In fact even before Go-Mer came, most of our topics were about the PT. When I first arrived here in 2004, most of our discussion had nothing to do with the OT and in fact was all about the PT and people speculating on how Lucas was going to resolve certain plot points in the PT.
So? I'd much rather read Jay, Zion, Anchorhead, Gaffer Tape, Darth Evil, CO, Cable X-1, Invader Jenny, Tiptup, and other OUT fans discuss the PT instead of reading Go-Mer-Tonic, Jedi Randy, Stormtrooper 1776, Darth Toe Jam, and other PT fans discuss anything. When I'm in the mood for their opinions, I go elsewhere. At least I used to, before the infection spread.
Sorry bud, but it doesn't work that way--you can't say PT discussion isn't allowed, then turn around and say it is but only in certain circumstances. It either is or it isn't.
And the
last way you're going to win an arguement is by saying "You can speak, but only as long as you agree with me." Guess what? You don't own the forum, and the people who DO own it apparently see nothing wrong with Go-Mer or pro-PT discussion, or they would say so. Your behavior is the height of arrogance and self-righteousness.
Spare me your ivory tower routine. First of all, I expressed a preference - I didn't issue a mandate (I don't own the forum? Crikey!). If expressing a preference is arrogance, than who in fuck's name ISN'T arrogant?
Second of all, re-read the passage and say that I think the PT shouldn't be discussed. You have assigned motive to me which doesn't exist, and that's dishonest.
Thirdly, if this forum is only for discussing the OUT, why do we have a section called "Theatrical Cuts vs. Special Editions"? Oops, facts shoot you in the foot once again.
Again, for the zillionth time, my belief was that this is a site for OUT fans. That thread title is the topic, not the fans involved, which I assumed was understood.
In fact, the name "originaltrilogy.com" has nothing to do with the forum itself, but simply that this site is a campaign headquarters for the preservation of the original, unaltered versions of the first three Star Wars movies. The forum is not even the main goal or feature of this site--it is purely an accessory.
It's a campaign HQ - for like-minded fans.
Only in your interpretation.
My congratulations on your cornering the market on reality.
The idea that originaltrilogy.com is a site strictly for those who don't like the PT and who only want to discuss the original versions of the first three Star Wars films is entirely a modern myth.
Yes, I remember the extensive discussion on this topic at a lyceum our local university hosted.
Unless the founders and owners of this site were present at this discussion, whatever conclusions you came to are still your subjective beliefs and don't mean jack.
There was no lyceum. I was mocking the solemnity with which you approach this. You are treating this like it's life and death, I'm angry about this in the way one is angry about a development on a TV series. It starts and ends when I check in and out of here.
Again, I gush over your objectivity. Are you running in '08?
The entire focus of this site is getting the O-OT out on DVD and in the best quality possible. If you support that, you belong here. Go-Mer supports that, so he belongs.
I, for one among many, doubt the sincerity of that support.
Too bad your doubts mean nothing. That is, unless you have some damning evidence that his support is just a facade. And no, "he supports the PT" is not evidence.
Why does
his expressed support mean anything? It costs him nothing to lie.
(In fact, I've begun to wonder if we'll next petition for the uncut, theatrical release of the PT).
Why on earth would that petition begin here?
This forum was NEVER about bashing the PT or the SEs, in fact there have been many, many members here who have loved both and don't demonize George Lucas
-none of whom try to jam the PT/SE up our ass. Notice no one is complaining about those other "many, many members?" Explain that, resident sociologist.
Again your stance changes. First you say there shouldn't be PT/SE discussion at all,
Stop here and read my response at the top of the page to this fallacy. Then please explain why none of these other PT/SE fans haven't gotten the Gomer treatment. Why is this limited to Go-Mer?
