Originally posted by: lordjedi
That´s right. Because we are actually very critical of ourselves. I never said we are perfect. We do a lot of mistakes, too. Whoopie-doo!
I'll continue to go off topic as long as you continue to make grossly invalid statements in an "us" vs "them" tone.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Absolutely not. Very few scientists still believe Global Warming is NOT caused by human mistakes. This is the general consensus which can be read everywhere. Only in America, people have still doubt about it. Some of you even still have doubt in evolution theory...
I'm sure I can dig up plenty of crap about Germany. I just don't see the necessity to do it.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Of course. I trust my own eyes. I know the difference between living in the USA and living in Europe/Germany. You are the one trying to debate by quoting MSNBC articles.
If you'd bother to spend a few minutes googling around about the stuff you posted about, you'd see that you've got most of it wrong.
Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Believe me, no matter what I would do here, I couldn't convince you. You choose to wear pink glasses over a critical view, and national pride over common sense. Fine. I guess you have to learn it the hard way.
You haven't actually done any research on what you've posted about.
Originall posted by: Vigo
Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!
I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....
Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.
Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!
Subway is good for you (leave off the mayo and mustard). Out of all the fast food places mentioned, Subway is probably the best place to eat. The proof is actually better than "Super-Size-Me". One takes a look at personal responsibility (Jared and Subway). The other takes a look at just taking everything fast food has to offer. The only thing "Super-Size-Me" proved is that as long as people don't even try to control themselves, they'll get bigger. Some other lady actually managed to lose weight on an all McDonald's diet, so take "Super-Size-Me" with a huge grain of salt.
Ummm... McDonald's Diet??? *LOL* Yes, one BigMac per day and a diet coke makes you healthy, wealthy and wise...
I can´t imagine how big the laughter would be if McDonald's would try such a marketing gag here.
Nevertheless, it's funny how fast McDonald's reacted to Super-Size-Me by introducing salads, trying to shake off the negative image. Imagine, SALADS!!!!! WHAT AN INNOVATION!!!
McDonald's diet. Two people lost about 30 pounds each, eating nothing but McDonald's.
So what? What does that prove? If you count calories, you can lose weight everywhere, right. But, why are many Americans not doing this? Simple, food is cheap and in plenty of masses available in America. McDonald´s and all other fast food chains' marketing is all about this, selling chunks of food. This is why you are a nation of overweights.
McDonald's had salads for years before Super-Size-Me came out.
Yeah, but they were not really advertized. Advertizing for the salads went up big time after the movie came out. And they added plenty of new salads to their program.
The only thing Super-Size-Me did was make McDonald's try to inform people more about their salads. They're not trying to shake off a negative image from Super-Size-
Me, they're trying to avoid a lawsuit, something people love doing in this country.
Ummm, you are contradicting yourself right now. Apparantly, of course they want to inform people about their salads. Why? Because they care for the health of people? Because they think people like salads more than hamburgers? No! Becasue they want to avoid lawsuits. Public relations. Image.
True, because in the end, it affects us all alike. This is why it is my DUTY to discuss it with you boneheads! "Oh no, he called us boneheads!!!!! What an insult!!!! Jehova!"
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I don't really have anything on topic to say, I'm just getting tired of seeing your constant ignorance toward what goes on in the U.S. Sure, I may not know much about what goes on in Germany, but you don't see me posting a bunch of negative talking points that I've heard on the news or talk radio.
How can you say I´m being ignorant if you admit that all the reference points you have is, in fact, only your own country?
Because you are being ignorant.
Wow! What an argument!
Before, I thought you were making statements based on facts. Now, I can tell your statements are only based on negative talking points.
Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!
I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....
Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.
Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!
Subway is good for you (leave off the mayo and mustard). Out of all the fast food places mentioned, Subway is probably the best place to eat. The proof is actually better than "Super-Size-Me". One takes a look at personal responsibility (Jared and Subway). The other takes a look at just taking everything fast food has to offer. The only thing "Super-Size-Me" proved is that as long as people don't even try to control themselves, they'll get bigger. Some other lady actually managed to lose weight on an all McDonald's diet, so take "Super-Size-Me" with a huge grain of salt.
