Originally posted by: auximenies
What sort of a response is that? You ask others if they can do some research for you (or help you with your research), some guy tells you the results of his research, and you blow him off? First hand accounts from those that worked on the film are in fact pieces of the puzzle and count as evidence. That's fine if you don't think there is enough depth in Marvolo's research, but don't ask for something and then brush it aside. Plus, it's quite ironic that you say that some folks who worked on the film can't remember things accurately since it is the accuracy of your memory that has been called into question. But since it did appear this has caused a major distrubance in the force I thought I may be worth hanging around for a while and just see if anybody else could find anything new.
Look, we're all for the discovery of "new" or "lost" footage, so don't act as if everyone is against you. It's just that we've seen this before where people seem to remember things that didn't happen, so that's why the explanations of created memories are being offered.
Originally posted by: rancher
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I'm not too interested in what anybody that worked on the film says on these matters now as they either can't or don't care to remember accurately or have some other reason. Just produce the footage if you haven't destroyed it.
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Irvin Kershner( sp) said himself that they dropped the wampa scenes and didn't film them because the suits would not work right and the effects were to expensive and complicated. The only wampa scene ever filmed was the scene involving Luke getting attacked and draged to the cave and proceeding cave scene. So it is impossible that you saw the other scenes, because they were never filmed.
Irvin Kershner( sp) said himself that they dropped the wampa scenes and didn't film them because the suits would not work right and the effects were to expensive and complicated. The only wampa scene ever filmed was the scene involving Luke getting attacked and draged to the cave and proceeding cave scene. So it is impossible that you saw the other scenes, because they were never filmed.
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I'm not too interested in what anybody that worked on the film says on these matters now as they either can't or don't care to remember accurately or have some other reason. Just produce the footage if you haven't destroyed it.
What sort of a response is that? You ask others if they can do some research for you (or help you with your research), some guy tells you the results of his research, and you blow him off? First hand accounts from those that worked on the film are in fact pieces of the puzzle and count as evidence. That's fine if you don't think there is enough depth in Marvolo's research, but don't ask for something and then brush it aside. Plus, it's quite ironic that you say that some folks who worked on the film can't remember things accurately since it is the accuracy of your memory that has been called into question. But since it did appear this has caused a major distrubance in the force I thought I may be worth hanging around for a while and just see if anybody else could find anything new.
Look, we're all for the discovery of "new" or "lost" footage, so don't act as if everyone is against you. It's just that we've seen this before where people seem to remember things that didn't happen, so that's why the explanations of created memories are being offered.
Hey, don't take it too personally. I wasn't as polite as I should've been & I sincerely apologize for that. I’ve heard what the director said about the footage in question on one of the old VHS tapes before & it’s not exactly the cut I’m talking about. It’s easier for you to respond to this thread just like you did, than is for me to inquire about a cut of the film I saw & have many tell me very nicely that it’s all in my head, impossible because of reasons that actually don't apply to me aside from the explanations that it wasn't filmed in the 1st. place. The post I left before hoping that some inquiry be done by the people that had the ability to find something out & just maybe someday be able to get the footage was going to be my last at least for a while.
Regarding the people involved with making Empire, your right, is it ironic about the memory issue I brought up. Sure, what they say now can count as evidence & normally shouldn’t be brushed aside. I guess I’m saying I’m not too interested what these people say unless it helps produce the cut footage. Plus, don’t tell me how to act again.
If I were going to tell you how to act, I’d say something on the lines of thanking me for letting everyone here know about a cut of the film that nobody that has replied to this thread has seen or even heard of yet and there is hope that a very different cut was plus may still be out there. Saving the best for last, the possibility that this extended version of the film being obtained one day by this fan circle. I wouldn’t do that though because that would make me a real jackass wouldn’t it?
So whatever, you didn’t like my response & I didn’t like a few others responses either. Big deal.
The only way for this to be solved is if somebody comes forward with the 70mm bootleg of the advance cut of the film that Scotty/Amazon in Chicago claims to have seen. Or if somebody has or can get access to the actual 70mm prints from 1980 particularly Edmonton’s or now maybe the ones sent Chicago or ???
I’m sorry if I offended you & your friend Marvolo. Anyways, Jambe is on it now & maybe he will be able to provide everyone with some more details.