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Originally posted by: Stamper
Woops, sorry, I thought you were the guy who wrote the original T3 online script ! My mistake.
Anyway, I'll pm you later with suggestions, I'm off rewatching your great edit again !

I have written a T4 script: Terminator 4: Hope Of The Future

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I finally had a chance to watch this last night. It's pretty good. You managed to cut out most of the things I had a problem with in the original (talk to the hand, stupid sunglasses, etc). I think the only thing left that still bugs me is the whole "skynet didn't have a core". Didn't they say in T1 that they had breached the core and were about to win when they sent a Terminator back? Doesn't Skynet becoming an Internet wide "botnet" essentially change/violate that? If it's possible, that's the only thing left that I would cut. I think the whole part about Skynet not having a core and just being all the computers connected to the Internet could be cut without effecting anything else.

Other than that, this is a great edit. Keep up the good work.
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Originally posted by: Stamper
I watched the whole thing, and I agree it's much better than the original, with many edits cleverly done.

Things I don't like are the opening credits music, (I think some Brad Fiedel score would be better) as we miss the noise of the images you selected, and the future flashback insertion in the back of the truck (doesn't work for me)

If you plan a 2.0 edit, I would happilly discuss some general ideas with you, I'm a huge Terminator fan too, since 1984... I think actually we may have exchanged emails as far back as 1996

I think mostly you could move some sequences around to make it flow better in the first half. For example make the two Terminators arrives before you introduce the sarah connor character (whatever they called her this time, catherine whatever). Also remove the Ladies Night shot (no terminator Thermovision, while it should be), also some edits needs to be perfected to work, drop the killing of catherine boyfriend, it's a cliched scene, and helps make the impersonating of him more efficient. Another is John Coming out of the coffing too soon during the cemetary escape. The guys who edited this film originally should never be allowed to touch a movie again in their liftetime, including their offshots. I can either email or pm you on suggestions for improvement. I have a few. There's a real POV on your edit, a director's one, that the original, controlled by the A hole producers, have not. Really cool, despite the imperfections.
Stamper, I didn't get a PM. Seems my PM system was turned off. I turned it on, hoping that you could send me a PM with the ideas that you have.




Originally posted by: lordjedi
I finally had a chance to watch this last night. It's pretty good. You managed to cut out most of the things I had a problem with in the original (talk to the hand, stupid sunglasses, etc). I think the only thing left that still bugs me is the whole "skynet didn't have a core". Didn't they say in T1 that they had breached the core and were about to win when they sent a Terminator back? Doesn't Skynet becoming an Internet wide "botnet" essentially change/violate that? If it's possible, that's the only thing left that I would cut. I think the whole part about Skynet not having a core and just being all the computers connected to the Internet could be cut without effecting anything else.

Other than that, this is a great edit. Keep up the good work.

About the core. I believe SKYNET started as software and uplaoded itself to SAC NORAD inside Cheyenne Mountain during Judgment Day, to protect itself against the missiles and the EMP of those missiles. There it starts to form itself into hardware mainframe instead of the software thing. That's what I believe, but it's non canon at the moment.

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I liked this version very much. only problem i had was with the loudness of the music during the narration at the beginning and the back of the truck. Furthermore, he does exit the coffin far too early especially with dozens of Police lead hitting the vehicle. Suppose it could of been an armoured hearse lol. anyway cool edit excellent work, keep it up.
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Originally posted by: StormTrooper
I liked this version very much. only problem i had was with the loudness of the music during the narration at the beginning and the back of the truck. Furthermore, he does exit the coffin far too early especially with dozens of Police lead hitting the vehicle. Suppose it could of been an armoured hearse lol. anyway cool edit excellent work, keep it up.


Thanks for the feedback. In January I'm gonna work on the NTSC conversation. Perhaps I will try to re-do the opening and the scene in the back of the truck to adjust the sound, IF POSSIBLE. These 2 things are the only problems that I have heard people "complaining" about.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback!!

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maurice2029, did you go by T-Hope on the T3 message boards? If you are then I'm shure you remember me from those boards also.

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Originally posted by: AuggieBenDoggie
maurice2029, did you go by T-Hope on the T3 message boards? If you are then I'm shure you remember me from those boards also.

Yep, that's my. But my actual name there was HopeOfTheFuture, like the name of my site ;-)
Long time no see huh? How did you end up here?

