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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Well, the hierarchy usually goes something like this:

Movies
Book of movie
Radio drama (book of movie and radio drama might be swapped)
Novels, comics, etc all fall under here.

So basically, if it takes place in a movie, it overrides everything.

If I'm not mistaken, the Infinities line is an alternate "What if?" series. I know that they also changed the comics within the last year or so to include a logo that says "this stuff may or may not be canon". The comics use to actually write stories that would fit in canon. Now, I don't think they even bother.



Infinities is defenitely non-canon. They have some bizarre stuff in there. IIRC, they had one were Chewbacca crash-landed the Millenium Falcon on earth and became bigfoot.


Actually, I think that was Star Wars Tales (featuring Skippy The Jedi Droid). Indiana Jones found him many years later, crying over Han's skull.

I think one set of Infinities, for ROTJ, ended with Yoda blowing up Coruscant, and the Emperor as well, with the second Death Star. Darth Vader also got a white (!!!) suit of armor. Leia also became a Jedi.
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Let me know when they have one where Leia becomes a pole dancer.
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Originally posted by: TiptupNot at all. The last scene with Darth Vader before you see him on the Star Destroyer has him walking outside onto a landing platform. He's stomping and his voice oozes with anger and frustration as he says, "Prepare my shuttle." That was gorgeous.


Crap, you're right. I completely forgot about that.

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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Well, the hierarchy usually goes something like this:

Movies
Book of movie
Radio drama (book of movie and radio drama might be swapped)
Novels, comics, etc all fall under here.

So basically, if it takes place in a movie, it overrides everything.

If I'm not mistaken, the Infinities line is an alternate "What if?" series. I know that they also changed the comics within the last year or so to include a logo that says "this stuff may or may not be canon". The comics use to actually write stories that would fit in canon. Now, I don't think they even bother.



Infinities is defenitely non-canon. They have some bizarre stuff in there. IIRC, they had one were Chewbacca crash-landed the Millenium Falcon on earth and became bigfoot.


Actually, I think that was Star Wars Tales (featuring Skippy The Jedi Droid). Indiana Jones found him many years later, crying over Han's skull.

I think one set of Infinities, for ROTJ, ended with Yoda blowing up Coruscant, and the Emperor as well, with the second Death Star. Darth Vader also got a white (!!!) suit of armor. Leia also became a Jedi.


I found one SW Infinities that took the situation of The Empire Strikes Back if Luke had died in the Wampa cave. Leia and Han end up on Dagobah, I think.

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Let me know when they have one where Leia becomes a pole dancer.
They already did that. It's called Return Of The Jedi
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I guess they could never have enough of Leia as a pole dancer for my tastes.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic Mark Hammil looked entirely different in ESB and ROTJ than he did in ANH. That's on par with Yoda's appearance change.



Originally posted by: ADigitalMan Mark Hamill was in a car accident before ESB filmed.

They even worked it into the plot by having the Wampa maul his face.

No such excuse with Yoda.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic 1) Luke looks different before the wampa attack.

2) TPM Yoda will be fixed in the 2007 boxset.

3) I googled those pictures and did not photoshop them.

4) If I was trolling I would have used a picture of Luke from the Holiday Special.



You know what, some people are calling you a troll, some just don't like your PT views on this OT board, whatever I can handle your opposing views, but those statements I quoted above are bullshit.

I would lean towards calling that trying to get a rise out of posters here, care to explain?

Poor dude got in a motherfucking car accident and you blame him for looking different between movies. That's in poor taste and seems to me like clutching at straws to use that to support your argument.

If you want to bring that up, how about I bring up Ewan McGregor’s difference in appearance in Episodes 1 and 2. Not between films, in them.

In episode 1 check out the scene before the naboo battle with Obi Wan and Qui Gon where he apologises for being out of line yadda yadda yadda. Ewan looks about 10 pounds heavier and is sporting a bad wig. Explanation. Reshoots.

In episode 2 check out the scene in the elevator, the introduction of Obi Wan and Anakin. Ewan is sporting in my opinion the worst beard and wig in cinema in the last 20 years. There are little shots of these all throughout the movie, like his close-up before he gets floored by Dooku in their Lightsaber fight. Explanation. Reshoots.

Please don't make me have to dust off my dvds to provide screencaps, please.

Again, these aren't between films, these differences are in the same films.

It's hardly Lucas' fault what happens to his actors between filmimg, so if you want to bring up Mark's appearance I can counteract with Ewan's.

