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Someone please make a Hi-res version of any of these posters or DVD covers and Trooperman I would just love to see a clip of the new dialogue. If I have to beg then I will, haha.
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Great work MTHaslett and GoldStone9! Thankyou!

I agree with the other posters too, high res versions of the posters would be great. TPM and ROTS posters would be good too.

If I had the basic elements, I could easily knock something up. Just finding ones that are high enough resolution is the problem.
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Sluggo:
I've created 10d which is 10b with a line over "Shroud of the" in addition to the one under "dark side" that was already there.

auximenies:
It's unlikely that we'll need to use a square logo often, if at all. However, I think 5 is the definitive square logo and I'll keep it just in case.

MTHaslett:
The problem with creating a logo that has a less prominent "of the" is that then "Shroud" needs to be bigger. See my next comment.

I agree with your idea that "the logos that have bars seem far more like the title of a movie". That's another reason I wanted to v11 to see if the extra line made a difference.

I commend you on the poster mock-ups, btw. I will take a crack at recreating them in photoshop once I finalise the SOTDS logo.

Trooperman:
Nice to see you back in the thread. I'm glad the logo designs inspired you to create a mockup logo as I think your third one is the best possible logo. However, when I tried to recreate it in high-res there's a problem. The stretching/squeezing of "Shroud" becomes painfully obvious and the logo suffers as a result. I tried to:
* get the "S" of "Shroud" to not look so big in comparison to the rest of "shroud".
* have "hroud" not be stretched/squeezed so dramatically
* make the two lines fit together without being distorted at all

However, no matter what i did it just doesn't look as good as it could due to "Shroud of the" not fitting across the top without being distorted. I have posted my result below but it isn't pretty. The "S" bar is too thick and the rest of "shroud" is too stretched.

THX:
Yep. All the reasons you mention are why I couldn't get a variety of designs to work. Unfortunately this includes Trooperman's #3 logo which I think is the perfect one to use.

GoldStone9:
Thanks for uploading that AOTC concept art scan.

Everyone:
Well, here are the latest logos. Version 11 is a revised v10 with an extra bar above "shroud of the". I suspect that since so many of you loved 10B that 11B's okay? Version 12 is my attempt at recreating Trooperman's very nice logo. Unfortunately I can't proportion the "S" of "Shroud" right in relation to the rest of the word. Plus, the rest of the word has to be stretched and squeezed in order to fill out the space in the top line. More thoughts on either of these?:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/paulgaliazzo/sotds_12_test9.gif

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Aw, why do we have to chose just one? I likes them all!
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Well Sluggo I don't mind rendering 'em all. I will most likely provide a bunch of covers with a few different logos. However, there should be an 'official' one. I guess, in case somebody wants to create professional-looking, OT-style motion menus for the DVD?

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I vote for 12B. It has the feel of the ESB logo while being different enough to not be a copy.

And this may sound dorky (relatively speaking ), but I like the way the top bar of the S in "Shroud" covers the word (like a shroud, get it?).

If I can get a hi-res version, I can take a crack of some of these posters.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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I also think that 12B is the best. As you said though Klokwerk, I think the top bar is too thick. I think the logo would look better if that top bar was narrowed to be the same size as the one on bottom. If you did that, you should also be able to stretch the letters H-R-O-U-D a bit taller to compensate for the reduced thickness of the top line. I think it would make the logo work better overall.
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Klokwerk --

I appreciate what you're saying and see the problem you're talking about with making the top bar too thin. But I went ahead and mocked it up that way using your .gif -- just to be sure no one is going to like it (because I still kind of like it). Whatever the case-- I'm grateful to have you here and love all the logos you've done. Basically, it's a win-win situation since any of yours would be fantastic.

You sure we can't do something like this?:
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9717/sotdstesths4.jpg

Realizing the "S" is no longer the same font as everything else, can something like this work? Probably not.

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It would work if you had the 'S' the same size as the rest of 'hroud' and not the same size as the 'of the dark side'.
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You mean something like this?:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2851/sotdstestaal8.jpg

It's a thought.

I hope you don't mind me jumping in like this, Klokwerk.

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I really like all of the #12 versions posted except for 12E, because I really like having the top bar come out of the "S".

For the "official" logo, I would like two variants- some kind of slanted version, and the straight version (something like 12A). I'd like the straight one to be used as well because it matches with the logos on the "Faces" set that I've gotten used to for over ten years now.

The straight logo

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1001/sotdsfm1.jpg

fits better with these logos:

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0011/3762/brand.gif
http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0011/3788/brand.gif
http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0011/3789/brand.gif

Just a thought. But I really like the higher-res #12 logos.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos.