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Originally posted by: maurice2029
Originally posted by: StormTrooper
I liked this version very much. only problem i had was with the loudness of the music during the narration at the beginning and the back of the truck. Furthermore, he does exit the coffin far too early especially with dozens of Police lead hitting the vehicle. Suppose it could of been an armoured hearse lol. anyway cool edit excellent work, keep it up.


Thanks for the feedback. In January I'm gonna work on the NTSC conversation. Perhaps I will try to re-do the opening and the scene in the back of the truck to adjust the sound, IF POSSIBLE. These 2 things are the only problems that I have heard people "complaining" about.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback!!


Your welcome i appreciate your damn fine work. anyway have you also done T2? if not who has and which is the best version you have seen yourself?

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Originally posted by: StormTrooper

Your welcome i appreciate your damn fine work. anyway have you also done T2? if not who has and which is the best version you have seen yourself?

Actually, I have been thinking about doing a fanedit of T2. Not to improve, T2 is already a masterpiece, but more like an alternate cut. I have been thinking of doing a new opening scene, but now with the footage of the T2 teaser (same that was used in my T3 T-HOPE ed.). But I dropped this idea, because in my opinion T2 doesn't need to be improved, or some alternate cut. It's already perfect the way exists nowadays. People can even choose 3 viewing modes on the (region 1) Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition:
a) theatrical edition (137 min.)
b) special edition (152 min.)
c) ultimate edition (154 min.)
So no, I don't think I will do a T2 Alternate Cut or something like that.

The best T2 version in my opinion? The first time I saw T2, it was the BBC cut, which removes some violent scenes and add some scenes frmo the special edition to get the same runtime. Sort of a hybrid of the theatrical edition and the special edition I guess. So I both like the theatrical edition and the special edition. If I had to choose between those two, I think I would go for the special edition. It includes some great scenes and character development. Also, Kyle Reese return in this cut, which is also a big plus!

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Don't forget ADM's fourth option.

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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Don't forget ADM's fourth option.

I thought you were refering to only the official releases.

I have seen ADM's fanedit, but it's not a major change/cut. He just added 1 scene to the movie. Like he has already stated, he wanted a cut of the movie that did have the T-1000 searching John's room, but not the alternate ending, like the Ultimate Edition cut has. I like that he has done this cut, but my favorite cut is still the special edition.

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Yep, that's my. But my actual name there was HopeOfTheFuture, like the name of my site ;-)
Long time no see huh? How did you end up here?


Hope of the Future; ah, I remember know. Heh, it "has" been a long time. Too bad the T3 boards are shut down. I'm still pissed that the board administration would not accept my T3 fan art. They woudn't even tell me if it violated copyright or not.

Anyway, I found this place from another starwars fan site (millenniumfalcon.com to be exact ). I have been a lurker here for a little while. It's good to see your a member here, hows it been?

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Originally posted by: AuggieBenDoggie
Yep, that's my. But my actual name there was HopeOfTheFuture, like the name of my site ;-)
Long time no see huh? How did you end up here?


Hope of the Future; ah, I remember know. Heh, it "has" been a long time. Too bad the T3 boards are shut down. I'm still pissed that the board administration would not accept my T3 fan art. They woudn't even tell me if it violated copyright or not.

Hey, you should check out the Terminator Files forum if you want to talk about Terminator, etc. A part of the old T3 community has moved over to that forum since the sudden closure of the T3 forum.

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okay, for the ones interested in the NTSC version.

I just did a re-mix of one of the scenes in which the voice was hard to understand. Voice sound has been tuned up, background music has been lowered in volume.

After this, the intro will be re-mixed in the same style as mentioned above.

When this is done, I will start converting the video to NTSC.

Thanks for being so patient!!

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We're not patient, we just don't have a choice.

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Is there any information on the NTSC version of this edit? It sounds great, would love to see it.
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I actually hoped to have this NTSC version finished this month, but they will be very unlikely. The reason can be found here:
problem

One of my project files turned corrupt. I still haven;t found a solution, so now stuck with the choice to
a) use the scene from PAL version. Problem is that the narration by John Connor is sometimes hard to understand (=something I wanted to fix for the NTSC release).
OR
b) create the complete scene all over again. Thinking about this gives me a headache, left alone actually doing it.

I'm going on wintersport in mid March, and I don't think it will be finished in March.

If you know the answer to my problem, help me...

