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Originally posted by: Mielr
I'm sorry but gate weave IS part of the film. It is part of the process of a strip of film running through a projector, and the slight side-to-side movement that occurs as the sprocket holes for each frame are taken up.
Perhaps you are watching the DVDs on your computer and sitting too close to the screen? Like I said before, if you LOOK for gate weave, you will see it. And yes, you will usually see it at the beginning of a film because it is more noticeable when you are reading text- it's still there during the rest of the film- it's just not as apparent.
Try sitting further away from your screen I think you'll be surprised at how the gate weave appears to lessen.
I think it hurts our cause to complain about flaws that aren't flaws. There are so many other flaws to complain about- the non-anamorphic issue being the biggest, the aliasing being 2nd.....I can understand how others brush us off as fanatics, when we start complaining about gate weave, film grain, color breathing and other issues inherent of motion picture film.
But again- that's just my 2 cents. Do as you will.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I snipped most of it because I've read it before and didn't feel the need to requote everything. All I can say is that I've honestly never seen gate weave to that extent on any other DVD I own. It may be there, but I've never noticed it. I also didn't have to have it pointed out to me on this release. As soon as I started up a sample, I saw it. I honestly couldn't believe my eyes. It was like someone was shaking my monitor. I don't have any other DVDs that do this.
I've also never seen this happen at a theater during any movie. I've noticed a slight shake in the beginning on some films, but never to this extent. Again, it was like someone was shaking the monitor.
If that's something that can be corrected, as zombie said it was, then again, there is no reason to release a DVD like that in 2006.
Originally posted by: zombie84
Gate weave is most definitly not part of the film. If you see Casino Royale and it is shaking all over the place--that means the projectionist is a fucking moron and hasn't threaded the film correctly. Watch another film on DVD? Do you see gate weave? Probably not. Gate weave is an artifical flaw introduced in the projection stage due to inadequete equipment. In the case of the GOUT, its a flaw created through the piece of shit transfer--the 1993 telecine didn't hold the film steady as it passed through the scanner, and so the image wobbles. A modern scan would yield a rock-solid image--such as the 2004 dvd.
And yes, the gate weave on the GOUT is pretty bad. Older movies and older telecines had more noticeable gate weave but this problem has been mostly overcome in recent years, although you still see a telecine from time to time (the dvd of Troy is hidious and features many video exposure flaws as well as lots of gate weave).
I snipped most of it because I've read it before and didn't feel the need to requote everything. All I can say is that I've honestly never seen gate weave to that extent on any other DVD I own. It may be there, but I've never noticed it. I also didn't have to have it pointed out to me on this release. As soon as I started up a sample, I saw it. I honestly couldn't believe my eyes. It was like someone was shaking my monitor. I don't have any other DVDs that do this.
I've also never seen this happen at a theater during any movie. I've noticed a slight shake in the beginning on some films, but never to this extent. Again, it was like someone was shaking the monitor.
If that's something that can be corrected, as zombie said it was, then again, there is no reason to release a DVD like that in 2006.
Originally posted by: zombie84
Gate weave is most definitly not part of the film. If you see Casino Royale and it is shaking all over the place--that means the projectionist is a fucking moron and hasn't threaded the film correctly. Watch another film on DVD? Do you see gate weave? Probably not. Gate weave is an artifical flaw introduced in the projection stage due to inadequete equipment. In the case of the GOUT, its a flaw created through the piece of shit transfer--the 1993 telecine didn't hold the film steady as it passed through the scanner, and so the image wobbles. A modern scan would yield a rock-solid image--such as the 2004 dvd.
And yes, the gate weave on the GOUT is pretty bad. Older movies and older telecines had more noticeable gate weave but this problem has been mostly overcome in recent years, although you still see a telecine from time to time (the dvd of Troy is hidious and features many video exposure flaws as well as lots of gate weave).
I'm sorry but gate weave IS part of the film. It is part of the process of a strip of film running through a projector, and the slight side-to-side movement that occurs as the sprocket holes for each frame are taken up.
Perhaps you are watching the DVDs on your computer and sitting too close to the screen? Like I said before, if you LOOK for gate weave, you will see it. And yes, you will usually see it at the beginning of a film because it is more noticeable when you are reading text- it's still there during the rest of the film- it's just not as apparent.
Try sitting further away from your screen I think you'll be surprised at how the gate weave appears to lessen.
I think it hurts our cause to complain about flaws that aren't flaws. There are so many other flaws to complain about- the non-anamorphic issue being the biggest, the aliasing being 2nd.....I can understand how others brush us off as fanatics, when we start complaining about gate weave, film grain, color breathing and other issues inherent of motion picture film.
But again- that's just my 2 cents. Do as you will.
No, gate weave is not part of the film--its a by-product of the projection stage, and its visibility is dependent on human and technological factors, including how well the film is threaded through the projector and how well the projector is built. On lower budgeted formats and projectors there will be some slight weave--ie, 16mm film only has one perf for frame--but it should never be visible. In fact, the most essentially testing phase of the camera prep before a crew shoots a movie is called a registration test, and its the first thing that is done in order to eliminate gate weave being built into the film by making sure that the movement of the camera gate is rock-solid.
Inevitably, when you see a movie in theaters there will be some very minor weave that is only noticeable if you look for it--this has to do with the fact that you are seeing less than ideal prints that are getting a bit banged up, and run by a projectionist that likely is not doing his job to the best of his ability because its just a mutiplex screening that gets done ten times a day. However, if you were to watch a carefully made and thoroughly examined transfer on dvd, you will notice that gate weave is totally absent--in fact, many now use stabalising filters to eliminate even the most subtle of weave to make sure that the image is perfectly still and natural, as it should be.
The GOUT has very bad gate weave that is definitely meritting complaint. However, when you realise it is from a 1993 transfer, this suddenly makes more sense, as the technology back then was not as painstaking as it is now. Unfortunately for Lucasfilm they chose to present a 1993 transfer in 2006 so they get what is coming.
Klaus Kinski is really a psycho. 
Didn't mean to downplay, I just think to me it's a situation of "It's bad, but could be a hell of alot worse." Which also shouldn't have to happen either. 