Ummm... McDonald's Diet??? *LOL* Yes, one BigMac per day and a diet coke makes you healthy, wealthy and wise...
I can´t imagine how big the laughter would be if McDonald's would try such a marketing gag here.Nevertheless, it's funny how fast McDonald's reacted to Super-Size-Me by introducing salads, trying to shake off the negative image. Imagine, SALADS!!!!! WHAT AN INNOVATION!!!
McDonald's diet. Two people lost about 30 pounds each, eating nothing but McDonald's.
So what? What does that prove? If you count calories, you can lose weight everywhere, right. But, why are many Americans not doing this? Simple, food is cheap and in plenty of masses available in America. McDonald´s and all other fast food chains' marketing is all about this, selling chunks of food. This is why you are a nation of overweights.
McDonald's had salads for years before Super-Size-Me came out.
Yeah, but they were not really advertized. Advertizing for the salads went up big time after the movie came out. And they added plenty of new salads to their program.
The only thing Super-Size-Me did was make McDonald's try to inform people more about their salads. They're not trying to shake off a negative image from Super-Size-
Me, they're trying to avoid a lawsuit, something people love doing in this country.
Ummm, you are contradicting yourself right now. Apparantly, of course they want to inform people about their salads. Why? Because they care for the health of people? Because they think people like salads more than hamburgers? No! Becasue they want to avoid lawsuits. Public relations. Image.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Which makes it even worse.
And if you talk facts, you Americans should know better than us Germans what effect global warming can cause........ There you have your "facts".
This isn't a "Europe" vs "America" thing.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I'm sure someone can name 5 or 6 German restaurants that if people ate at uncontrollably would cause the same problem. Remember, it doesn't matter if you eat at a nice restaurant or a fast food place, you can still get fat from eating to much fatty foods.
We don´t have our own fast food chains. The only fast food chains here are American. We used to have one (Wiener Wald), but it fell into obscurity when McDonald´s became popular among the youth here in the 80's and 90's.
Nevertheless, the most popular fast food in Germany is Turkish, and called Döner Kebap. Not the Bratwurst.....
And I sincerely hope you don't compare Restaurants here with fast food chains. I don't know what Restaurants you have over there...
I was not talking about fast food chains exclusively. I wasn't comparing them with restaurants either. I was simply making the statement that you could in fact do the same thing (gain lots of weight) by only eating out at restaurants if you don't pay attention to what you eat. It doesn't matter where you eat the junk food if that's all you're eating.
Yeah, absolutely right. But: you are missing the point. America has a huge overweight problem. I saw it myself with my own eyes. More than average number of people weighting at least 250-300 pounds. And: it´s not only the masses of food you are producing/consuming. It´s what you actually put in the food. Sweet Sodas with high fructose sugar. Yum! Sweet muffins with tons of sugar in it. Deep fried bread with lots of fat. I tried it myself when I was in the USA, because my colleague told me that when he visited the USA and stayed for 3 months, he actually gained pounds without eating more. Believe it, or don´t believe it. >I< know what I experienced.
Huh? You admitted yourself that your Congress did not approve it. I clearly interpret this as huge ignorance and shortsightedness.
There are plenty of differing schools of thought on what's causing global warming and vehicle emissions are but one of them.
Yes, your government loves to citate those very few scientists left in the minority, who still doubt that global warming is caused by industrialization.... Do I see lots of $$$ bills from Industry lobbies? Nah....
Don't just watch the "documentary", go investigate the facts for yourself. Every scientists here knows just as much as all the nations in Europe know about global warming too.
I'm sure someone can name 5 or 6 German restaurants that if people ate at uncontrollably would cause the same problem. Remember, it doesn't matter if you eat at a nice restaurant or a fast food place, you can still get fat from eating to much fatty foods.
We don´t have our own fast food chains. The only fast food chains here are American. We used to have one (Wiener Wald), but it fell into obscurity when McDonald´s became popular among the youth here in the 80's and 90's.
