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Originally posted by: BeeJay During nine years, many things can happen. More grime can stick itself to the film, (nothing is perfect, even the most safest things get damaged,) and the restored scenes they did for the SE could've been lost inside of the computers. Why not go back and start fresh? That has to be what the plan is.


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Do yourself a favor and stop imagining all the different ways LFL could of lost or damaged the film.....all your doing is spewing rumor and made up theories......please stop.

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Originally posted by: Mielr

Sorry Vigo, but you don't get to say things like "You are probably American, and will most probably never set foot on another continent besides your own. And if you do, the first thing you will do is heading to the next McDonald´s, avoiding exposure to too much foreign culture mixing up your precious little brain." and then try to avoid responsibility for what you've said by saying something lame like "sorry if I offended anyone".

Yeah, I´m really avoiding responsibility here. By saying that Germans, like every other nation, also has "bad traits" etc... You are agnry at me, ok fine, I can understand that. I realize I deserve it. But you are seriously wrong if you say that I am making it easy for myself now.


You made a gross generalization about Americans, and my response to you was way more polite than it should have been

Well, go ahead an be unpolite. I like honesty more than politeness. Other people obviously feel the other way around. And if you think that I´m gross, well, maybe I am, but perhaps maybe it is also true that you are taking yourself too fucking important right now. No one is perfect. Your nation is not perfect, my nation is not perfect. We both can be sterotyped in a certain way.

Now go ahead, hate me, if you feel better now! I for instance, don't hate you.

What a stupid assumption that if you mock and make fun of something, you atomatically hate it...


, and yet instead of apologizing, you went on to hurl some more insults at Americans?

Well, as I said again, nobody likes to be critized. Nobody likes other people holding up a mirror in front of you.

Again, I apologize to you. However, nevertheless, I stand by my statement that there is at least some truth in everything. If you can´t handle this, well, then I am truly sorry for you.


I don't assume that all Germans are Nazis, (and I've been to Germany, BTW, and my Grandfather was of German extraction- although he still fought in WWII to defend Europe against the Nazis), and I find it as offensive for you to call Americans "ignorant" as I'm sure you do for someone to refer to Germans as "Nazis".

I never said Americans are ignorant. I said Amiericans tend to be ignorant about the world >around< them. THIS IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. A VERY HUGE DIFFERENCE. If you fail to realize these small, but important nuances in my statement, so be it. Go on, hate me. Hate makes you strong! Only your hate can destroy me now! Either you are with us or against us! Black or white! Zero or one! Friend or enemy!! American or Anti-American!!!


(Also, yes, you got something "serious wrong". Canadians are NOT referred to as "Americans" they are "Canadians". Mexicans also live in North America, and are referred to as "Mexicans"). Maybe if you had ever set foot in Canada or Mexico you would know that.

Of course I know that. Funny you automatically assume I wouldn´t know that. But you all are living on the American continent. And YOU are a citizen of the United States of America. Of course you could call Germans Germans, but you could also call us Europeans. But by saying you are European, you are not automatically assuming that the person you are talking to is German, French, English, Polish, etc... Whatever nation you think of. On the other hand, if I say "Americans", everyone assumes that citizens of the USA are adressed. Maybe it´s my weird Old-European(tm) thinking of different nations living together peacefully on the same continent, and treated equally, messing my brain up here.


It's too damn bad if you don't like George W. Bush - what he has to do with someone correcting your spelling I guess makes sense only in your own brain.


I didn´t say that. You do it now. By walking, simplifying and generalizing everything I wrote in the last posts. Okay, perhaps I deserve it, since I apparently was generalizing, too.


Originally posted by: Vigo
Well, telling a fat lady that she is, in fact, fat, is an insult, correct. A honest one, though.

...and would be extremely cruel and rude.


Rude, yes. But why cruel? You know what is in fact REALLY cruel? People talking behind your back! Smiling towards you, holding the knife behind them. YOu surely would like that, wouldn't you?


