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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
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Hey Nanner, can I get one of those? I could really use a drink!

Goddamn these late shifts!
Don't you call me a mindless philosopher...!
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But you don't even know what it is! Are you willing to take the risk?

EDIT: That is not a picture of me. I have no clue who that is.

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Are you willing to take the risk?
I dunno, man, but that glazed expression looks mighty appealing right now...
Don't you call me a mindless philosopher...!
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Originally posted by: ferris209auraloffalwaffle claims that we are robots who work under command
I did no such thing.

I do believe that all life is sacred and if you think that's a bad thing then fair enough. I arrived at that conclusion after consideration, despite what you may think. I believe that I have no right to decide who lives or who dies in this world. Naturally, that influences my feelings on subjects such as war or crime or whatever. It is also my belief that no-one else has the right to decide who lives and who dies and those who kill should have their freedom to do so taken away from them.

That you think some people are not worthy to keep their life is not a fact of life that I have to deal with. It is your opinion, ferris209. No more or less.


What do you mean its his opninon no more or no less?Its fact, KILL YOUR NEIGHBOR BEFORE HE KILLS YOU. Life is a game of survival even I know that. I am not going to let my neighbor kill me when I goddamn know he is and I can do somthing about it. Same thing around the world....It seems you simply cannot grasp the concept that these people are not worth considering sacred! Their lifes revolve around killing! How fuckin sacred is that! How could you even consider thinking those lives are sacred!?
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Because I believe that that's how Jesus wants us to behave towards each other.
Don't you call me a mindless philosopher...!
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Oh My Fucking God. That was one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. Read the bible you dumbass. If Jesus was here now he would not tolerate the killing of millions of jews and christians by Islam, a fake religion. I am pretty sure he would not of sat down and done nothing about this. Your a fucking stupid individual to think thats what Jesus wanted. You lunatic.
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I have come to different conclusions to you about the world and my place in it. That doesn't make me mentally disabled or retarded or crazy or disgusting.

The world isn't black and white. There aren't just single correct answers to these questions, leaving the world divided into the right and the stupid.
Don't you call me a mindless philosopher...!
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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Oh My Fucking God. That was one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. Read the bible you dumbass. If Jesus was here now he would not tolerate the killing of millions of jews and christians by Islam, a fake religion. I am pretty sure he would not of sat down and done nothing about this. Your a fucking stupid individual to think thats what Jesus wanted. You lunatic.


I am not religious whatsoever and I don't know much about religion and the Bible but didn't Jesus said something like "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do". If they hit your on the left side of you face, turn them the right side? I think the Amish people did pretty much what Jezus would have want them to do after the shooting at their school. Forgive the killer, even set up support for his family because they suffer too. No spiral of violence.

Edit: What is fake about their religion? Do you believe every religion except Christianity is fake? I hope not because than you sound like a fundamentalist yourself. And that would clearly show you have no respect for other people's beliefs.


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I don't have respect for defeatests that claim they are on the same sides as humanity, nor do I have no resepct for people that say that their religion calls for the death of anyone that is not associated with it.
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Not that I am for taking this thread into the Religion argument but......

The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19); adultery (Leviticus 20:10); homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution (Leviticus 21:9) and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24-25), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, each and every sin we commit should result in the death penalty (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament Law...they truly did not care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God was the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The Apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-5).

So, basically, we are back to where we started. Yes, God allows capital punishment. But at the same time, God does not always demand the death penalty when it is due. What should a Christian’s view on the death penalty be, then? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard than He or be more kind than He. God has the highest standard of any being since He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given the government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.


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Not my words, but I don't think I could have written it any better at all! The way I look at killing in cases of War and Punishment is that we are sending them to a higher court, the court of God. If they are allowed to live they will rape, murder, and all that stuff that we don't like.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Oh My Fucking God. That was one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. Read the bible you dumbass. If Jesus was here now he would not tolerate the killing of millions of jews and christians by Islam, a fake religion. I am pretty sure he would not of sat down and done nothing about this. Your a fucking stupid individual to think thats what Jesus wanted. You lunatic.