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Good news, I finally got a good workable (but still incomplete) project file and finished the new audio mix for this fanedit. I even removed another scene from the cut, and the movie itself is rendered. Now I will need to transfer it to NTSC format and then put it on DVD. I have to look it up how it works, but I thought it was posted somewhere on this forum.

NTSC fans, there's finally some hope for this fanedit!!!

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TERMINATOR 3 T-HOPE EDITION version 2.0 [PAL FORMAT] is finished.
You will all wonder why the hell I first did a PAL version of version 2.0, but this is simply because I still had the original DVD files, so all I had to do was add the new cut in the dvd menu and make some new chapters. Because this was easily to do (except for a problem I stumbled upon, but thanks to boon23 this is also solved), I chose to first do a quick PAL version.

During the course of this week, I will start my first DVD PAl-->NTSC conversion.

ps. Version 2.0 PAL format will be released on torrent also in the course of this week. I will stop seeding the original version.

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PAL format (NTSC conversion is being worked on)


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TERMINATOR 3 - T-HOPE EDITION Version 2.0

DISC SPECS

Type................: DVD Movie
Platform............: VIDEO_TS
Burn Tested.........: Yes
Video Format........: DVD/VOB/MPEG2/16:9/2:40 WIDESCREEN/PAL
Audio Format........: Dolby Digital 5.1 448Kbps
Runtime.............: 1 hr 39 min 54 sec
Size................: 4.33 GB

DISC DETAILS

Genre...............: Fan Produced Fan Edit
Disc Creator........: Maurice
Creator Contact.....: THopeEdition@yahoo.com

For more info about fanedits: www.fanedit.org



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Official version runtime: 01:44:40
T-HOPE EDITION original runtime: 01:40:24
T-HOPE EDITION version 2.0 runtime: 01:39:54

TERMINATOR 3 - T-HOPE EDITION

"Judgment Day has come,
Humanity will fall,
And the Machines will rise."

Although Terminator 3 was a decent movie, it lacked things the previous two movies did have. The storyline missed some good explanation on how everything was still possible, and what the hell was the new date of Judgment Day?

I felt that the Terminator had become more like a goofy character, with all his cheesy actions (Elton John glasses) or crappy oneliners ("Excuse me"). The personality that was given to the Terminator, looked sometimes a bit like an overblown ego (it looked like the Terminator cared for himself). Also, the Terminator was portrayed as some pathetic comical character with lines like "No, I am not shitting you". And you wondered why Terminator 3 wasn't taken seriously...?
T-X also had her crappy scenes, with her growing breasts and double lines. It just didn't make sense.
So here's my attempt to save T3.

I have added some short deleted scenes from trailers and other sources. I know that more scenes were cut from T3, but since they have not been released in DVD quality, they were not worth inserting back.

I'm not saying Terminator 3 is a crappy movie. I personally enjoyed it. But I had a terrible feeling that they could have come up with something a whole lot better. And this inspired me to do my own cut.

This fan edition runs 4 minutes shorter than the original movie. What is left is a darker movie, following the style of the first Terminator movie. Now, Terminator's mission has become a race against the clock.
No more cheesy oneliners or ridiculous scenes. The Terminator focusses completely on the mission. The T-X is faster, more powerful and more intelligent. No more romance between John and Kate. A complete new opening, plus a reference to T2's Cyberdyne Systems.

I hope you all enjoy my fancut of T3. If you have any suggestions or feedback, don't be shy to mail me:
THopeEdition@yahoo.com

Enjoy!!

Maurice
"There is always hope..."



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Terminator 3 T-HOPE Edition:
- FanCut Marker; identifies cuts and changes throughout the movie.
- Alternate Scenes:
* "A Teen"
* "First Alternate Opening"
* "The New Stripper"
* "Cemetery Shootout"
- Info



