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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 26
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Adywan, did you apply any overall brightness increase? I ask because I'm toying with the idea for my edit, but I don't want to ramp up the noisy dark areas and create posterisation.
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Adywan, did you apply any overall brightness increase? I ask because I'm toying with the idea for my edit, but I don't want to ramp up the noisy dark areas and create posterisation.
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i have increased the brightness & gamma but not an overall setting. I had to do it shot for shot with the colour correction because when i tried applying an overall correction some scenes showed too many artifacts. The brightness/contrast/gamma is all over the place with the DVDs. For instance, if you look at the scene where R2 is sucked into the sandcrawler, the levels in the dark areas change and using the same brightness settings throughout only enhances this problem, so i had to actually drop the black levels for a few of the shots to bring them in line with the rest. You could apply a global setting but you would have to check through it and fix the problem shots after, and believe me there are quite a few.lol
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Originally posted by: adywan
this was something that i was thinking of adding into the movie when everything was just in the initial planning stages but was scrapped before i started any work on it. So this won't be appearing in the final edit.
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Adywan,
Would you consider re-editing the Death Star chasm scene so that it appears Luke throws the grappling hook twice, missing the first time?
Adywan,
Would you consider re-editing the Death Star chasm scene so that it appears Luke throws the grappling hook twice, missing the first time?
this was something that i was thinking of adding into the movie when everything was just in the initial planning stages but was scrapped before i started any work on it. So this won't be appearing in the final edit.
Adywan,
Thanks for admitting that. It makes me feel slightly less like a complete ass.
(Man, you guys came down hard on me for that one.)
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
We still love ya, man!!
We still love ya, man!!
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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One thing, though, that hasn't really been mentioned about the preview clip you put up: lightsabers. Overall, they're all right, but there's something about them -- particularly the clip of Obi-Wan in the Cantina -- that is bothering me. Now, it may be the compression -- you've mentioned that that has distorted some other things, as well, and that once we see them at full DVD resolution, we'll be satisfied. However, I was noticing that the glows seemed a little grainy/painted on, as opposed to really glow-y. I ended up taking a frame that I thought showed what I meant (here) and brought it into Photoshop to see what I could do. Turns out that it's a little harder than I thought to get this frame to look right (I ended up not doing as good a job as I would have liked, especially since I'm a little out of practice, it turns out. You can see what I tried here though -- yours is left untouched in the middle, and the ones on the right and left are mine, each attempting a different look with color, glow size, etc.) -- and I'm thinking that a big part of it had to do with the compression. Once I was examining the frame up-close, the minute problems I had seen appeared to be pixelizations and other artifacts that I'm guessing came from the compression.
Anyhoo, the main reason that I'm bringing this up is because I just want to ensure that the things I'm seeing are indeed from the compression, and not because of the way you are re-doing the lightsaber glows. Would it be possible to post some full-resolution frames (I'm guessing that others might want some of those, from some of the other sections of the film that have been already discussed) to check, or at least an assurance from you? The thing is, if it is your rotoscoping method, then it's something that can be tweaked before the release (either by you, or by someone else doing it -- I might be able to give it a shot, for example, if you wanted me to). But if it's just the compression, then there's nothing to worry about.
As I said, I've loved the things you've been doing with this film. And as lightsabers are something from the films that are close to my heart, I want to make sure they're as perfect as possible (unlike the 2004 DVDs, unfortunately -- some frames were beautiful, and the rest . . . well, you guys know all about that already, I'm sure).
What do you all think?
Take care,
Sojourn
P.S. For example, that shot (of Obi-Wan in the cantina) in the 2004 DVDs was all right, lightsaber-wise. They went for a more Episode III-ish glow, but it wasn't washed out like some of the others in the 2004 set. But do you see how -- in the frame of Luke practicing with the remote, from your first post in this thread -- the blue doesn't look as much like a glow as it looks like it was painted on?
P.P.S. Again, just some thoughts. Please don't take this as an attack in any way, Adywan -- as I said, I'm absolutely loving what you're doing here. Your work is really to be commended. All the best!
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I saw mentions of donations and what not.... can I still donate money or anything towards this project?
Looking forward to seeing whatelse is planned on this. Great stuff ADYWAN.
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Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
I don't remember seeing this mentioned and I thot I'd ask, are you removing the incestual bits of the movie?
I don't remember seeing this mentioned and I thot I'd ask, are you removing the incestual bits of the movie?
What is there in SW that is incestuous? Leia giving Luck a quick peck "for luck"? No. Big. Deal. Now, maybe one could take issue with the kiss in TESB. But this never bothered me, perhaps because I know the actors aren't related so it isn't truly "gross". I dunno.
To adywan: I checked over a few of your lists of changes and didn't anything about this: When Obi-Wan raises his saber to concede to Vader, the long shot lacks his face peaking out from his hood, which it what it was doing in the close-up. Will this be fixed? I must say my greatest disappointment upon first seeing the SE was that this shot still looked bad to me.
