn't there. I wonder if its been caused by their process of transfer. I know sky's quality has always been pretty bad compared to other countries but it doesn't look anywhere near as bad as that screen shot does

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I believe that macroblocking only occurs during fades. So it would be crap like that for only a frame or two.

Not sure about SkyHD capping, but it used to be that MPEG-2 satellite capping could be done with a DVB card and decryption software.
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
As has been mentioned before, with film material at 25fps, it's the same thing.


I don't get it. So just because it's 25fps, it's automatically 1080p?
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: Karyudo
As has been mentioned before, with film material at 25fps, it's the same thing.


I don't get it. So just because it's 25fps, it's automatically 1080p?


No, not quite, but because it's 25fps, there are no issues with 3:2 pulldown. At worst, you have to worry about 2:2 pulldown, but since both fields come from the same frame, it looks progressive (i.e. no combing). There are no video frames constructed with two fields from separate film frames, as there are in ATSC/NTSC.

Also, with h.264 there's a PAFF encoding scheme which effectively allows you to actually encode 25fps at 1080p. From what I've read, SkyHD and Premiere both use this kind of encoding. Don't know all the details, but that's the gist.
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Originally posted by: Karyudo
As has been mentioned before, with film material at 25fps, it's the same thing.


I don't get it. So just because it's 25fps, it's automatically 1080p?


No, not quite, but because it's 25fps, there are no issues with 3:2 pulldown. At worst, you have to worry about 2:2 pulldown, but since both fields come from the same frame, it looks progressive (i.e. no combing). There are no video frames constructed with two fields from separate film frames, as there are in ATSC/NTSC.

Also, with h.264 there's a PAFF encoding scheme which effectively allows you to actually encode 25fps at 1080p. From what I've read, SkyHD and Premiere both use this kind of encoding. Don't know all the details, but that's the gist.



ok thanks
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Originally posted by: DVD-BOY
Can't bad weather affect people's sky receptions?

I've yet to see information on how people do these captures.

I got those screencaps from the alt.binaries.hdtv forum board.
I'm still going to d/l the SkyHD versions because they have 5.1 sound.


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Originally posted by: Zeromancer
I'm still going to d/l the SkyHD versions because they have 5.1 sound.


Not only that, but they've got the opening crawl and alien subs in English.

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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Europe is broadcasting in 1080p instead of 1080i?


American ATSC includes 1080p too. Look at the ATSC A/53E Digital Television Standard at http://www.atsc.org/standards/a53.html - table A3 Compression Format Constraints includes 1920 by 1080 progressive at 23.976 Hz, 24 Hz, 29.97 Hz, and 30 Hz. Doesn't get much more progressive than that. Every ATSC tuner has to support those. Since I have no access to actual ATSC transmissions, I can't say how often it is used, but there is absolutely no reason to transmit film content as interlaced 1920x1080.
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Of course you're right. ATSC does support 1080p. It just doesn't support 1080p at 60 Hz. That would take more bandwidth than is allowed by the bandwidth given for a conventional analog channel.

Is it just laziness that keeps the HBOs and Cinemaxes of the world... uhh... of the US from broadcasting their movies in 1080p24, I wonder?
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It's probably more convenient for broadcasters to get everything into the same format at the bottom of the transmission chain, and the most flexible format would be 1080i@30Hz. 1080p@24Hz stuff can be field-repeated up to 30Hz as soon as it enters the chain, and live stuff (or idents and such) can go out straight interlaced. Any 720p stuff could be upsampled to make life easier, too.

^ That's just a guess, though.

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I have all 6 Star Wars movies in 720p x264. I can make a torrent but I need Dark Jedi's "FACES Trilogy" and "Special Edition - Making of Documentary" Been trying to get these for awhile. Someone help me out.

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So....anyone want to make an edit of this?

Like de-SE it?