Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
According to Lucas, he had time and money to do 3 squib setups for that shot. Each one went off with bad timing. He said in one shot Greedo shot way before Han, in another Han shot way before greedo, and in the one they used, they both went off at about the same time, but you couldn't really tell that. He didn't have time or money to do more setups, so he decided to live with that and try to make it clear through the dialogue that "the idea" was to kill Han.
I was not aware of that. However, I still don't think the scene should have been changed (twice I believe, 97 and 04) and the dialogue seems to work perfectly.
My understanding is that Tolkien continually changed Lord of the Rings until it was published and then made no further edits. He made one change to either the Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings (can't remember which) which changed the riddle to match in both stories. Other than that one change, which didn't really change anything about any of the characters anyway, nothing else was ever changed. He did not go back and continually re-edit and re-publish the stories once they were released.
The difference between the two is that Lucas doesn't ever seem to be happy with the changes he's made. Luke's scream in ESB is a perfect example. First it's not there, then it is, then it's gone again. Han/Greedo is another example. I'm sure there are more. If Lucas would make up his mind and release his real "definitive vision" version, along with the OOT, there probably wouldn't be any fan outrage.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Are you asking why he would release still yet "unfinished" versions in 2004? In that case the reason according to him is that his advisors were telling him that if he waited until he was "ready" there might not be a DVD market to release to anyway. I think that, combined with the daily request from fans to at least release what he has even if it isn't "finished" caused him to reconsider waiting until he was done.
According to Lucas, he had time and money to do 3 squib setups for that shot. Each one went off with bad timing. He said in one shot Greedo shot way before Han, in another Han shot way before greedo, and in the one they used, they both went off at about the same time, but you couldn't really tell that. He didn't have time or money to do more setups, so he decided to live with that and try to make it clear through the dialogue that "the idea" was to kill Han.
I was not aware of that. However, I still don't think the scene should have been changed (twice I believe, 97 and 04) and the dialogue seems to work perfectly.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Didn't Tolkein rewrite his works for future editions? Did he also re-publish his previous works along side his new editions each time?
Didn't Tolkein rewrite his works for future editions? Did he also re-publish his previous works along side his new editions each time?
My understanding is that Tolkien continually changed Lord of the Rings until it was published and then made no further edits. He made one change to either the Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings (can't remember which) which changed the riddle to match in both stories. Other than that one change, which didn't really change anything about any of the characters anyway, nothing else was ever changed. He did not go back and continually re-edit and re-publish the stories once they were released.
The difference between the two is that Lucas doesn't ever seem to be happy with the changes he's made. Luke's scream in ESB is a perfect example. First it's not there, then it is, then it's gone again. Han/Greedo is another example. I'm sure there are more. If Lucas would make up his mind and release his real "definitive vision" version, along with the OOT, there probably wouldn't be any fan outrage.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Are you asking why he would release still yet "unfinished" versions in 2004? In that case the reason according to him is that his advisors were telling him that if he waited until he was "ready" there might not be a DVD market to release to anyway. I think that, combined with the daily request from fans to at least release what he has even if it isn't "finished" caused him to reconsider waiting until he was done.
Ah yes, his "advisors" told him there might not be a DVD market to release to. Of course, he uses that to pull the "piracy" trump card. I think what his advisors really meant was that HD was coming but with a format war. Either release on DVD now or wait a few more years for the format war to die down. Honestly, nothing pissed me off more when I read the interview where he said he decided to release it on DVD due to "piracy". Bootleg DVDs were being sold on eBay for years before this and he expects fans to believe that he's suddenly doing it because of that? If that were really the case, I would've expected to see official DVDs released right after TPM came out or even sooner. The DVD market isn't going away anytime soon and I'm sure Lucas' "advisors" know that. They wanted SW on DVD so they could rerelease it again in HD once the format war is over.
I know he backed Divx for the longest time, as did Spielberg, but once the format was dead, he should've just gone ahead with a DVD release.