Originally posted by: theredbaron
Of course, this is the way it's always been. How do you think Sony so easily squashed the Dreamcast, which before the PS2, was not only enjoying a games line-up of phenomenal quality, but also broke console sales records at the time? At its height, the PS2 came along and developers simply walked away by virtue of a brand name.
Originally posted by: Shark2k
First off I want to say that the GameCube was not shitty. The reason that the Cube seems shitty was because it had hardly any 3rd party supporters. The Cube would have done much better if it had more 3rd party support. About the 3rd party support for Cube: "Microsoft’s third party line-up is not exactly what it appears. I came across this from an anonymous developer:
"The Gamecube fell WAY behind in 3rd party support. They did great with first party- but a lot of big games ignored the 'Cube."
This may be how it appeared from the outside, but I can ensure you that this is not how it worked inside of the industry; there were lots of developers who wanted to bring games to the Gamecube but (as I will explain in a moment) were pressured by their publisher to put the games on other platforms.
When Microsoft entered the Console world they started spending insane amounts of money to buy exclusive support, ports or to simply prevent the Gamecube from getting ports; in Microsoft's world they believed that if they had enough third party exclusives (or at least the best looking version of a game) they would be as successful as the PS2. I know of several times when Microsoft paid publishers millions of dollars to ensure that the Gamecube would not get a port of a particular game." -TheWiikly.com (starts at Popular Excuse 3)
As to Nintendo not including DVD support in their system, answer this, how many DVD players do you have in your house? Okay so your answer is most likely more than one, especially if you include your computer. Nintendo did not include DVD support in their system because they want to make the system inexpensive and while DVD playback might not have really raised the price all that much, so be it, it's not a big loss. Besides, you can always buy a better stand alone DVD player for a better price then the DVD players that come in a system. Nintendo is going for the mass market and there goal is to get more people to start playing video games again. Certain things, IMHO, do not need to be in a video game console and a DVD player is one of those.
-Shark2k
First off I want to say that the GameCube was not shitty. The reason that the Cube seems shitty was because it had hardly any 3rd party supporters. The Cube would have done much better if it had more 3rd party support. About the 3rd party support for Cube: "Microsoft’s third party line-up is not exactly what it appears. I came across this from an anonymous developer:
"The Gamecube fell WAY behind in 3rd party support. They did great with first party- but a lot of big games ignored the 'Cube."
This may be how it appeared from the outside, but I can ensure you that this is not how it worked inside of the industry; there were lots of developers who wanted to bring games to the Gamecube but (as I will explain in a moment) were pressured by their publisher to put the games on other platforms.
When Microsoft entered the Console world they started spending insane amounts of money to buy exclusive support, ports or to simply prevent the Gamecube from getting ports; in Microsoft's world they believed that if they had enough third party exclusives (or at least the best looking version of a game) they would be as successful as the PS2. I know of several times when Microsoft paid publishers millions of dollars to ensure that the Gamecube would not get a port of a particular game." -TheWiikly.com (starts at Popular Excuse 3)
As to Nintendo not including DVD support in their system, answer this, how many DVD players do you have in your house? Okay so your answer is most likely more than one, especially if you include your computer. Nintendo did not include DVD support in their system because they want to make the system inexpensive and while DVD playback might not have really raised the price all that much, so be it, it's not a big loss. Besides, you can always buy a better stand alone DVD player for a better price then the DVD players that come in a system. Nintendo is going for the mass market and there goal is to get more people to start playing video games again. Certain things, IMHO, do not need to be in a video game console and a DVD player is one of those.
-Shark2k
Of course, this is the way it's always been. How do you think Sony so easily squashed the Dreamcast, which before the PS2, was not only enjoying a games line-up of phenomenal quality, but also broke console sales records at the time? At its height, the PS2 came along and developers simply walked away by virtue of a brand name.
If you're saying that developers just walked away from the Dreamcast after the PS2 came out that is different than what I quoted. Microsoft actually payed money to developers to not develope for the GameCube, so that's not the way it's always been.
-Shark2k