Nevertheless, the most popular fast food in Germany is Turkish, and called Döner Kebap. Not the Bratwurst.....
And I sincerely hope you don't compare Restaurants here with fast food chains. I don't know what Restaurants you have over there...
I was not talking about fast food chains exclusively. I wasn't comparing them with restaurants either. I was simply making the statement that you could in fact do the same thing (gain lots of weight) by only eating out at restaurants if you don't pay attention to what you eat. It doesn't matter where you eat the junk food if that's all you're eating.
Yeah, absolutely right. But: you are missing the point. America has a huge overweight problem. I saw it myself with my own eyes. More than average number of people weighting at least 250-300 pounds. And: it´s not only the masses of food you are producing/consuming. It´s what you actually put in the food. Sweet Sodas with high fructose sugar. Yum! Sweet muffins with tons of sugar in it. Deep fried bread with lots of fat. I tried it myself when I was in the USA, because my colleague told me that when he visited the USA and stayed for 3 months, he actually gained pounds without eating more. Believe it, or don´t believe it. >I< know what I experienced.
Originally posted by: Vigo
LOL. Again, you're basing your comments on a Michael Moore esque documentary.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I guess I expected a little better from you Vigo. Do some real research on the Kyoto treaty to see who the real gross polluters are (hint: it's not the U.S.) before you go spouting off about it. It's meant to cut emissions from "industrialized nations", but since China is still considered a third world nation, they get to continue to pollute as much as they want, even though they're one of the worst polluters on the planet right now.
From a European perspective, both the USA and China are the big polluters, you are right. China is a 2nd world nation, and yes, they are indeed about to surpass you both in economical power and of course environmental pollution. So again, sorry if I have been sooo hard to Americans.
Just look at the gas prices you had when I was in San Francisco in October this year. 2,35$ per gallon!!!! Do you know how expensive fuel here in Europe is? 7$!!!!!! Look at the cars you drive. You are literally throwing energy away and flushing it down the toilet! Why? Because you can still afford it. Driving an American car in Germany is ridiculously expensive.
Yeah, because 50% of your gas price is tax. Take away all those taxes and our gas prices start to become about the same.
Yuppie-doo! Yes, of course. But again, you are missing the point: we can not afford to drive huge, wasteful cars. Now, what do you think, is the reaction from our automotive Industry and the people to those restrictions? Hmmm, can you figure that out yourself?
So what if we drive big cars. Yeah, maybe people shouldn't be driving around in giant cars that they don't need, but they're free to do that.
Yes, you are free to do that, Yuppie-doo! Like a real American, you don´t need foreign strangers talking to your senses, who just want to take your cars away, because they are MEAN, and Anti-American!
It hits them in the pocket book everytime they fill up. I'm sure I can buy a car here that wouldn't be "ridiculously expensive" to drive over there. I obviously wouldn't buy an SUV though.
Did you actually got my point at all? Again: huge and wasteful cars are expensive, you seem to have figured that out. Now, what do they do, too, if they are wasteful, hmm?
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
And you might want to do some homework on the whole "ignoring thing" since we never fully approved it here (Clinton signed it, Congress did not approve it).
Congratulations. That´s why Americans need movies like "An Inconvenient Truth", which explain facts that almost every nation in Europe knew 20-25 years ago. And yet, a lot of you seem to believe it is just a pro Gore, pro democratic propaganda plot.
I guess I expected a little better from you Vigo. Do some real research on the Kyoto treaty to see who the real gross polluters are (hint: it's not the U.S.) before you go spouting off about it. It's meant to cut emissions from "industrialized nations", but since China is still considered a third world nation, they get to continue to pollute as much as they want, even though they're one of the worst polluters on the planet right now.
From a European perspective, both the USA and China are the big polluters, you are right. China is a 2nd world nation, and yes, they are indeed about to surpass you both in economical power and of course environmental pollution. So again, sorry if I have been sooo hard to Americans.