At least Lucas could of made sure Ewan got better wigs. If they can provide Liam with a decent wig and fake beard why not extend the same service for Ewan.

If you want to retract the above statements I'll accept that.



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Originally posted by: see you auntie
You know what, some people are calling you a troll, some just don't like your PT views on this OT board, whatever I can handle your opposing views, but those statements I quoted above are bullshit. I would lean towards calling that trying to get a rise out of posters here, care to explain? They are my opinions, and they may differ from the opinions of some of the other people here.
Originally posted by: see you auntie
Poor dude got in a motherfucking car accident and you blame him for looking different between movies. That's in poor taste and seems to me like clutching at straws to use that to support your argument. I didn't blame him, I'm just saying TPM Yoda looked more like the Yoda we see in the rest of the movies than Luke looked like Luke from ANH as compared to ESB and ROTJ. I was just saying if we could let it slide for the classic trilogy, why couldn't most of us roll along with something like that in the prequels? Where did you get the idea I blamed Mark Hammil for being in a car accident?
Originally posted by: see you auntie
If you want to bring that up, how about I bring up Ewan McGregor’s difference in appearance in Episodes 1 and 2. Not between films, in them. If it makes you feel better. His reshoots have been particularly obvious.
Originally posted by: see you auntie
In episode 1 check out the scene before the naboo battle with Obi Wan and Qui Gon where he apologises for being out of line yadda yadda yadda. Ewan looks about 10 pounds heavier and is sporting a bad wig. Explanation. Reshoots. In episode 2 check out the scene in the elevator, the introduction of Obi Wan and Anakin. Ewan is sporting in my opinion the worst beard and wig in cinema in the last 20 years. There are little shots of these all throughout the movie, like his close-up before he gets floored by Dooku in their Lightsaber fight. Explanation. Reshoots. Please don't make me have to dust off my dvds to provide screencaps, please.
It's okay, I dispute none of it. I was just saying I thought it was hypocritical to blast the prequels for things that were just as true about the classic trilogy.Originally posted by: see you auntie It's hardly Lucas' fault what happens to his actors between filmimg, so if you want to bring up Mark's appearance I can counteract with Ewan's.
Thanks for helping to prove my point that the classic trilogy had the same problems.Originally posted by: see you auntie
At least Lucas could of made sure Ewan got better wigs. If they can provide Liam with a decent wig and fake beard why not extend the same service for Ewan.
I think it's harder to do short hair wigs and make them look good.Originally posted by: see you auntie
If you want to retract the above statements I'll accept that.
Well, I stand by my comments but do distance myself from your assumption that I was blaming Mark Hammil for being in an accident.
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Originally posted by: see you auntie
You know what, some people are calling you a troll, some just don't like your PT views on this OT board, whatever I can handle your opposing views, but those statements I quoted above are bullshit. I would lean towards calling that trying to get a rise out of posters here, care to explain?
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They are my opinions, and they may differ from the opinions of some of the other people here.

Nothing wrong with opinion.

But......

To make a comparison about a puppet looking different which I don't even care about, you claimed that Luke also looked different between movies. Fine. I've got no problem with that.

When ADM claimed Luke looked different because of his car accident, which is out of the control of all humans, Yoda had no such accident cause he's a freakin' puppet he's in the hands of the puppet people. Agreed?

I think that was a bad analogy on your part. But mistakes are made you're only human. Comparing something that was out of ones control to something that was with in ones control is a bad analogy. Agreed?


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Originally posted by: see you auntie
Poor dude got in a motherfucking car accident and you blame him for looking different between movies. That's in poor taste and seems to me like clutching at straws to use that to support your argument.
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I didn't blame him, I'm just saying TPM Yoda looked more like the Yoda we see in the rest of the movies than Luke looked like Luke from ANH as compared to ESB and ROTJ. I was just saying if we could let it slide for the classic trilogy, why couldn't most of us roll along with something like that in the prequels? Where did you get the idea I blamed Mark Hammil for being in a car accident?

We let Mark's difference in appearance slide because like I said the poor dude was in a motherfucking car accident.

And I never said you blame Mark for being in a car accident. Don't put words in my mouth. I said you blame his difference in appearance on being in a car accident. Let that slide, he could have been killed. Agreed?

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Originally posted by: see you auntie
If you want to bring that up, how about I bring up Ewan McGregor’s difference in appearance in Episodes 1 and 2. Not between films, in them.
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If it makes you feel better. His reshoots have been particularly obvious.