Originally posted by: bigmonkey20
I guess in Vigo's mind, we're all fat, lazy and ignorant.


Originally posted by: Vigo
Statistically, you are in fact the "fattest" nation on the planet. Everything concerning food coming from your culture is "fat fat fat". Does this say that all of you are fat?

Someone who comes from the country that invented bratwurst has a lot of nerve criticizing "fat" American food.


Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!

I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....

Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.


Originally posted by: VigoDid I say that all Americans are ignorant? Now YOU are being ignorant. An ignorant American. See what I mean?

And you are an ignorant German. See what I mean? Don't be offended, though!


Yes I am very offended now. You insulted me and broke my heart. I mean, I AM SUPPOSED TO BE IGNORANT??? I AM PERFECT!!! Yes, PERRRRFECT. Look at my beauty!

See what I mean?
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As far as I'm concerned, the OOT has not seen a dvd release. Hopefully it will some day.

Hey, it took some other movies from Star Wars's era a long while to see decent dvd releases.

The original Dune dvd from '98 was non-anamorphic and single layer. Earlier this year they finally released a new dvd with a new transfer for both it and the longer television version, both dual layer, both anamorphic. It's all on one DVD-18.

The old Blade Runner dvd, while anamorphic, looks horrible by today's standards. It was only single layer and the picture itself had many issues to begin with. Again, this year also saw it getting updated with a new transfer on a dual layer disc.

Yet another update this year was the Brazil dvd. The old disc was non-anamorphic but this was finally reissued by Criterion.

Even "The Doors," a frequently used example of non-anamorphic dvd releases, is also finally getting an update.

Lucas just might make Star Wars part of a rather exclusive club....
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
As far as I'm concerned, the OOT has not seen a dvd release. Hopefully it will some day.


Why don't you believe the OOT had a proper release in September of this year?

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Originally posted by: BeeJayWhy don't you believe the OOT had a proper release in September of this year?


Look at posts on these threads from on or after May 18th and you'll know why.

Labeling it as bonus content was one thing, fine, so we also have to buy the SE when we buy the original unaltereds. But that same press release from May 3rd also had Jim Ward saying, and I quote "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD. This is something that we're very excited to be able to give to fans in response to their continuing enthusiasm for Star Wars."

Sorry, but I really don't think they had to do all that much searching for a few master tapes from 1993. That line about our "continuing enthusiasm for Star Wars" makes it seem like none of us want the OOT on dvd for any reason beyond nostalgia and that we'll accept whatever quality it's in. To remind everyone here that I'm criticizing quality of presentation, not content, the SE is presented in anamorphic widescreen just like every other widescreen movie ever made is expected to be, but the OOT is not!

To give the altered version the expected standard treatment and to give the original unaltered a substandard treatment is not fair at all, is it?
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei(*all prior texts taken into account*) To give the altered version the expected standard treatment and to give the original unaltered a substandard treatment is not fair at all, is it?


It is somewhat fair, though. Depending on whether a Star Wars fan likes widescreen or anamorphic, it remains relative. For instance: the 2004 DVD's might bother some fans because they were not letterbox widescreen. There has to be fans out there who are equally as disappointed with the 2004 release as many of you are disappointed with the 2006 OOT release (not for the movie changes, but from the POV of letterbox VS anamorphic)

I really like how on some DVD's, they give you the option of if you want FS or WS. A matter of preference determines what we as individuals will choose to watch.

What I'm saying, is that even if the September 2006 OOT was presented in anamorphic widescreen, there no doubt some would be fans on here talking about the disappointment they feel that it wasn't letterbox widescreen. Maybe Lucas chose it that way to fulfill the needs of letterbox fans? The altered OT was all anamorphic widescreen, so he had already appealed to anamorphic fans. Why not be more fair to everyone by also presenting something unique (the OOT finally on DVD) inside of letterbox format?


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BeeJay,

what the frell are you talking about? "Fans" of letterbox widescreen???!? Huh?