I am not religious whatsoever and I don't know much about religion and the Bible but didn't Jesus said something like "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do". If they hit your on the left side of you face, turn them the right side? I think the Amish people did pretty much what Jezus would have want them to do after the shooting at their school. Forgive the killer, even set up support for his family because they suffer too. No spiral of violence.

Edit: What is fake about their religion? Do you believe every religion except Christianity is fake? I hope not because than you sound like a fundamentalist yourself. And that would clearly show you have no respect for other people's beliefs.




Jesus is well known for His continued emphasis on love, forgiveness, and "turning the other cheek." It is therefore surprising to find Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Did Jesus in this verse advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes?

This is an issue over which Christians have vehemently disagreed for many centuries. Following is a summary of the two basic views of how Christians have interpreted Jesus on this issue.

THE PATH OF NONRESISTANCE. Christian pacifists believe it is always wrong to injure other humans, no matter what the circumstances. And the same principles supporting pacifism carry over to nonresistance--the belief that any form of self-defense is wrong. This view is usually based on the exemplary life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

According to Christian pacifist John Yoder, Jesus rejected the existing political state of affairs and taught a form of radical nonviolence. Central to Christ's teaching, Yoder says, is His biblical mandate to "turn the other cheek" when encountering violence (Matthew 5:38-48).

In Yoder's view, the way to victorious living is to refrain from the game of sociopolitical control. Jesus exposed the futility of the violence engrafted in the present world system by resisting its inclinations even to the point of death. Hence, Christians are to refuse the world's violent methods and follow their Savior to the cross (Matthew 26:47-52). When Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword (Luke 22:36), pacifists suggest He was only speaking figuratively.

"TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" ALWAYS? It is true that Jesus said to turn the other cheek in Matthew 5:38-42. However, many scholars do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of His teaching in this passage. These scholars do not believe Jesus was teaching to "turn the other cheek" in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (see John 18:22-23).

The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. Bible scholar R. C. Sproul comments: "What's interesting in the expression is that Jesus specifically mentions the right side of the face [Matthew 5:39]....If I hit you on your right cheek, the most normal way would be if I did it with the back of my right hand....To the best of our knowledge of the Hebrew language, that expression is a Jewish idiom that describes an insult, similar to the way challenges to duels in the days of King Arthur were made by a backhand slap to the right cheek of your opponent."

The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would thus seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (see also Romans 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist.

In terms of following Christ's example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God's will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matthew 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God's timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ's unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection.

THE BIBLICAL CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. It is noteworthy that the Bible records many accounts of fighting and warfare. The providence of God in war is exemplified by His name YHWH Sabaoth ("The LORD of hosts"--Exodus 12:41). God is portrayed as the omnipotent Warrior-Leader of the Israelites. God, the LORD of hosts, raised up warriors among the Israelites called the shophetim (savior-deliverers). Samson, Deborah, Gideon, and others were anointed by the Spirit of God to conduct war. The New Testament commends Old Testament warriors for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Moreover, it is significant that although given the opportunity to do so, none of the New Testament saints--nor even Jesus--are ever seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 3:14).

Prior to His crucifixion, Jesus revealed to His disciples the future hostility they would face and encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27). Here the "sword" (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler's equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.

Self-defense may actually result in one of the greatest examples of human love. Christ Himself said, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:14). When protecting one's family or neighbor, a Christian is unselfishly risking his or her life for the sake of others.

Theologians J. P. Moreland and Norman Geisler say that "to permit murder when one could have prevented it is morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. In brief, not resisting evil is an evil of omission, and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of commission. Any man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder fails them morally."


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After my plea to Americans last week to buy firearms as a first step to fighting terrorism, a number of Christians wrote challenging my prescription as unbiblical, unscriptural and ungodly.

Wrong.

The Bible couldn't be clearer on the right – even the duty – we have as believers to self-defense.

Let's start in the Old Testament.