So we agree on that. That wasn't really up for debate though. As it's obvious to most.

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Originally posted by: see you auntie
In episode 1 check out the scene before the naboo battle with Obi Wan and Qui Gon where he apologises for being out of line yadda yadda yadda. Ewan looks about 10 pounds heavier and is sporting a bad wig. Explanation. Reshoots. In episode 2 check out the scene in the elevator, the introduction of Obi Wan and Anakin. Ewan is sporting in my opinion the worst beard and wig in cinema in the last 20 years. There are little shots of these all throughout the movie, like his close-up before he gets floored by Dooku in their Lightsaber fight. Explanation. Reshoots. Please don't make me have to dust off my dvds to provide screencaps, please.
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It's okay, I dispute none of it. I was just saying I thought it was hypocritical to blast the prequels for things that were just as true about the classic trilogy.


Agreed. But we can't blame Mark for his change in appearance. Shit happens in life. But people (not me I don't care, so don't argue it with me) can argue why Yoda looks different in 10 years or whatever the argument is.

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Originally posted by: see you auntie It's hardly Lucas' fault what happens to his actors between filmimg, so if you want to bring up Mark's appearance I can counteract with Ewan's.
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Thanks for helping to prove my point that the classic trilogy had the same problems


I'm not proving anyone's point I'm stating my opinion. But see above. Yoda's appearance is controllable, Mark's is not. Bad analogy.

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At least Lucas could of made sure Ewan got better wigs. If they can provide Liam with a decent wig and fake beard why not extend the same service for Ewan.
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I think it's harder to do short hair wigs and make them look good.


That's a definite statement. Is that the expert opinion of a wigmaker?

Ewan had a fake long haired wig in Episode 2 and beard same as Liam in Episode 1. I don't think I need to you to answer which looks remarkably better.

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Well, I stand by my comments but do distance myself from your assumption that I was blaming Mark Hammil for being in an accident.


Again I never said you blamed Mark but you do blame his change in appearance because of the accident. I don't care if he looks different, which he does, because he has my sympathy, he could of died.

The whole reason for my post was that I thought bringing up Mark's accident to prove a point was in poor taste. Now if you retract that I'll accept it.

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I honestly don't think Mark looks that different between the first two movies. I think he looks more different in ROTJ, but it's mostly just aging.

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He doesn't look remarkably different but still slightly different.

He doesn't seem as baby faced as in Star Wars. Age/ Car Accident? Who knows?

If I argued he doesn't look differnet at all it would be like banging my head against a brick wall.

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Originally posted by: see you auntie
To make a comparison about a puppet looking different which I don't even care about, you claimed that Luke also looked different between movies. Fine. I've got no problem with that.

When ADM claimed Luke looked different because of his car accident, which is out of the control of all humans, Yoda had no such accident cause he's a freakin' puppet he's in the hands of the puppet people. Agreed?

I think that was a bad analogy on your part. But mistakes are made you're only human. Comparing something that was out of ones control to something that was with in ones control is a bad analogy. Agreed? If my point was that the classic trilogy also had main characters who looked different between films, and I used the fact that Luke looked different between ANH and ESB, then I think the comparison was apt. I wasn't even getting into -why- they looked different. Certainly, I didn't blame Mark for being in an accident.

The reason Yoda looked different was because the original puppet had disintegrated, and they set out to make a more emotive version of Yoda. In the end the combination of his new expressive abilities and his "more youthful" sculpt resulted in a Yoda that was a little further from what he was originally than should have been the case. That's why they are replacing this puppet Yoda with CG.
Originally posted by: see you auntiePoor dude got in a motherfucking car accident and you blame him for looking different between movies. That's in poor taste and seems to me like clutching at straws to use that to support your argument.
I didn't blame him, I'm just saying TPM Yoda looked more like the Yoda we see in the rest of the movies than Luke looked like Luke from ANH as compared to ESB and ROTJ. I was just saying if we could let it slide for the classic trilogy, why couldn't most of us roll along with something like that in the prequels? Where did you get the idea I blamed Mark Hammil for being in a car accident? We let Mark's difference in appearance slide because like I said the poor dude was in a motherfucking car accident.