Please share some of what you are smoking.
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Yeah... BeeJay, I think you're a little confused there as to the nature of "letterboxed" widescreen vs. "anamorphic" widescreen. I really doubt any fans of the '04 set is complaining about it not being presented in a technically inferior manner that makes it harder to watch on widescreen TVs.

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BeeJay's been hitting the liquor cabinet a little early this year....

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Back on topic...

Originally posted by: BeeJay
Originally posted by: Fang Zei(*all prior texts taken into account*) To give the altered version the expected standard treatment and to give the original unaltered a substandard treatment is not fair at all, is it?

It is somewhat fair, though. Depending on whether a Star Wars fan likes widescreen or anamorphic, it remains relative. For instance: the 2004 DVD's might bother some fans because they were not letterbox widescreen. There has to be fans out there who are equally as disappointed with the 2004 release as many of you are disappointed with the 2006 OOT release (not for the movie changes, but from the POV of letterbox VS anamorphic)

Huh??? Umm, why should there be fans of letterbox widescreen? You get it automatically when you set your DVD player to 4:3 letterbox mode. The player downscales the picture then, so that anamorphic discs look correct on 4:3 TV sets.


I really like how on some DVD's, they give you the option of if you want FS or WS. A matter of preference determines what we as individuals will choose to watch.

Fullscreen is something completely different than letterbox. Fullscreen is a full 4:3 picture using the whole 720x480 resolution. Letterbox is a non 4:3 picture formatted for a 4:3 TV at 720x480.


What I'm saying, is that even if the September 2006 OOT was presented in anamorphic widescreen, there no doubt some would be fans on here talking about the disappointment they feel that it wasn't letterbox widescreen.


Perhaps only to those who know shit about video formats, and fail to set their DVD player to 4:3 letterbox mode.....


Maybe Lucas chose it that way to fulfill the needs of letterbox fans?


To fulfil the need of "letterbox fans" (who is a fan of lower resolution?), you just have to configure the DVD player correctly.


The altered OT was all anamorphic widescreen, so he had already appealed to anamorphic fans.


Eugh... What a gibberish nonsense are you talking here???


Why not be more fair to everyone by also presenting something unique (the OOT finally on DVD) inside of letterbox format?


????

Seriously, are you on drugs?
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Oh God....I just had a terrible thought....BeeJay=Boris........somebody kill me now.

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You know this thread is just spiraling out of control- I just wanted to understand how the OOT DVD could be made state of the art in 1993 in an era of HD and widescreen TV
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Originall posted by: Vigo

Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!

I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....

Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.


Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Originall posted by: Vigo

Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!

I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....

Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.


Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!


Subway is good for you (leave off the mayo and mustard). Out of all the fast food places mentioned, Subway is probably the best place to eat. The proof is actually better than "Super-Size-Me". One takes a look at personal responsibility (Jared and Subway). The other takes a look at just taking everything fast food has to offer. The only thing "Super-Size-Me" proved is that as long as people don't even try to control themselves, they'll get bigger. Some other lady actually managed to lose weight on an all McDonald's diet, so take "Super-Size-Me" with a huge grain of salt.

I'm sure someone can name 5 or 6 German restaurants that if people ate at uncontrollably would cause the same problem. Remember, it doesn't matter if you eat at a nice restaurant or a fast food place, you can still get fat from eating to much fatty foods.

I guess I expected a little better from you Vigo. Do some real research on the Kyoto treaty to see who the real gross polluters are (hint: it's not the U.S.) before you go spouting off about it. It's meant to cut emissions from "industrialized nations", but since China is still considered a third world nation, they get to continue to pollute as much as they want, even though they're one of the worst polluters on the planet right now. And you might want to do some homework on the whole "ignoring thing" since we never fully approved it here (Clinton signed it, Congress did not approve it).

