Originally posted by: Tiptup
You do a disservice to human beings who suffer under real “persecution” when you throw around that term so lightly. Real persecution is far more horrible than what you describe here.
Originally posted by: JediSage
No, actually the Constitution says what's allowed on public property. The Free Exercise clause is too often being ignored in today's day and age in favor of the "establishment clause". Allowing a movie studio to display posters about a religious movie does not constitute a congressional establishment of religion.
First, having a Christian nativity sitting on public property, even while going so far as to exclude recognition of other religions, is not a technical violation of the "establishment caluse" in the constitution in any way. The original intent contained within the bill of rights does not change simply because our modern day judicial system is being run by Secularist zealots.
Second, your right to freely exercise your private religion on your own private property is in no way infringed by the decisions of public officials concerning how to govern public property. If you disagree with their decision, and believe they should reasonably recognize the most popular religion in the country, then work to vote them out of office.
There was nothing in anything I've said in this thread about private property. This is public only. The issue is that it's easy to say "vote them out", but as the saying goes if voting changed anything they'd outlaw it.
What's happening here is tyranny of the minority. Some small, well funded liberal secularist groups like the ACLU are engaged in attempting to remove all vestiges of religion from public life. The new dollar coin is a great example. The words "In God We Trust" are now in fine print, on the edge of the coin.
Originally posted by: JediSage
And this is just the latest example of an overall climate of secular harassment and persecution of religion in general and Christianity in particular.
No, actually the Constitution says what's allowed on public property. The Free Exercise clause is too often being ignored in today's day and age in favor of the "establishment clause". Allowing a movie studio to display posters about a religious movie does not constitute a congressional establishment of religion.
First, having a Christian nativity sitting on public property, even while going so far as to exclude recognition of other religions, is not a technical violation of the "establishment caluse" in the constitution in any way. The original intent contained within the bill of rights does not change simply because our modern day judicial system is being run by Secularist zealots.
Second, your right to freely exercise your private religion on your own private property is in no way infringed by the decisions of public officials concerning how to govern public property. If you disagree with their decision, and believe they should reasonably recognize the most popular religion in the country, then work to vote them out of office.
There was nothing in anything I've said in this thread about private property. This is public only. The issue is that it's easy to say "vote them out", but as the saying goes if voting changed anything they'd outlaw it.
What's happening here is tyranny of the minority. Some small, well funded liberal secularist groups like the ACLU are engaged in attempting to remove all vestiges of religion from public life. The new dollar coin is a great example. The words "In God We Trust" are now in fine print, on the edge of the coin.
Originally posted by: JediSage
And this is just the latest example of an overall climate of secular harassment and persecution of religion in general and Christianity in particular.
You do a disservice to human beings who suffer under real “persecution” when you throw around that term so lightly. Real persecution is far more horrible than what you describe here.
School children are forbidden from reading a bible on school property.
Christians were arrested at a homosexual rally in Philadelphia for peacefully protesting:
Philly 11
There are calls in different parts of the WESTERN world to ban the bible as "hate speech" because it condemns homosexual behavior:
Bible Ban
The words Merry Christmas and Happy Easter are being erased from every public forum.
OK, we're not talking about throwing them to the lions, but what will it take before it's called persecution? Can I call it "low level persecution"?