So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.
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Raggy? The Faces logos are the SE logos? Don't forget the Faces logos are also the Faces logos.
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Why not just increase the width of the bottom line so that it matches the thickness of the one on top and widen the surrounding box to fit?
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Originally posted by: THX
To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos.

So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.

I agree with THX 100%.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
I vote for 12B. It has the feel of the ESB logo while being different enough to not be a copy. And this may sound dorky (relatively speaking ), but I like the way the top bar of the S in "Shroud" covers the word (like a shroud, get it?). If I can get a hi-res version, I can take a crack of some of these posters. Well, it looks like v12 (or rather the eventual perfected #12) will become the 'official' logo as it was Trooperman's idea and choice. I will provide hi-res versions some time soon to those who want to make covers/posters, etc. However, I want to finalize them first.

Originally posted by: andy_k_250
So, good versions of these are going on the final final disc, right? Well, that's up to Trooperman I guess, however I'm sure between myself and the many talented cover-makers here on the forums, that hi-res logos/posters/covers will be available to download. If Trooperman wants to do a DVD-ROM section on his dual-layer version then we could put them on that.

Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
I also think that 12B is the best. As you said though Klokwerk, I think the top bar is too thick. I think the logo would look better if that top bar was narrowed to be the same size as the one on bottom. If you did that, you should also be able to stretch the letters H-R-O-U-D a bit taller to compensate for the reduced thickness of the top line. I think it would make the logo work better overall. Whatever the case - I'm grateful to have you here and love all the logos you've done. Basically, it's a win-win situation since any of yours would be fantastic. When I read this I decided I'd give 12 another go. I made the top bar thinner (but IMHO I think it's still too thick) and I also made the letters (of "hroud" and "of the") closer to normal proportions. It works much better and I'm thankful for the idea. You'll be able to see the result below as logo design #13. Oh! And thanks for the compliments at the end there.

Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Klokwerk, I appreciate what you're saying and see the problem you're talking about with making the top bar too thin. But I went ahead and mocked it up that way using your '.gif' Realizing the "S" is no longer the same font as everything else, can something like this work? Probably not. It is possible. This gif mock-up of yours and Rebel11_38's advice above prompted me to redo 12 and make it work without being so stretched/squeezed. I still have the bar too thick but apart from that I think the logo #13 is much better than #12.

Originally posted by: Sluggo
It would work if you had the 'S' the same size as the rest of 'hroud' and not the same size as the 'of the dark side'.
Originally posted by: MTHaslett
You mean something like this? Image removed for quote. It's a thought. I hope you don't mind me jumping in like this, Klokwerk.
With the S the same size as the rest of "shroud" it is much easier to keep things in normal proportion. However, then it basically becomes my #11 but with "of the" being the double-line version instead of featuring at the same size of "shroud". I could do a version like that if people really want, but at the moment I just want to finalize Trooperman's version. Plus, so many people liked 10b/11b - do I really need to experiment further?

Originally posted by: Trooperman
I really like all of the #12 versions posted except for 12E, because I really like having the top bar come out of the "S". For the "official" logo, I would like two variants - some kind of slanted version, and the straight version (something like 12A). I'd like the straight one to be used as well because it matches with the logos on the "Faces" set that I've gotten used to for over ten years now. The straight logo fits better with the "Faces" logos. Just a thought. But I really like the higher-res #12 logos.
Don't worry, I can provide you with a straight and a slanted version of your design once I'm done. I'm just trying to make it look as good as possible though. The version I did in #12 still isn't good enough. That's why I've done a #13 which you can see below. Hopefully this is better than #12. I think the only thing left to do is to thin the bars out again. Let me know what you think.

Originally posted by: THX
To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos. So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
I agree with THX 100%.
Well 11B is probably the definitive version of my design. I will do versions of covers with that logo and whatnot. As for things that haven't been experimented with: you're right about the 'outline' bounding box but I've yet to make the middle-bar of the "E" the same length as the other two bars. However, I have attempted to perfect #12 to give Trooperman a high-quality version of his design. I think this #13 that I've done looks less "amateur" than #12 because the letters "hroud" and "of the" are closer to normal proportions. So, hopefully it looks better now.

Everyone:
I believe that my 10B/11B will be the definitive version of my design. However, I'm sure I'll end up providing them all or filling requests or whatever. For now, I'm trying to finalize Trooperman's design so that it looks as polished as it can. I believe #13 looks better than #12 but would like your thoughts. I think the compromise in #12 was that "hroud" and "of the" had to be squashed/stretched to make everything fit. That, and the size of the "S" of "Shroud" meant the bar coming out of the "S" was way too thick. The compromise in #13 is that the "S" looks a little funny at the top, however it isn't that bad. I think it is this logo's quirk. I use that word as somebody described every OT logo as having its own quirks - I agree. The "S bar" as I've come to call it is still too thick in this version though, I think. Does everyone agree I should make the bar thinner and then have the bottom bar the same thickness? Here's #13 for you to mull over:

http://home.iprimus.com.au/paulgaliazzo/sotds_12_test10.gif

To contact me outside the forum, for trades and such my email address is my OT.com username @gmail.com

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Not between 13A to 13D. I'm just showing #13 in a variety of orientations for Trooperman.