I don't really have anything on topic to say, I'm just getting tired of seeing your constant ignorance toward what goes on in the U.S. Sure, I may not know much about what goes on in Germany, but you don't see me posting a bunch of negative talking points that I've heard on the news or talk radio.
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
You know this thread is just spiraling out of control- I just wanted to understand how the OOT DVD could be made state of the art in 1993 in an era of HD and widescreen TV


When Lucasfilm is saying, the transfer was state-of-the-art in 1993, they are referring to the restoration, not the picture quality.

Understand that film restoration is a relatively new subject, and that a lot of progress has been made during the last 15 years. 2 reasons for this:

1. Film studios wanted to make money by releasing their film libraries on DVD but had to realize their film stock was in a horrendous state, thus the increased need to do film restoration.
2. Huge increase in computer processing power and storage capacity. In 1993, you had a highly advanced(!!) PC if you had 66Mhz, 8MB Ram, 540MB harddisk and a 17" monitor with a Vesa Local Bus graphics card running 800x600 in 16bit colour. The thought of playing back compressed digital videos at 720x480 in 24bit colour from a 8,9GB (over 9000 MB!!!) optical disc consumer format (DVD) was insane back then. Now imagine how big the hurdles were back then to digitize a whole movie in HD resolution and have the processing power to do a digital cleanup, for a consumer product!
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Originall posted by: Vigo

Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!

I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....

Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.

Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!

Subway is good for you (leave off the mayo and mustard). Out of all the fast food places mentioned, Subway is probably the best place to eat. The proof is actually better than "Super-Size-Me". One takes a look at personal responsibility (Jared and Subway). The other takes a look at just taking everything fast food has to offer. The only thing "Super-Size-Me" proved is that as long as people don't even try to control themselves, they'll get bigger. Some other lady actually managed to lose weight on an all McDonald's diet, so take "Super-Size-Me" with a huge grain of salt.

Ummm... McDonald's Diet??? *LOL* Yes, one BigMac per day and a diet coke makes you healthy, wealthy and wise... I can´t imagine how big the laughter would be if McDonald's would try such a marketing gag here.

Nevertheless, it's funny how fast McDonald's reacted to Super-Size-Me by introducing salads, trying to shake off the negative image. Imagine, SALADS!!!!! WHAT AN INNOVATION!!!


I'm sure someone can name 5 or 6 German restaurants that if people ate at uncontrollably would cause the same problem. Remember, it doesn't matter if you eat at a nice restaurant or a fast food place, you can still get fat from eating to much fatty foods.


We don´t have our own fast food chains. The only fast food chains here are American. We used to have one (Wiener Wald), but it fell into obscurity when McDonald´s became popular among the youth here in the 80's and 90's.

Nevertheless, the most popular fast food in Germany is Turkish, and called Döner Kebap. Not the Bratwurst.....

And I sincerely hope you don't compare Restaurants here with fast food chains. I don't know what Restaurants you have over there...


I guess I expected a little better from you Vigo. Do some real research on the Kyoto treaty to see who the real gross polluters are (hint: it's not the U.S.) before you go spouting off about it. It's meant to cut emissions from "industrialized nations", but since China is still considered a third world nation, they get to continue to pollute as much as they want, even though they're one of the worst polluters on the planet right now.


From a European perspective, both the USA and China are the big polluters, you are right. China is a 2nd world nation, and yes, they are indeed about to surpass you both in economical power and of course environmental pollution. So again, sorry if I have been sooo hard to Americans.

Just look at the gas prices you had when I was in San Francisco in October this year. 2,35$ per gallon!!!! Do you know how expensive fuel here in Europe is? 7$!!!!!! Look at the cars you drive. You are literally throwing energy away and flushing it down the toilet! Why? Because you can still afford it. Driving an American car in Germany is ridiculously expensive.


And you might want to do some homework on the whole "ignoring thing" since we never fully approved it here (Clinton signed it, Congress did not approve it).


Congratulations. That´s why Americans need movies like "An Inconvenient Truth", which explain facts that almost every nation in Europe knew 20-25 years ago. And yet, a lot of you seem to believe it is just a pro Gore, pro democratic propaganda plot.