Just look at the gas prices you had when I was in San Francisco in October this year. 2,35$ per gallon!!!! Do you know how expensive fuel here in Europe is? 7$!!!!!! Look at the cars you drive. You are literally throwing energy away and flushing it down the toilet! Why? Because you can still afford it. Driving an American car in Germany is ridiculously expensive.
Yeah, because 50% of your gas price is tax. Take away all those taxes and our gas prices start to become about the same.
Yuppie-doo! Yes, of course. But again, you are missing the point: we can not afford to drive huge, wasteful cars. Now, what do you think, is the reaction from our automotive Industry and the people to those restrictions? Hmmm, can you figure that out yourself?
So what if we drive big cars. Yeah, maybe people shouldn't be driving around in giant cars that they don't need, but they're free to do that.
Yes, you are free to do that, Yuppie-doo! Like a real American, you don´t need foreign strangers talking to your senses, who just want to take your cars away, because they are MEAN, and Anti-American!
It hits them in the pocket book everytime they fill up. I'm sure I can buy a car here that wouldn't be "ridiculously expensive" to drive over there. I obviously wouldn't buy an SUV though.
Did you actually got my point at all? Again: huge and wasteful cars are expensive, you seem to have figured that out. Now, what do they do, too, if they are wasteful, hmm?
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
And you might want to do some homework on the whole "ignoring thing" since we never fully approved it here (Clinton signed it, Congress did not approve it).
Congratulations. That´s why Americans need movies like "An Inconvenient Truth", which explain facts that almost every nation in Europe knew 20-25 years ago. And yet, a lot of you seem to believe it is just a pro Gore, pro democratic propaganda plot.
LOL. Again, you're basing your comments on a Michael Moore esque documentary.
Huh? You admitted yourself that your Congress did not approve it. I clearly interpret this as huge ignorance and shortsightedness.
There are plenty of differing schools of thought on what's causing global warming and vehicle emissions are but one of them.
Yes, your government loves to citate those very few scientists left in the minority, who still doubt that global warming is caused by industrialization.... Do I see lots of $$$ bills from Industry lobbies? Nah....
Don't just watch the "documentary", go investigate the facts for yourself. Every scientists here knows just as much as all the nations in Europe know about global warming too.
Which makes it even worse.
And if you talk facts, you Americans should know better than us Germans what effect global warming can cause........ There you have your "facts".This isn't a "Europe" vs "America" thing.
True, because in the end, it affects us all alike. This is why it is my DUTY to discuss it with you boneheads! "Oh no, he called us boneheads!!!!! What an insult!!!! Jehova!"
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I don't really have anything on topic to say, I'm just getting tired of seeing your constant ignorance toward what goes on in the U.S. Sure, I may not know much about what goes on in Germany, but you don't see me posting a bunch of negative talking points that I've heard on the news or talk radio.
How can you say I´m being ignorant if you admit that all the reference points you have is, in fact, only your own country?
Because you are being ignorant.
Wow! What an argument!
Before, I thought you were making statements based on facts. Now, I can tell your statements are only based on negative talking points.
Believe me, no matter what I would do here, I couldn't convince you. You choose to wear pink glasses over a critical view, and national pride over common sense. Fine. I guess you have to learn it the hard way.
You haven't actually done any research on what you've posted about.
Of course. I trust my own eyes. I know the difference between living in the USA and living in Europe/Germany. You are the one trying to debate by quoting MSNBC articles.
If you'd bother to spend a few minutes googling around about the stuff you posted about, you'd see that you've got most of it wrong.
Absolutely not. Very few scientists still believe Global Warming is NOT caused by human mistakes. This is the general consensus which can be read everywhere. Only in America, people have still doubt about it. Some of you even still have doubt in evolution theory...
I'm sure I can dig up plenty of crap about Germany. I just don't see the necessity to do it.
That´s right. Because we are actually very critical of ourselves. I never said we are perfect. We do a lot of mistakes, too. Whoopie-doo!
I'll continue to go off topic as long as you continue to make grossly invalid statements in an "us" vs "them" tone.
And this is the sad part. YOu fail to realize that most of the things we are discussing here affect us all.