Originally posted by: Mielr
lordjedi, I've agreed with most of what you've said so far, but I have to disagree with you here. The "image instability" Go-mer referred to is just gate weave, which is not generally considered to be a flaw. It's an inherent part of the film process- if you go to see Casino Royale in a theater today, you will also see gate weave (if you look for it- generally, if you don't seek it out- you won't notice it). You will also see gate weave on at least 90% of all DVDs released today (most noticeable during the opening and ending credits). Any film that is run through a projector or a telecine, will have some gate weave. Only films that have been scanned frame-by-frame for DVD release will not have it. Most DVD movies have not been scanned this way, because the process is more expensive than using a telecine. However, just because a telecine has been used to make a DVD transfer doesn't mean that the transfer can't be excellent. In fact, there are some who are critical of using the scanning process because they feel it makes the transfer look more like video than film. Personally, I don't really have a preference either way.
These DVDs do have flaws and the true flaws do deserve criticism, but I don't think it's fair to criticise them for something that technically is not a flaw. I don't know if you've watched all three of the DVDs in their entirety, but I've watched all three of them 2 or 3 times each so far, and to me, the gate weave is no worse than on any other DVD I have, or any movie I've seen theatrically. In fact, they're better than some DVDs I have (ie-the Rocky Horror 25th Anniversary DVD has some scenes where the gate weave is far more apparent).
Anyhow, just my 2 cents.
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Dude, the "image instability" is the worst thing about this release. Based on what I've seen, that shake is very noticable and just nasty. I really don't want to feel like I'm hallucinating when I watch Star Wars. I want to be drawn into the movie. That shake completely drops me out of the movie it's so noticeable. Not to mention all the scratches and other things I notice.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicLast night I popped in Star Wars on my PC and got fairly close to the monitor. I can certainly see what you guys are saying about the resolution and the jaggy lines and the graineyness. But at the same time I think the colors and general sharpness is pretty good. One thing I love the most about this release is the way you get the image instability. To me that instantly nails that feeling I had watching the originals in the theater, where it all looks so real, but has that twitch to it that your brain adjusts to, but still gives you that slight feeling like you are hallucinating or something. Like this "reality" is slightly off the tracks.
Dude, the "image instability" is the worst thing about this release. Based on what I've seen, that shake is very noticable and just nasty. I really don't want to feel like I'm hallucinating when I watch Star Wars. I want to be drawn into the movie. That shake completely drops me out of the movie it's so noticeable. Not to mention all the scratches and other things I notice.
lordjedi, I've agreed with most of what you've said so far, but I have to disagree with you here. The "image instability" Go-mer referred to is just gate weave, which is not generally considered to be a flaw. It's an inherent part of the film process- if you go to see Casino Royale in a theater today, you will also see gate weave (if you look for it- generally, if you don't seek it out- you won't notice it). You will also see gate weave on at least 90% of all DVDs released today (most noticeable during the opening and ending credits). Any film that is run through a projector or a telecine, will have some gate weave. Only films that have been scanned frame-by-frame for DVD release will not have it. Most DVD movies have not been scanned this way, because the process is more expensive than using a telecine. However, just because a telecine has been used to make a DVD transfer doesn't mean that the transfer can't be excellent. In fact, there are some who are critical of using the scanning process because they feel it makes the transfer look more like video than film. Personally, I don't really have a preference either way.
These DVDs do have flaws and the true flaws do deserve criticism, but I don't think it's fair to criticise them for something that technically is not a flaw. I don't know if you've watched all three of the DVDs in their entirety, but I've watched all three of them 2 or 3 times each so far, and to me, the gate weave is no worse than on any other DVD I have, or any movie I've seen theatrically. In fact, they're better than some DVDs I have (ie-the Rocky Horror 25th Anniversary DVD has some scenes where the gate weave is far more apparent).
Anyhow, just my 2 cents.
Gate weave is most definitly not part of the film. If you see Casino Royale and it is shaking all over the place--that means the projectionist is a fucking moron and hasn't threaded the film correctly. Watch another film on DVD? Do you see gate weave? Probably not. Gate weave is an artifical flaw introduced in the projection stage due to inadequete equipment. In the case of the GOUT, its a flaw created through the piece of shit transfer--the 1993 telecine didn't hold the film steady as it passed through the scanner, and so the image wobbles. A modern scan would yield a rock-solid image--such as the 2004 dvd.
And yes, the gate weave on the GOUT is pretty bad. Older movies and older telecines had more noticeable gate weave but this problem has been mostly overcome in recent years, although you still see a telecine from time to time (the dvd of Troy is hidious and features many video exposure flaws as well as lots of gate weave).