I don't really have anything on topic to say, I'm just getting tired of seeing your constant ignorance toward what goes on in the U.S. Sure, I may not know much about what goes on in Germany, but you don't see me posting a bunch of negative talking points that I've heard on the news or talk radio.


How can you say I´m being ignorant if you admit that all the reference points you have is, in fact, only your own country?
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
How do you shut down a thread?


At least >I< am trying to be on-topic. Any questions left? Didn´t you understand something?

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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: generalfrevious
How do you shut down a thread?


At least >I< am trying to be on-topic. Any questions left? Didn´t you understand something?

"He said Jehova!!!"


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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Originall posted by: Vigo

Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!

I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....

Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.

Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!

Subway is good for you (leave off the mayo and mustard). Out of all the fast food places mentioned, Subway is probably the best place to eat. The proof is actually better than "Super-Size-Me". One takes a look at personal responsibility (Jared and Subway). The other takes a look at just taking everything fast food has to offer. The only thing "Super-Size-Me" proved is that as long as people don't even try to control themselves, they'll get bigger. Some other lady actually managed to lose weight on an all McDonald's diet, so take "Super-Size-Me" with a huge grain of salt.

Ummm... McDonald's Diet??? *LOL* Yes, one BigMac per day and a diet coke makes you healthy, wealthy and wise... I can´t imagine how big the laughter would be if McDonald's would try such a marketing gag here.

Nevertheless, it's funny how fast McDonald's reacted to Super-Size-Me by introducing salads, trying to shake off the negative image. Imagine, SALADS!!!!! WHAT AN INNOVATION!!!

McDonald's diet. Two people lost about 30 pounds each, eating nothing but McDonald's.

McDonald's had salads for years before Super-Size-Me came out. The only thing Super-Size-Me did was make McDonald's try to inform people more about their salads. They're not trying to shake off a negative image from Super-Size-Me, they're trying to avoid a lawsuit, something people love doing in this country.

Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi

I'm sure someone can name 5 or 6 German restaurants that if people ate at uncontrollably would cause the same problem. Remember, it doesn't matter if you eat at a nice restaurant or a fast food place, you can still get fat from eating to much fatty foods.

We don´t have our own fast food chains. The only fast food chains here are American. We used to have one (Wiener Wald), but it fell into obscurity when McDonald´s became popular among the youth here in the 80's and 90's.

Nevertheless, the most popular fast food in Germany is Turkish, and called Döner Kebap. Not the Bratwurst.....

And I sincerely hope you don't compare Restaurants here with fast food chains. I don't know what Restaurants you have over there...


I was not talking about fast food chains exclusively. I wasn't comparing them with restaurants either. I was simply making the statement that you could in fact do the same thing (gain lots of weight) by only eating out at restaurants if you don't pay attention to what you eat. It doesn't matter where you eat the junk food if that's all you're eating.

Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I guess I expected a little better from you Vigo. Do some real research on the Kyoto treaty to see who the real gross polluters are (hint: it's not the U.S.) before you go spouting off about it. It's meant to cut emissions from "industrialized nations", but since China is still considered a third world nation, they get to continue to pollute as much as they want, even though they're one of the worst polluters on the planet right now.


From a European perspective, both the USA and China are the big polluters, you are right. China is a 2nd world nation, and yes, they are indeed about to surpass you both in economical power and of course environmental pollution. So again, sorry if I have been sooo hard to Americans.

Just look at the gas prices you had when I was in San Francisco in October this year. 2,35$ per gallon!!!! Do you know how expensive fuel here in Europe is? 7$!!!!!! Look at the cars you drive. You are literally throwing energy away and flushing it down the toilet! Why? Because you can still afford it. Driving an American car in Germany is ridiculously expensive.


Yeah, because 50% of your gas price is tax. Take away all those taxes and our gas prices start to become about the same.