And I never said you blame Mark for being in a car accident. Don't put words in my mouth. I said you blame his difference in appearance on being in a car accident. Let that slide, he could have been killed. Agreed? Yes it's terrible he was in an accident.
Originally posted by: see you auntie But we can't blame Mark for his change in appearance. Shit happens in life. But people (not me I don't care, so don't argue it with me) can argue why Yoda looks different in 10 years or whatever the argument is.
That was my point is either way you can make sense of both Luke and Yoda looking different. It just seems that a lot of people only wanted to roll along with stuff like that for the classic trilogy, but they don't want to do that with the prequels now.Originally posted by: see you auntie
I'm not proving anyone's point I'm stating my opinion. But see above. Yoda's appearance is controllable, Mark's is not. Bad analogy.
Well I think they tried to make a good Yoda for Episode I but it just didn't work out. Was it controllable? I don't know. With the original puppet being destroyed, they had to make a new one. They could have made it look just like the old one but I don't blame them for trying to make him look younger.Originally posted by: see you auntie
At least Lucas could of made sure Ewan got better wigs. If they can provide Liam with a decent wig and fake beard why not extend the same service for Ewan.I think it's harder to do short hair wigs and make them look good.
That's a definite statement. Is that the expert opinion of a wigmaker?
I don't know any, it just seems logical to me as a wig layperson.

I don't think the reason -for- Mark's appearance change renders my point that "his appearance had changed" in bad taste.
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The reason Yoda looked different was because the original puppet had dicintigrated, and they set out to make a more emotive version of Yoda. In the end the combination of his new expressive abilities and his "more youthful" sculpt resulted in a Yoda that was a little further from what he was originally than should have been the case. That's why they are replacing this puppet Yoda with CG.


Well I think they tried to make a good Yoda for Episode I but it just didn't work out. Was it controllable? I don't know. With the original puppet being destroyed, they had to make a new one. They could have made it look just like the old one but I don't blame them for trying to make him look younger.


Originally posted by: see you auntie

But people (not me I don't care, so don't argue it with me) can argue why Yoda looks different in 10 years or whatever the argument is.




Personally, I think you missed my points completely, the above quote shows me you don't take into consideration what I say much at all.

I take into account exactly what you say and give it thought, you just seem to be at the ready to spout off some rhetoric without contemplating my point. If I can give you time and consideration in regards to what you say why not the same for me. Next time, may I suggest you take the time to read what I wrote give it time to sink in then reply.

This may not be the case but it's the way it appears to me.

Congratulations though, I am officially bored with this topic. I'm sure others will have some more to say about your arguments.

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I just want to add that I usually feel the same way when he replies to me.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

If my point was that the classic trilogy also had main characters who looked different between films, and I used the fact that Luke looked different between ANH and ESB, then I think the comparison was apt.


Yeah, you could say your comparison was "apt" in the same way that comparing a child's theft of a lollipop to the perpetration of Nazi concentration camps is apt.

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I really don't see how comparing my pointing out the fact that Luke looked different between ANH and ESB to the Nazi's use of concentation camps is making your case that I'm the one who can't respect other people's opinions, or that I distort other people's arguments into ridiculous parodies.
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Originally posted by: see you auntie

This may not be the case but it's the way it appears to me.



Well I guess this is the case then, since you don't even have enough respect for my opinion to bother replying to my post.

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Your last post indicated that you were now "officially bored" with the topic, and that you were sure others would be interested further commenting on my statememnts.

Could you please restate what it is you feel I wasn't adressing in my last post to you.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I really don't see how comparing my pointing out the fact that Luke looked different between ANH and ESB to the Nazi's use of concentation camps is making your case that I'm the one who can't respect other people's opinions, or that I distort other people's arguments into ridiculous parodies.


Hah, don't be a dick, Go-Mer. You seriously didn't notice my winking smile icon? Funny.

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Okay, that does make more sense.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Okay, that does make more sense.



I don't care if it makes sense, you need to start posting at ORS, and forget about this site, you buddy Jedi Randy atleast has the guts to post there, and he is a welcome addition. Meet me over at ORS, and we can have a real debate about the PT.
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I don't see why we can't do that here.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't see why we can't do that here.


I am going to hound you at this site forever until you start posting there, and the reason you don't post at ORS, is people over there aren't going to take your endless bullshit posts and let you get away with what you do at other sites. These people will rip you a new asshole at that place, so everytime I see you post here Gomer, I will follow it up with

"When you will be posting at ORS?"

Have fun here, cause you have annoyed the shit out of people on this site, and drove many off, so now I want you to come to a place where people will actually debate you and won't leave that site cause of your presence.