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him," we are told in Exodus 22:2. The next verse says, "If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft."

In other words, it was perfectly OK to kill a thief breaking into your house. That's the ultimate expression of self-defense. It doesn't matter whether the thief is threatening your life or not. You have the right to protect your home, your family and your property, the Bible says.

The Israelites were expected to have their own personal weapons. Every man would be summoned to arms when the nation confronted an enemy. They didn't send in the Marines. The people defended themselves.

In 1 Samuel 25:13, we read: "And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and David also girded on his sword: and there went up after David about four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the stuff."

Every man had a sword and every man picked it up when it was required.

Judges 5:8 reminds us of what happens to a foolish nation that chooses to disarm: "They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?"

The answer to the rhetorical question is clear: No. The people had rebelled against God and put away their weapons of self-defense.

"Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight," David writes in Psalms 144:1.

Clearly, this is not a pacifist God we serve. It's God who teaches our hands to war and our fingers to fight. Over and over again throughout the Old Testament, His people are commanded to fight with the best weapons available to them at that time.

And what were those weapons? Swords.

They didn't have firearms, but they had sidearms. In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus commanded His disciples to buy them and strap them on. Don't believe me? Check it out.

Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

I know. I know. You biblically literate skeptics are going to cite Matthew 26:52-54 – how Jesus responded when Peter used his sword to cut off the ear of a servant of the high priest: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?"

Read those verses in context and they support my position. Jesus told Peter he would be committing suicide to choose a fight in this situation – as well as undermining God's plan to allow Jesus' death on the cross and resurrection.

Jesus told Peter to put his sword in its place – at his side. He didn't say throw it away. After all, He had just ordered the disciples to arm themselves. The reason for the arms was obviously to protect the lives of the disciples, not the life of the Son of God. What Jesus was saying was: "Peter, this is not the right time for a fight."

In the context of America's current battle – as we make plans to rebuild after the devastation of Sept. 11 and defend ourselves at the same time – we should recall Nehemiah, who rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem.

"They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon," we're told in Nehemiah 4:17-18. "For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded."

Any more questions, skeptics? [\i]

Source http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25442

I think these are proof 'nough.
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Thanks alot ferris209--I owe you one.

Might I add that here in the U.S., the translated version is "thou Shall not kill" when the original text says "thou shall not murder".
I guess this puts the religion thing to sleep.
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Moses: Thou shalt not kill!

Man in crowd: What?

Moses: Uh... you can't kill.

Man in crowd: Are you sure God specifically said kill? Didn't he mean murder?

Moses: Is there a difference?

Man: Why, sure! Killing is when you have to end someone's life to defend yourself, and your family...

Second Man: And your territory!

Man: Yes, and your way of life...

Third Man: Your money...

Second Man: Your right to have a weapon. Your country's soberany.

Man: Your profit.

Moses: Okay, okay, and murder is when you kill someone for another reason, right?

Man: Yes.

Moses: Like what?

Man: Come again?

Moses: What would not be a good justification for killing someone, what is murder?

Man: Mostly abortion.

Moses: Oh shut up. Enough of that. God dosen't want people to kill anyone, under no circustances.

Man: Suppose God asks me to kill my own son.

Moses: Quiet! Now, next commandment... thou shall not commit adultery.

(Whole crowd boos and goes away)

Man: But what if I kill her husband first?

Moses: Oh forget about it, tell you what, do whatever you please as long as it's not too gay, okay? If you need me I'll be at my tent.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Read the bible you dumbass. If Jesus was here now he would not tolerate the killing of millions of jews and christians by Islam, a fake religion. I am pretty sure he would not of sat down and done nothing about this. Your a fucking stupid individual to think thats what Jesus wanted. You lunatic.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Moses: Thou shalt not kill!

Man in crowd: What?

Moses: Uh... you can't kill.

Man in crowd: Are you sure God specifically said kill? Didn't he mean murder?

Moses: Is there a difference?

Man: Why, sure! Killing is when you have to end someone's life to defend yourself, and your family...