Furthermore, I've been involved in many of the same discussions as Go-Mer (and not always on his side) and I fail to see how he's "jamming it up our ass" any more than any other PT fan is, and I've never once seen him derail a topic as many here claim. Indeed, in every topic I've seen where he talks about the PT, the PT was already a relevant topic anyway. The only thing he does is take a stance that isn't precisely the same as all the angry extremist anti-Lucas nerds here, in fact he's probably the most cool-minded and reasonable poster here.
As Go-Mer is fond of quoting, "Your focus determines your reality." You do not see how because it doesn't fit your worldview. Wait, what am I saying? You're
objective!
If anything, it's not Go-Mer that derails topics... its people who spam up every topic Go-Mer is in just so they can bash him. Which, by the way, I've read this board's terms of service, and harrassing another member is A VIOLATION OF THOSE TERMS. And yet, Go-Mer's critics have made a topic all about Go-Mer--by this site's own TOS, that should be grounds for an immediate ban of the topic starter (not to mention, this topic is posted in "General Star Wars" when in fact it has nothing to do with Star Wars, so its off-topic as well).
I agree with most of what you say here. I didn't make (and haven't made) the topic, and I won't start one once this one is locked. However, if you think I'm wrong for contributing to it, well, what are you doing here? You're not a mod. If you're appalled at the illegality of this thread, then your additions to it only make it grow.
I also like the "people who joined the forum quite recently". I'm sure that matters.
It matters a lot--it shows you have no grounds for claiming that this forum is meant to cater to a specific mindset. It's awfully pretentious of you to come in here and act like you know more about this forum and its purpose than the long-time members and even its founders.
Now who's the fucking OT.com police!? I've read the threads, I'm familiar with the membership, I've participated here, so I come around, toss a few opinions around based on my experiences here, and I'm not allowed to comment? Does it matter at all that I wasn't around for PSYCHO-DAYV's controversial departure or OCP's drunken taunting of other fan editors? This is what I've seen during my time here and it's as accurate as I know it to be without spending serious time on it.
It's awfuly pretentious of you to come in here and think you know me, but I forgot - you're
objective!
I once knew a kid who was just like you--he would come over on weekends, and proceed to act like everything I owned was his. He would decide what movies we were and weren't allowed to watch, what video games we weren't allowed to play, and what activities we were and weren't to anticipate in. He would even plug devices into my computer without permission (which caused me to have to delete several viruses). I like to keep things perfectly organized, but he would leave games on the floor and CD-ROMs laying on tables, out of cases. Finally, I got sick of him and simply said I don't want him to come over anymore.
See? Objective! I'm exactly like this!
(because you're more literal than anyone I've run across, that was sarcasm)
You're the same damn way: You come to this forum with fists swinging and laying down all these rules about what is and isn't allowed, but guess what: This is not your forum. You don't own it, you didn't create it. All you did was fill out a signup form and recieve a password. You haven't even been here half as long as Go-Mer has
Check each of our signup dates, ass.
and yet you have this notion that God or someone has given you divine authority to tell Go-Mer what he is or isn't allowed to post. So sorry, but Go-Mer has not violated the TOS or any forum rules, so he is quite welcome here unless the actual moderators of this.
...yes?
YOU are little more than a spoiled, pampered brat, crying "me me me." YOU are the one who does not belong here, because this forum is about Star Wars, and that's ALL Star Wars, not just the parts you want to hear about, not just pandering to your private wants, not just you, you, you.
Fuck you very much. And NOW who's making assumptions about this forums?
You want a forum where all anyone can talk about is what you want to hear? Make your own forum. Don't pester up forums that you didn't create and are not a recognized authority figure on and go telling everyone what we're not allowed to say.
"Recognized authority figure?" OMG, is this a paying position somewhere? Was there a "recognized authority figure" on Meet The Press one day laying out the history of this forum one Sunday?
The underlying tone of your responses is interesting. I've done nothing more than call it like I see it. Yet, you respond as though I have some sort of power to make people do what I want. Why do you feel this way? What color is the sky on your planet?
Does the hostility by some here bother you? Good. Now you have a taste of what it felt like over there.
So... this entire arguement is because you have some unfulfilled need for revenge?