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What about one of these? I just used a couple of the logos Klockwerk and MTHaslett made to do a rough mock-up of some of my thoughts.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/Rebel11_38/newtest.gif

BTW Klokwerk, as much as I would like to take credit for the compliments you think I gave you, they actually came from a MTHaslett and you inadvertently combined them with one of my posts. Sorry I agree with what he said though
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Originally posted by: klokwerk
The compromise in #13 is that the "S" looks a little funny at the top, however it isn't that bad. I think it is this logo's quirk. I use that word as somebody described every OT logo as having its own quirks - I agree.
Actually, the thin "S" bar mimics the thin top "E" bar on the TESB logo. So there is precedent.

Originally posted by: klokwerk
The "S bar" as I've come to call it is still too thick in this version though, I think. Does everyone agree I should make the bar thinner and then have the bottom bar the same thickness?

Definitely not. Any thinner would look even "quirkier". I believe this is the best thus far.

Pink Floyd -- First in Space

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Originally posted by: klokwerk
Sluggo:
I've created 10d which is 10b with a line over "Shroud of the" in addition to the one under "dark side" that was already there.

auximenies:
It's unlikely that we'll need to use a square logo often, if at all. However, I think 5 is the definitive square logo and I'll keep it just in case.

MTHaslett:
The problem with creating a logo that has a less prominent "of the" is that then "Shroud" needs to be bigger. See my next comment.

I agree with your idea that "the logos that have bars seem far more like the title of a movie". That's another reason I wanted to v11 to see if the extra line made a difference.

I commend you on the poster mock-ups, btw. I will take a crack at recreating them in photoshop once I finalise the SOTDS logo.

Trooperman:
Nice to see you back in the thread. I'm glad the logo designs inspired you to create a mockup logo as I think your third one is the best possible logo. However, when I tried to recreate it in high-res there's a problem. The stretching/squeezing of "Shroud" becomes painfully obvious and the logo suffers as a result. I tried to:
* get the "S" of "Shroud" to not look so big in comparison to the rest of "shroud".
* have "hroud" not be stretched/squeezed so dramatically
* make the two lines fit together without being distorted at all

However, no matter what i did it just doesn't look as good as it could due to "Shroud of the" not fitting across the top without being distorted. I have posted my result below but it isn't pretty. The "S" bar is too thick and the rest of "shroud" is too stretched.

THX:
Yep. All the reasons you mention are why I couldn't get a variety of designs to work. Unfortunately this includes Trooperman's #3 logo which I think is the perfect one to use.

GoldStone9:
Thanks for uploading that AOTC concept art scan.

Everyone:
Well, here are the latest logos. Version 11 is a revised v10 with an extra bar above "shroud of the". I suspect that since so many of you loved 10B that 11B's okay? Version 12 is my attempt at recreating Trooperman's very nice logo. Unfortunately I can't proportion the "S" of "Shroud" right in relation to the rest of the word. Plus, the rest of the word has to be stretched and squeezed in order to fill out the space in the top line. More thoughts on either of these?:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/paulgaliazzo/sotds_12_test9.gif


Wow, some great stuff there! Congrats to Klokwerk!
It's weird, seems I'm the odd man out here, as I really love 11b and 11c!
I don't know, something about that top "S-bar" just rubs me wrong graphically. Sorry...
Is there any chance of having any kind of alteranate poster version with 11c for those of us (or maybe just me?) that favors the "non-S-bar" version?
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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Great stuff, InfoDroid!

Here's another hit-and-run rip-o-matic. Consider this a rough of "Style B" for SOTD. Okay, I'll stop now.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7291/sotdteaserstyleb2cc7.jpg

updated -- Mace has BLUE lightsaber in "SOTD"!


Wow, MTHaslett, that "Style B" version looks absolutely brilliant. Wow.
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Originally posted by: THX
To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos.

So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.


Glad to hear I'm not alone in loving the "11's". I totally agree with the above. My personal favourite is the slightly angled 11c.
I totally respect Trooperman's final arbitration on the matter though, the man deserves the final say for his masterpiece.
A few alternates for us infidels would be great though ;-) A style B poster with a 11b or 11c logo should look incredible.