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Complete list of changes/cuts:
1. Alternate opening. John Connor's original narration has been slightly altered, plus the construction of a Terminator is shown. Could this be John Connor's nightmare, or something even much worse?
The song "T3" has been restored in this opening (this song is on the soundtrack, but was nowhere to be found in the official movie).
2. Removal of T-X’s line “I like this car.” A reference to T2's "Say, that's a nice bike," but it gets annoying because she says it again with police officer a scene later. Here, T-X just kills, and doesn’t say unnecessary lines to insignificant persons. She’s a cold blooded killer now.
3. Removal of the growing T-X’s breasts. In the T3 novelization it makes a bit sense, since she lures the cop with her breasts into an alley to kill him out of sight (but still, why lure the cop out of sight to kill him while a scene later you just brutally shoot a kid working in a drive-in in public?). However, since the alley-sequence does not happen in the movie, this is just a very lame example of T-X morphing-abilities. She’s a cold blooded killer, not some cute sexrobot.
4. Removal of T-X’s line “I like your gun.” As explained above. Now it is only hinted that the T-X will take the gun one way or another.
5. Removal of T-850’s line “Now” when he moves forward to speak against the stripper’s hand. Pathetic scene in which is shown that the Terminator does not know human gestures. It’s an infiltration unit, so it should not bow over to literally talk to the hand.
6. Removal of the pathetic "Elton John sunglasses" scene. Terminator just walks out of the bar, stands still a second (to take a look at the offscreen parked cards) and then we cut to Terminator slamming the window.
7. Removal of T-850 synchronizing his internal clock with the watch. Although it's an awesome scene and idea, this sequence causes more confusion than it clears things up. The order of dates that appear is not chronological, so we are still left to guess which date is really is. Also, the Terminator finds the watch hidden behind the sunvisor. Since he immediately checks the sunvisor, this shows that the Terminator is either more sophisticated/updated, or understands more of human habbits. Now this is removed.
8. T-X just goes into the driveby and shoots Jose without even asking his name or checking him via her TermoVision. She just brutally shoots without a known reason for the audience yet, just like in the first Terminator movie. Why ask for names if you can already identify your target via an iris (or DNA) scan?
9. Same goes for Bill Anderson. T-X arrives at his house and just slams him to the ground and shoots him. This is also more like the style of the first Terminator movie. Although we have seen the T-X connecting to some database, she is just killing unknown persons while we are left to guess why at the moment.
10. Removal of T-X's sampling the cat lady's blood and her reaction "No." First of all, if it's the target the T-X is looking for, she wouldn't say "no" to herself but just continue looking for her target. Second, the T-X sampling someone's blood is shown in a scene later in which she samples John Connor's blood. Redunancy thus...
11. Removal of T-X’s orgasmic reaction after sampling John’s blood. Wasn’t my comment about the T-X being some kind of cold blooded killing machine instead of robotic sextoy not enough?
12. Kate doesn’t drop the keys (such a Hollywood cliché), the T-X is right at her when she jumps in the Tundra. This makes the T-X a more dangerous Terminator than she was portrayed in the movie. Like the Terminator says later on in the movie: "T-X is faster, more intelligent and more powerful."
13. Added shot of the T-850 grabbing the shotgun out of the truck at the vet.
14. Removal of the line “I lied.” T-850 needs the time to save John, so why bother having a conversation with Kate when you know that you will need all the time in the world to save the person you are programmed to protect.
15. Removal of T-X double checking when she notices the T-850 is driving his firetruck next to her crane. She only looks one time at him and immediately notices him, which makes her more menacing.
16. Removal of T-850’s line “Excuse me” to the T-X, before striking his axe into her neck during the crane chase. Silly line, a Terminator would never say something like this in the heat of a battle. T-X just notices the Terminator now.
17. Removed the ridiculous conversation:
John Connor: “So, she’s an anti-Terminator Terminator? You’ve got to be shitting me.”
T-850: “No, I am not shitting you.”
And you wonder why Terminator wasn't taken seriously...?
18. Removed T-850’s second “Relax”. The T-850 looks so out of place with that movement. Kate’s screaming can be heard when the Tundra drives away from the explosion.
19. Removal of "Talk to the hand." The Terminator just stares blankly at the guy (and ignores him).
20. Alternate conversation between John and Kate in the back of the van, together with a future flashforward. No silly lines like "Jerky?" or "What are you, some kind of gangmember?" John uses the Mike Kripke's conversation now as icebreaker to Kate. Also, the future war scenes have a meaning now, and a reason to atsppear. Not unlike the official cut, in which they are just random (meaningless) future war scenes (with great special effects) as opening. The added song that accompanies the future nightmares is: Dead Can Dance - The Host Of Seraphim.