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Adywan, in the disco-themed preview clip you omitted the shot of Ponda Baba's severed arm. I believe this was done intentially to avoid showing the bloody arm which contradicts the cauterization that is typical of a lightsaber wound throughout the saga. Would it be possible to simply show the arm without panning over to see the bloody end of it? That way Luke's visual reaction (his look downward) has a tangible object.
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And after seeing the other movies, I look back and twinge at every googley-eyed look he gives her, the kiss for luck, and when he gets pissed at Han for liking her, but it was just a question about his edit, it's not gonna kill anybody either way.
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Originally posted by: Sojourn
One thing, though, that hasn't really been mentioned about the preview clip you put up: lightsabers. Overall, they're all right, but there's something about them -- particularly the clip of Obi-Wan in the Cantina -- that is bothering me. Now, it may be the compression -- you've mentioned that that has distorted some other things, as well, and that once we see them at full DVD resolution, we'll be satisfied. However, I was noticing that the glows seemed a little grainy/painted on, as opposed to really glow-y.
Would it be possible to post some full-resolution frames to check, or at least an assurance from you?
Here's a couple of uncompressed frames:
This has never bothered me in ANH because it can be seen as though he is just being a protective brother. And don't forget that there have been many cases in real life that a brother and sister feel attracted to each other when they first meet without realising that they are related, so i think George pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. I may be toning down the kiss in ESB a bit though.
Originally posted by: demomanTNA
I saw mentions of donations and what not.... can I still donate money or anything towards this project?
One thing, though, that hasn't really been mentioned about the preview clip you put up: lightsabers. Overall, they're all right, but there's something about them -- particularly the clip of Obi-Wan in the Cantina -- that is bothering me. Now, it may be the compression -- you've mentioned that that has distorted some other things, as well, and that once we see them at full DVD resolution, we'll be satisfied. However, I was noticing that the glows seemed a little grainy/painted on, as opposed to really glow-y.
Would it be possible to post some full-resolution frames to check, or at least an assurance from you?
Here's a couple of uncompressed frames:
Originally posted by: Sojourn
But do you see how -- in the frame of Luke practicing with the remote, from your first post in this thread -- the blue doesn't look as much like a glow as it looks like it was painted on?
The shots in my first post were just prototype examples and were not what the finished shots will look like.
I left out that shot on purpose because this shot isn't finished yet. I'm building a new hand to add into the shot and i have removed the blood and cauterized the wound. I'm going to finish this shot afte Christmas when i have a bit more space and time to build the hand.
Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
I don't remember seeing this mentioned and I thot I'd ask, are you removing the incestual bits of the movie?
But do you see how -- in the frame of Luke practicing with the remote, from your first post in this thread -- the blue doesn't look as much like a glow as it looks like it was painted on?
The shots in my first post were just prototype examples and were not what the finished shots will look like.
Originally posted by: auximenies
Adywan, in the disco-themed preview clip you omitted the shot of Ponda Baba's severed arm. I believe this was done intentially to avoid showing the bloody arm which contradicts the cauterization that is typical of a lightsaber wound throughout the saga. Would it be possible to simply show the arm without panning over to see the bloody end of it? That way Luke's visual reaction (his look downward) has a tangible object.
Adywan, in the disco-themed preview clip you omitted the shot of Ponda Baba's severed arm. I believe this was done intentially to avoid showing the bloody arm which contradicts the cauterization that is typical of a lightsaber wound throughout the saga. Would it be possible to simply show the arm without panning over to see the bloody end of it? That way Luke's visual reaction (his look downward) has a tangible object.
I left out that shot on purpose because this shot isn't finished yet. I'm building a new hand to add into the shot and i have removed the blood and cauterized the wound. I'm going to finish this shot afte Christmas when i have a bit more space and time to build the hand.
Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
I don't remember seeing this mentioned and I thot I'd ask, are you removing the incestual bits of the movie?
This has never bothered me in ANH because it can be seen as though he is just being a protective brother. And don't forget that there have been many cases in real life that a brother and sister feel attracted to each other when they first meet without realising that they are related, so i think George pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. I may be toning down the kiss in ESB a bit though.
Originally posted by: demomanTNA
I saw mentions of donations and what not.... can I still donate money or anything towards this project?
Yes i am still taking donations so i can get the second hard drive needed.
Ok, a quick update on how things are going. Colour correction is now fully completed & I have just over an hour of finished footage, with all the new effects, completed. I've toned down the cantina aliens in a few shots, theres a new docking bay 94 that now looks less like the half built Falcon is against a wall, all effect shots of the escape from Tatooine have been redone including giving the falcon cockpit the missing middle strut.
i'm having a few days break from effects shots and have been playing about with the sound, mainly Vaders. i've been tweaking it to try and get it to sound closer to the rest of the trilogy than it does now. Heres a quick clip:
edit: REMOVED LINK BECAUSE I POSTED THE WRONG CLIP.