Second Man: And your territory!

Man: Yes, and your way of life...

Third Man: Your money...

Second Man: Your right to have a weapon. Your country's soberany.

Man: Your profit.

Moses: Okay, okay, and murder is when you kill someone for another reason, right?

Man: Yes.

Moses: Like what?

Man: Come again?

Moses: What would not be a good justification for killing someone, what is murder?

Man: Mostly abortion.

Moses: Oh shut up. Enough of that. God dosen't want people to kill anyone, under no circustances.

Man: Suppose God asks me to kill my own son.

Moses: Quiet! Now, next commandment... thou shall not commit adultery.

(Whole crowd boos and goes away)

Man: But what if I kill her husband first?

Moses: Oh forget about it, tell you what, do whatever you please as long as it's not too gay, okay? If you need me I'll be at my tent.



I usually never make posts like this because I hate when other people do it, but.....

LOL!!!

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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Read the bible you dumbass. If Jesus was here now he would not tolerate the killing of millions of jews and christians by Islam, a fake religion. I am pretty sure he would not of sat down and done nothing about this. Your a fucking stupid individual to think thats what Jesus wanted. You lunatic.


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I think we should put warnings on the bible.
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oralwaffle was the one that started all this bible talk, saying its not "jesus way"
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How do we know what religion is real and what religion is false? They might have the exact same idea of you.
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Alright, just wanted to throw in a few quick comments.

First off, everybody has the right to their own opinion, no matter how ignorant it seems to others. It isn't very nice to go flaming them for it. America is pretty much founded off of the whole live and let die philosophy. Survival of the fitest. It is the very natural way of things, you'll find it happening in nature everyday. Before you say that humans have their own mind and are better than the animals, I must say that of course we are, but you see this same behavior in humans too. Always have, always will. You can argue that we are better than this until the cows come home, but it wont make the facts of life any less true. You will always have power hungry madmen who want more power. This is called greed. We all know greed quite well and have all felt it at some level or another. Anyway, America won it independance through this philosophy, and it is still a very strong part of us today. Americans have the tendancy to be extremely independant. Once when I lived oversees somebody told me that we Americans are extremely cruel, because we always kick our children out when they turn 18. This came to me funny, because I have rarely met an 18 year old in America who was not excited to get out on their own. In America our philosophy usually tells us if somebody threatens to take something away from us, we should stand up for ourselves and not let them. If somebody tries to kill you kill them first. No all Americans think this way, but plenty of us do.

That said, hopfully those of you from other countries can understand why some of your ways of thinking are so unbelievable obsured to some of us. To address WESHALLPRESERVE, I know you are young, but I don't think excuses you from laying down so much flak on some of these guy. Try to keep the insults down. It can be damaging to the rest of what you are trying to say, and you do have some great points. But if I were any of the ones you are insulting, I imagine I would stop caring how good your posts are. These other guys have the right to their opinions, it doesnt hurt us that much (especially if they are not an American voter), the consequences of their way of thinking will have the largest impact on them. Whether they ultimately end up finding that impact a positive or a negative one is for them to discover. Keep the good points coming WESHALLPRESERVE, but I would suggest (but only a suggestion) trying to use more tact. You are going to find that most people in life are close minded and already know all the truth about the world and everything in it. When this is the case, as it most often is, there comes a moment when the best course of action is to stop arguing with them.

A truely wise man always realizes what a fool he really is. The universe is a massive place full of countless things, none of us will ever know more than the smallest fraction of these things. This is why an open mind is a smart thing to hang onto.