21. Removed the T-X killing Scott. Now we don't know that the T-X has mimicked Scott's appearance. This is more like T2 style, and creating a surprise effect later on when Scott suddenly kills the police officers.
22. Removal of the T-850’s line “Don’t do that” after being shot in the mouth by Kate. It hints that the T-850 has a real personality (which also appears later in the movie, when he corrects John who calls him a robot instead of a cybernetic organism). And would a Terminator tell the one he should obey not to do something?
Another fact is that Kate now fully realizes that this man is not human, and this shock has more impact to her. The removal of John telling her that it is a machine, during the conversation in the back of the van, adds now more perspective, because Kate didn't know that it was a cyborg when she accidentally fired the gun in Terminator's mouth.
23. Added two short alternate scenes of the T-850 firing his gun while holding the coffin.
24. Removed storyline of John and Kate’s children, or that Kate will even turn out to be John’s spouse. This romantic stuff has been trimmed down heavily. The only hints for a possible future relationship are the Mike Kripke's conversations and the couple holding hands at the end of the movie.
25. Removed Kate’s line “Do something” while the T-X attacks the hearse. Like if the Terminator doesn’t understand that his mission objectives are in danger and that he needs to act.
26. Removed human pair bounding scene. Instead the next sequence is shown:
27. Added CRS promotional video. A nice reference to T2's Cyberdyne Systems. Sgt. Candy does not make his appearance. I didn't like the fact that CRS was alreadymaking the Endoskeletons in the present, this was supposed to happen in the future by SKYNET. And ofcourse the fact that Robert Brewster sees this video and does not refer to the T-850 as Sgt. Candy later on. Besides, this video trims down the darker movie I wanted to edit, and showing the full Candy video would only make it more comical.
28. Removed the T-850 correcting John after being called a robot instead of a cybernetic organism. Again, it looked like the Terminator had a personality and needed to stand up for his ego.
29. Removal of Kate's first kiss conversation. They now have some kind of short giggle.
30. Removal of short conversation about Kate's role in the future (being second-in-command and being John's spouse).
31. "She’ll be back” video-sequence from the first trailer, so it has more impact.
32. Removal of Kate’s pathetic line “Just die you bitch,” during the particle accelerator escape. That line came suddenly out of nowhere, like Kate suddenly needed her own one-liner.
33. In the CRS fight, the T-850 slams the T-X with some kind of gas canister, and she spins her head. I have removed that bit. It focusses a bit more on the action and not the T-X's "I'm far more superior than you"-look.
34. Removal of John’s line “You can’t kill a human being, you said so yourself” during the desire scene. In the novelization, at the cemetery the T-850 tells John he can't kill humans. However, this is unknown to the movie watching audience, and removing this line makes the desire scene have more impact. The T-850 is more dangerous when it is unknown whether he can kill a human (John) or not, and this questions if John will survive the T-850 during the desire scene.
35. Added a shot of John and Kate dodging some flying piece of debris at Crystal Peak after the T-850 crashes in.
36. Added a short clip of Kate screaming while pulling John away under the blast door while the T-X holds John's ankle (it misses the original audio scream, since it was impossible to use the original audio).
37. Alternate music during credits. Only Marco Beltrami music, and most of it was missing from the official cut. Songs have been mixed into 1 mix/suite:
- Terminator Theme
- JC Theme
- A Day In The Life (edit)
- T3 Reprise (for the next change
38. Future war clip after credits, so the audience will know that the hardest battle is not over, but has yet to come.
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NTSC version is almost ready.

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How is that going from the technical side?

Are you just resizing and slowing the speed down? Resizing and using pulldown flags? Or are you recutting the whole thing with NTSC source?

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I just resized it. Used VirtualDub MPEG to resize and frameserving into CCE. Then ran GPulldown after this to change the framerate into 29,97. I didn't even have to change the audio, it just fits with the video.

I noticed that the fancut marker (just a subtitle) runs not completely in synch during the end of the movie like it did with the PAL version, but I am not gonna change that anymore.

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I think you misunderstand, sure the way you converted allows the audio to sync.
What I was stating was that typically in order to get a 24fps movie to reach 25fps speed, they run the film faster which causes the audio to change pitch.
It makes people sound like they are sucking helium.

Using 25->29.97 pulldown preserves that speed change. It's really only a useful method when the original source was PAL video and not film.
The correct way is to re-encode at 23.976/720x480 and then run the audio through a re-encoder (BeSweet has a simple template for this) set to 25->23.976. This corrects the pitch change.

Of course I could be talking out of my butt. Can anyone confirm that the PAL T3 has audio speedup?

Dr. M