Originally posted by: JediRandy

Excuse me? Sebastian Shaw was erased from ROTJ. So much for "nothing is erased".

Han also goes from a "shoot first, ask questions later" guy to a "shoot only in self defense" guy. Whether you want to believe it or not, those are two very different types of people.

Yeah, outside of his speaking scene... Shaw doesn't show up anywhere else in the movie at all.

The scene with Shaw also completely negates everything that scene stood for for 20 years. I always viewed it from a Christian standpoint of redemption. Yeah, Vader was an evil bastard. But in the end, he repented and came back to the light side and was rewarded for it. He even destroyed the root cause of the galaxies suffering in the process. With the reworking, Anakin was just "trapped" within Vader. So when Vader died, *baby voice* "the good little Anakin was able to go to Jedi heaven". Or as I see it, the whiney little brat that couldn't get his way as a teenager finally got what he wanted. If you don't want to understand that it does change the message at the end of ROTJ Randy, that's fine, just don't deny that it does change it. It's a lame change that wasn't needed and was only done to show that the PT and OT are suppose to be part of the same story.

Originally posted by: JediRandy
So Han should only shoot first? Did Eastwood ever shoot in self defense in a Leone movie? (he did) Did that take away from his character in the Dollars Trilogy?

The Han shooting first scene is bitching because you no longer think something is as cool as it once was... it didn't change his character at all... Han didn't want to "march into the detention center" and he thought attacking the DS was "suicide"... how come it's ok for him to be a pussy then but not during the Greedo scene?

You zone-in on one scene and forget everything else that happened only because is supports your arguement... the Shaw scene is a perfect example of that... "he was ERASED" from the movie! (except for the scene where he spoke) But he was ERASED I tell you!!! Luca$ is teh Suxxx!

I don't know what Clint Eastwood has to do with Han Solo. Have any of those movies been changed to change Clint's actions? My guess is probably not.

Attacking a space station which was created to destroy planets and marching into an area that will likely be filled with troops is suicide. Shooting one guy because he's pointing a gun at you and you don't want to wait and see if he's going to pull the trigger is justified self-defense. They're actually two completely different things, but thanks for trying to make them look similar.

Also, there's another problem with having Greedo shoot first. It makes him look like a tard. He's three feet away and he completely misses a stationary target. He must be a really lame bounty hunter if he can't hit Han from that distance. So not only does that scene change Han's character, but it also makes Greedo look like a total moron. He's three feet away (at most) and he misses by nearly 6 inches. Even without using the sights on his blaster, he shouldn't be that bad of a shot. He's got Han cornered and he completely blows the shot. That is the biggest problem with that scene. Before, Han was taking him out before he had a chance to fire. Now, he's flat out missing a target at point blank range.

We don't zone in on one scene or even one or two scenes. We point out every lame change whether it changes the story or not because they're lame changes. Boba Fett's new scenes in Jabba's palace change his character too. He goes from a cold hearted emotionless bounty hunter to a lady's man. Someone like him wouldn't have any attachments. Attachments create emotions. By adding the needless flirting, he now acts differently. I could probably handle a scene showing him handing a prostitute some credits for her "services", but nothing beyond that.

There are plenty of examples Randy, we've just been pointing out some of the more obvious ones. Having all stormtroopers have the same voice is another stupid change. I know, I know, they're all clones. Well, accents aren't genetic. Ask anyone that's moved to a different country and ended up adopting the accent a year or so later. You're not born speaking with an accent. You learn it just like everything else.

I could go on like this all day, but there's really no point. Everyone here already knows all this and you're probably just looking to get a rise out of us, just like Go-Mer. Well, it ain't gonna happen.