And about the whole thout shalt not kill thing. There are numerous translation of the Bible in English, many of them have both their strong points and their low points, and they all say essentually the same thing execpt for the occasional translation error. To truely say that it really means that you should not murder, you would need to look at the original Hebrew text, because you will find both murder and kill used if you look through just a few different english translations. The fact is that the same Jewish law that commanded that man should never kill man also supported capitol punishment, and the same God who gave them the ten commandments (of which man should not kill man is one of) also sent the Jewish people into battles against other nations. I don't know if the quote ferris gave mention that, I did not take the time to read them. If they did then I apologize for the redundacy. Humerously murder was punishable by death. So to use that against the death penalty is laughable. And this is off topic, but thought I would mention just for fun, something that a lot of abortionist hating Christians (not a fan of abortion myself) have a hard time with, the Jewish law mentions the compensation that a man was to pay if he struck a pregnant woman and caused her to lose her baby, and it is a MUCH smaller price than the penalty for the murder of child. (I don't see this as a Biblical base that abortion should not be equated with murder, but I do find it something interesting to think about.)

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
How do we know what religion is real and what religion is false? They might have the exact same idea of you.


How do you know anything about any of them if you don't study them? I would invite every Christian to study Islam, and every Muslim to study Christianity. Every atheist to study creationism, and every theist to study evolution. And all of them to do so with an open eye. If Christians go searching the internet for reasons the Qu'ran is a pile of crap, or atheists go searching for reasons why the Bible is a pile of crap (or Christians searching for why darwinism is a pile of crap, or any combo of any), then you you are only seeing a bias and not really gaining anything.

I like your little warning label Sean. Prove that whoever came up with that label know very little about the object he is labeling. I especially like the content warning where is says "descriptive or advocating" it kind of makes it sound like the bible supports sodomy and violent rape. While it mentions these and the other things listed, it certainly doest advocate them, or by any means give any sort of descriptions of them.

I like how the bible gets a bad rap from the things people teach in the name of the bible. I think even for an atheist the bible could be a fasinating work of literature. It is far above the level of Homer's works, and contains many very interesting and historically accurate bits of history. I feel it should at least be given as much respect as Homer gets, or any other work of literature, whether you think it is fiction or not. It is really annoying something so interesting recieves so much hate from people who havent a clue of what is written inside. Even the bible stories you think you know well, you may find to be completely different when reading them from the real source.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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On behalf of Nanner Split's Super Fun Time Land, I am proud to present c3px with the Poster of the Month award. He always manages to say what I'm thinking, only he's able to express it better than I am.

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Thanks alot C3PX, everything you've said as really come in handy...I have contemplated leaving these fools as they are, and I think this long 9 page thread has really been enough---wow, from Global Warming to Bible Translations, in 5 days----I'm not going to leave the fourms or anything, BTW, and I'm not really going to be able to post the next few days ---So happy hunting everyone! I'll see you later!
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: sean wookie
How do we know what religion is real and what religion is false? They might have the exact same idea of you.


How do you know anything about any of them if you don't study them? I would invite every Christian to study Islam, and every Muslim to study Christianity. Every atheist to study creationism, and every theist to study evolution. And all of them to do so with an open eye. If Christians go searching the internet for reasons the Qu'ran is a pile of crap, or atheists go searching for reasons why the Bible is a pile of crap (or Christians searching for why darwinism is a pile of crap, or any combo of any), then you you are only seeing a bias and not really gaining anything.

I like your little warning label Sean. Prove that whoever came up with that label know very little about the object he is labeling. I especially like the content warning where is says "descriptive or advocating" it kind of makes it sound like the bible supports sodomy and violent rape. While it mentions these and the other things listed, it certainly doest advocate them, or by any means give any sort of descriptions of them.

I like how the bible gets a bad rap from the things people teach in the name of the bible. I think even for an atheist the bible could be a fasinating work of literature. It is far above the level of Homer's works, and contains many very interesting and historically accurate bits of history. I feel it should at least be given as much respect as Homer gets, or any other work of literature, whether you think it is fiction or not. It is really annoying something so interesting recieves so much hate from people who havent a clue of what is written inside. Even the bible stories you think you know well, you may find to be completely different when reading them from the real source.


I do think it is quite interesting. I enjoy the story of Exodus. Also Inferno is interesting.
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I really hope you're not referring to the Bible when you say "Inferno is interesting", otherwise I think it's safe to say that your speaking privileges have been revoked.

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