The first section is how is sounds on the 2004 DVDs and the second is the new voice. This is only a rough version without all the ambient effects and i still have more filtering and levels to sort out yet (Vaders a little too quiet), but it should give you some idea of how Vader will sound in my version.
Well thats about it from me for now, i would just like to wish everyone here a Merry Christmas and hope you all have a great New Year.
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. . . one thing, though -- the glow on Luke's, in the top one, looks just the teensiest bit off, as though it had been tilted slightly to the right. It's a bit difficult to see, but it looks like it might be better placed if it was rotated slightly to the left. Either way, though, it still looks great -- I just figured that if you were going for an "every frame must be perfect" mentality, you might want to change that direction slightly.
Again, I hope you know I'm only doing this because I love what you're doing so much! I'm really really excited for this edit -- this is very likely going to become my definitive version of ANH!
Take care,
Sojourn
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Originally posted by: auximenies
I checked over a few of your lists of changes and didn't anything about this: When Obi-Wan raises his saber to concede to Vader, the long shot lacks his face peaking out from his hood, which it what it was doing in the close-up. Will this be fixed? I must say my greatest disappointment upon first seeing the SE was that this shot still looked bad to me.
I checked over a few of your lists of changes and didn't anything about this: When Obi-Wan raises his saber to concede to Vader, the long shot lacks his face peaking out from his hood, which it what it was doing in the close-up. Will this be fixed? I must say my greatest disappointment upon first seeing the SE was that this shot still looked bad to me.
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Originally posted by: auximenies
Adywan, thanks for the update. What about this thing?:
Adywan, thanks for the update. What about this thing?:
Originally posted by: auximenies
I checked over a few of your lists of changes and didn't anything about this: When Obi-Wan raises his saber to concede to Vader, the long shot lacks his face peaking out from his hood, which it what it was doing in the close-up. Will this be fixed? I must say my greatest disappointment upon first seeing the SE was that this shot still looked bad to me.
I checked over a few of your lists of changes and didn't anything about this: When Obi-Wan raises his saber to concede to Vader, the long shot lacks his face peaking out from his hood, which it what it was doing in the close-up. Will this be fixed? I must say my greatest disappointment upon first seeing the SE was that this shot still looked bad to me.
Yeh i have fixed this one by replacing obi-wan so it doesn't look like a dummy anymore.
oh, and please ignore the vader voice clip. i've posted the wrong clip.
. i added the partially renderd backing track for vader instead of the full version and uploaded that version instead. trust me, Vader will sound nothing like that when completed. the reason i'm tweaking it is because i feel that it lacks the depth that his voice has in the rest of the trilogy. it still just doesn't sound right in ANH to me. - Time
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Originally posted by: adywan
oh, and please ignore the vader voice clip. i've posted the wrong clip. . i added the partially renderd backing track for vader instead of the full version and uploaded that version instead. trust me, Vader will sound nothing like that when completed. the reason i'm tweaking it is because i feel that it lacks the depth that his voice has in the rest of the trilogy. it still just doesn't sound right in ANH to me.
oh, and please ignore the vader voice clip. i've posted the wrong clip.
. i added the partially renderd backing track for vader instead of the full version and uploaded that version instead. trust me, Vader will sound nothing like that when completed. the reason i'm tweaking it is because i feel that it lacks the depth that his voice has in the rest of the trilogy. it still just doesn't sound right in ANH to me. Is that the new "final" Vader voice that you used in your "ANH Test" clip posted back in the beginnig of November? (That was the one with the awesome Death Star intro and the Imperial Conference.) If so, I really liked Vader's voice in that! It was nice and bassy.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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I had a read through the entire thread and the only other comment I had is:
Originally posted by: adywan
Changed the line "there'll be no escape for the princess this time" to just "there'll be no escape this time" because when luke sees the hologram 3P0 doesn't know who she is.
Changed the line "there'll be no escape for the princess this time" to just "there'll be no escape this time" because when luke sees the hologram 3P0 doesn't know who she is.
Could this possibly be changed to "There'll be no escape for the Captain this time", this is how the line appearded in earlier scripts and the novelization (and maybe the radio play), obviously this refers to Captain Antillies the droids master, it just makes much more sense and will probably be less jarring to hear than your abreviated version (not that I've heard it).
Keep up the good work, can't wait to see more progress.
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Is that the new "final" Vader voice that you used in your "ANH Test" clip posted back in the beginnig of November? (That was the one with the awesome Death Star intro and the Imperial Conference.) If so, I really liked Vader's voice in that! It was nice and bassy.
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enjoy and MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR
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