Originally posted by: Obi JeewhyenGuess I'll have to watch Empire again and pin down why I think she's too different. (Are those DVD's still ten dollars anywhere?)
I get what CO says about couples who like each other and try so hard not to show it that it comes off oppositely. But those couples are usually in junior high school. I've seen plenty of movies where adults are acting out the same way, but don't behave like teenagers.
In fact, I think a whole lot of the dialogue in Empire was aimed at kids particularly, instead of the "whole family" approach that Star Wars took.
To each his own. I will certainly grant that The Empire Strikes Back delved deeper into the personalities of the lead characters. But with the exception of Han Solo, I didn't like what I saw in the depths.
I get what CO says about couples who like each other and try so hard not to show it that it comes off oppositely. But those couples are usually in junior high school. I've seen plenty of movies where adults are acting out the same way, but don't behave like teenagers.
In fact, I think a whole lot of the dialogue in Empire was aimed at kids particularly, instead of the "whole family" approach that Star Wars took.
To each his own. I will certainly grant that The Empire Strikes Back delved deeper into the personalities of the lead characters. But with the exception of Han Solo, I didn't like what I saw in the depths.
ObiJeewhyen, here is where ESB ruins the saga, "I am your father!" Now I am not as high on this line as most of my SW friends, who think this is the pinnacle moment of the OT for them. For me, it is still Luke blowing up the death star in SW, that is the cream of the crop of the any movie I have ever seen.
What 'I am your father' did to the rest of the SW movies is make Lucas think that EVERY fan loves Darth Vader and wants to know everthing about him. WRONG!!!!! I love Darth Vader as a bad guy, or an antagonist in the OT, but I don't like him as the star of the saga now, that is one of the reasons why I will never be a saga fan.
Lucas saw how everyone reacted at that one line in ESB, and I personally think he went Vader crazy after that. He pigeoned holed the saga to focus so much on Darth Vader, he has cut out so many would be fans like me who fell in love with the rebellion beating the empire through my heroes Luke, Leia, and Han.
By Lucas constantly saying it is Darth Vader story now 1-6, or the tragedy of Darth Vader, he has essentially made SW into a fanbase 1-6 that loves Darth Vader and his story, and that is it, cause everything in the PT took a backseat to Anankins story. And now if you look at the saga overall 1-6, the PT was really explains the last hour of ROTJ and why Anakin did what he did to save his son and kill the Emperor. The problem is there is a huge story that we all fell in love with that had to do with Luke, Han, and Leia that is just a footnote now.
Just think of some newcomer watching it 1-6 in order. You get 3 movies about Jedi vs Sith, and follow Anakin for 3 movies as he becomes evil. By Episode IV, would you really care about these three joksters on the deathstar hamming it up? Will you really care about Han/Leia in the millenium falcon falling in love for half the movie in ESB? Would you really care about a rescue for the first 40 minutes on Han Solo by his friends in ROTJ?
No that viewer will want more Yoda, more Emperor, and definitely more Vader/Luke scenes like the ones in the last hour of ROTJ? Lucas has essentially discarded what made the OT great to all of us for Darth Vader character arc, and that is what it is now, a character arc of Darth Vader as a little kid to his death at the end of ROTJ. No character gets a full arc like that in SW. What made me fall in love with SW was Luke and his battle to blow up the death star in the original SW, now that is part 4 of a movie that really doesn't have that much Vader in it.