So what if we drive big cars. Yeah, maybe people shouldn't be driving around in giant cars that they don't need, but they're free to do that. It hits them in the pocket book everytime they fill up. I'm sure I can buy a car here that wouldn't be "ridiculously expensive" to drive over there. I obviously wouldn't buy an SUV though.

Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
And you might want to do some homework on the whole "ignoring thing" since we never fully approved it here (Clinton signed it, Congress did not approve it).


Congratulations. That´s why Americans need movies like "An Inconvenient Truth", which explain facts that almost every nation in Europe knew 20-25 years ago. And yet, a lot of you seem to believe it is just a pro Gore, pro democratic propaganda plot.


LOL. Again, you're basing your comments on a Michael Moore esque documentary. There are plenty of differing schools of thought on what's causing global warming and vehicle emissions are but one of them. Don't just watch the "documentary", go investigate the facts for yourself. Every scientists here knows just as much as all the nations in Europe know about global warming too. This isn't a "Europe" vs "America" thing.

Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I don't really have anything on topic to say, I'm just getting tired of seeing your constant ignorance toward what goes on in the U.S. Sure, I may not know much about what goes on in Germany, but you don't see me posting a bunch of negative talking points that I've heard on the news or talk radio.


How can you say I´m being ignorant if you admit that all the reference points you have is, in fact, only your own country?


Because you are being ignorant. Before, I thought you were making statements based on facts. Now, I can tell your statements are only based on negative talking points. You haven't actually done any research on what you've posted about. If you'd bother to spend a few minutes googling around about the stuff you posted about, you'd see that you've got most of it wrong.

I'm sure I can dig up plenty of crap about Germany. I just don't see the necessity to do it. I'll continue to go off topic as long as you continue to make grossly invalid statements in an "us" vs "them" tone.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Originall posted by: Vigo

Oh no! The Bratwurst! Mit Sauerkraut!

I recite: McDonald´s, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Subway, Dunkin' Donuts,...... With lots of pancakes, sweet soda, a milkshake....

Come on guys! You produce more food than you can eat yourself! You are the inventors of FAST FOOD. "Super-Size-Me" is an American movie for a good reason.

Hey now, have you not seen Subway's commercials?! Subway is good for you!

Subway is good for you (leave off the mayo and mustard). Out of all the fast food places mentioned, Subway is probably the best place to eat. The proof is actually better than "Super-Size-Me". One takes a look at personal responsibility (Jared and Subway). The other takes a look at just taking everything fast food has to offer. The only thing "Super-Size-Me" proved is that as long as people don't even try to control themselves, they'll get bigger. Some other lady actually managed to lose weight on an all McDonald's diet, so take "Super-Size-Me" with a huge grain of salt.

Ummm... McDonald's Diet??? *LOL* Yes, one BigMac per day and a diet coke makes you healthy, wealthy and wise... I can´t imagine how big the laughter would be if McDonald's would try such a marketing gag here.

Nevertheless, it's funny how fast McDonald's reacted to Super-Size-Me by introducing salads, trying to shake off the negative image. Imagine, SALADS!!!!! WHAT AN INNOVATION!!!

McDonald's diet. Two people lost about 30 pounds each, eating nothing but McDonald's.

So what? What does that prove? If you count calories, you can lose weight everywhere, right. But, why are many Americans not doing this? Simple, food is cheap and in plenty of masses available in America. McDonald´s and all other fast food chains' marketing is all about this, selling chunks of food. This is why you are a nation of overweights.


McDonald's had salads for years before Super-Size-Me came out.


Yeah, but they were not really advertized. Advertizing for the salads went up big time after the movie came out. And they added plenty of new salads to their program.


The only thing Super-Size-Me did was make McDonald's try to inform people more about their salads. They're not trying to shake off a negative image from Super-Size-
Me, they're trying to avoid a lawsuit, something people love doing in this country.

Ummm, you are contradicting yourself right now. Apparantly, of course they want to inform people about their salads. Why? Because they care for the health of people? Because they think people like salads more than hamburgers? No! Becasue they want to avoid lawsuits. Public relations. Image.


Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: lordjedi

I'm sure someone can name 5 or 6 German restaurants that if people ate at uncontrollably would cause the same problem. Remember, it doesn't matter if you eat at a nice restaurant or a fast food place, you can still get fat from eating to much fatty foods.

We don´t have our own fast food chains. The only fast food chains here are American. We used to have one (Wiener Wald), but it fell into obscurity when McDonald´s became popular among the youth here in the 80's and 90's.

Nevertheless, the most popular fast food in Germany is Turkish, and called Döner Kebap. Not the Bratwurst.....

And I sincerely hope you don't compare Restaurants here with fast food chains. I don't know what Restaurants you have over there...

I was not talking about fast food chains exclusively. I wasn't comparing them with restaurants either. I was simply making the statement that you could in fact do the same thing (gain lots of weight) by only eating out at restaurants if you don't pay attention to what you eat. It doesn't matter where you eat the junk food if that's all you're eating.

Yeah, absolutely right. But: you are missing the point. America has a huge overweight problem. I saw it myself with my own eyes. More than average number of people weighting at least 250-300 pounds. And: it´s not only the masses of food you are producing/consuming. It´s what you actually put in the food. Sweet Sodas with high fructose sugar. Yum! Sweet muffins with tons of sugar in it. Deep fried bread with lots of fat. I tried it myself when I was in the USA, because my colleague told me that when he visited the USA and stayed for 3 months, he actually gained pounds without eating more. Believe it, or don´t believe it. >I< know what I experienced.

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Originally posted by: lordjedi

I guess I expected a little better from you Vigo. Do some real research on the Kyoto treaty to see who the real gross polluters are (hint: it's not the U.S.) before you go spouting off about it. It's meant to cut emissions from "industrialized nations", but since China is still considered a third world nation, they get to continue to pollute as much as they want, even though they're one of the worst polluters on the planet right now.

From a European perspective, both the USA and China are the big polluters, you are right. China is a 2nd world nation, and yes, they are indeed about to surpass you both in economical power and of course environmental pollution. So again, sorry if I have been sooo hard to Americans.

Just look at the gas prices you had when I was in San Francisco in October this year. 2,35$ per gallon!!!! Do you know how expensive fuel here in Europe is? 7$!!!!!! Look at the cars you drive. You are literally throwing energy away and flushing it down the toilet! Why? Because you can still afford it. Driving an American car in Germany is ridiculously expensive.

Yeah, because 50% of your gas price is tax. Take away all those taxes and our gas prices start to become about the same.


Yuppie-doo! Yes, of course. But again, you are missing the point: we can not afford to drive huge, wasteful cars. Now, what do you think, is the reaction from our automotive Industry and the people to those restrictions? Hmmm, can you figure that out yourself?


So what if we drive big cars. Yeah, maybe people shouldn't be driving around in giant cars that they don't need, but they're free to do that.


Yes, you are free to do that, Yuppie-doo! Like a real American, you don´t need foreign strangers talking to your senses, who just want to take your cars away, because they are MEAN, and Anti-American!


It hits them in the pocket book everytime they fill up. I'm sure I can buy a car here that wouldn't be "ridiculously expensive" to drive over there. I obviously wouldn't buy an SUV though.


Did you actually got my point at all? Again: huge and wasteful cars are expensive, you seem to have figured that out. Now, what do they do, too, if they are wasteful, hmm?


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Originally posted by: lordjedi
And you might want to do some homework on the whole "ignoring thing" since we never fully approved it here (Clinton signed it, Congress did not approve it).


Congratulations. That´s why Americans need movies like "An Inconvenient Truth", which explain facts that almost every nation in Europe knew 20-25 years ago. And yet, a lot of you seem to believe it is just a pro Gore, pro democratic propaganda plot.


LOL. Again, you're basing your comments on a Michael Moore esque documentary.


Huh? You admitted yourself that your Congress did not approve it. I clearly interpret this as huge ignorance and shortsightedness.


There are plenty of differing schools of thought on what's causing global warming and vehicle emissions are but one of them.


Yes, your government loves to citate those very few scientists left in the minority, who still doubt that global warming is caused by industrialization.... Do I see lots of $$$ bills from Industry lobbies? Nah....


Don't just watch the "documentary", go investigate the facts for yourself. Every scientists here knows just as much as all the nations in Europe know about global warming too.


Which makes it even worse. And if you talk facts, you Americans should know better than us Germans what effect global warming can cause........ There you have your "facts".


This isn't a "Europe" vs "America" thing.


True, because in the end, it affects us all alike. This is why it is my DUTY to discuss it with you boneheads! "Oh no, he called us boneheads!!!!! What an insult!!!! Jehova!"


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Originally posted by: lordjedi
I don't really have anything on topic to say, I'm just getting tired of seeing your constant ignorance toward what goes on in the U.S. Sure, I may not know much about what goes on in Germany, but you don't see me posting a bunch of negative talking points that I've heard on the news or talk radio.


How can you say I´m being ignorant if you admit that all the reference points you have is, in fact, only your own country?


Because you are being ignorant.



Wow! What an argument!


Before, I thought you were making statements based on facts. Now, I can tell your statements are only based on negative talking points.


Believe me, no matter what I would do here, I couldn't convince you. You choose to wear pink glasses over a critical view, and national pride over common sense. Fine. I guess you have to learn it the hard way.


You haven't actually done any research on what you've posted about.


Of course. I trust my own eyes. I know the difference between living in the USA and living in Europe/Germany. You are the one trying to debate by quoting MSNBC articles.


If you'd bother to spend a few minutes googling around about the stuff you posted about, you'd see that you've got most of it wrong.


Absolutely not. Very few scientists still believe Global Warming is NOT caused by human mistakes. This is the general consensus which can be read everywhere. Only in America, people have still doubt about it. Some of you even still have doubt in evolution theory...


I'm sure I can dig up plenty of crap about Germany. I just don't see the necessity to do it.


That´s right. Because we are actually very critical of ourselves. I never said we are perfect. We do a lot of mistakes, too. Whoopie-doo!

I'll continue to go off topic as long as you continue to make grossly invalid statements in an "us" vs "them" tone.


And this is the sad part. YOu fail to realize that most of the things we are discussing here affect us all.
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Yes, but they don't effect Star Wars.

So, um, take it to the off-topic forum, and post in the political thread all you want.


Or start a Euro-bashing thread for all I care. But enough already, huh?





(Oh, and if you put their dressing on a McDonald's salad .... it has more fat than a Big Mac burger.)



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Now we can get back on topic...again.

I've been wondering something about widescreen movies that were not presented in anamorphic video on dvd. Does anyone have an example of one that was presented that way for some other reason besides it being made from laserdisk masters.

To make my question a little clearer or to ask it in a different way, are there widescreen (1.78:1 or wider) dvd's out there that were mastered from film elements but not presented in anamorphic video?
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Now we can get back on topic...again.

I've been wondering something about widescreen movies that were not presented in anamorphic video on dvd. Does anyone have an example of one that was presented that way for some other reason besides it being made from laserdisk masters.

To make my question a little clearer or to ask it in a different way, are there widescreen (1.78:1 or wider) dvd's out there that were mastered from film elements but not presented in anamorphic video?


The general rule is: as soon as material is 1,78:1 wide, it can be presented anamorphically enhanced on DVD. The typical picture formats are 1.85:1, 2.20:1, 2.35:1.
There was a common format used in the 60´s and 70´s: 1.66:1, which is a little bit less wide than 1.78:1. This format has been handled differently from release to release:

- Cut it down to 1.78:1 and make an anamorphic transfer
- Make a non-anamorphic transfer (called Letterbox)
- Make an anamorphic transfer by shrinking the picture, adding small black bars at both sides of the picture. (called Windowboxing)