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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut
Very impressive gear you used to capture the audio BTW. Have you tried the Apogee U22 plug in for dithering? Meant to be the bees knees apparently. Cheers!


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There is a UV22 option on the Rosetta. It is, however, designed as a final mastering treatment and not recomended for work in progress, as further manipulation to a UV22 processed file can cause problems. The Waves dither (in the configuration used) is much more forgiving in this respect.
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Belbucus, are you still working on the 1985 Mix?

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I will get to it. But it does require substantially more work than the soundtracks for ESB and RotJ, and it's just not particularly high on my list. I actually hope to be getting the mono mix back on track this week. In the meantime, look for a new "iso-score / DC '93 hybrid" coming soon via the usual channels. I'll elaborate more once it has been posted.
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Newsgroups: alt.binaries.starwars
Subject: Belbucus' Isolated Score synced to GOUT


Archive: ISOSCORE 48.zip
Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name
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1395147160 Defl:N 1139850230 18% 10-27-06 21:19 3f8f4674 ISOSCORE 48.wav

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A few comments about the latest soundtrack synch to the GOUT – my take on an isolated score: I realize this has been done before. In fact it was not till I had finished this that I had a chance to hear the Editdroid version (which I thought was quite good).

There are however, a few things that distinguish this version from the previous ones. First, any un-scored sections have been filled with the audio from the DC ’93 mix. Second, in most cases the levels have been remixed to approximate the way they played in the context of the film. I say “in most cases” as some of the more dramatic level rides in the film were to make room for other sound elements, and do not lend themselves well to presenting the music on its own. The other change worth mentioning is that I added treatments to the very clean CD versions of the Cantina cues to more approximate the way they sound in the film (depicting music performed live within the scene as opposed to a disembodied score).

I am pretty happy with the way it came together. I almost enjoy it more as a stand-alone audio piece. This was always one of my favorite John Williams scores, and it’s nice to hear it exactly as it was in the film with the bridging of the additional audio.

Once again, this should synch to the GOUT DVD with the same offset applied to the DC48 and DS48 files. It has also been mastered at the same reference level as the DC’93 PCM and the 2nd issue/re-adjusted Dolby Stereo mix.
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Wow, Belbucus. Synching all of the different audio tracks for Star Wars itself was such a great thing to do. But doing a new isolated score track from scratch that's synched to the GOUT? That's so awesome of you. Thanks again for all these tracks. I have them all sitting here on my external hard drive (waiting for me to track down an NTSC set of the GOUT as my previous win for the trilogy fell through due to a shonky ebayer).

I will have to wait for some filefactory-type links from some kind soul before I can hear this isolated score, but I am curious. Did you use just the 2CD soundtracks as your source? Also, for cues that were not used in the film but presented on the discs did you reinsert these? Finally, do you intend to do similar tracks for Empire & Jedi?

Also, I was wondering if it would be at all worth it sending mallanikkelsen's MP3 of the "Descriptive Audio" for Star Wars your way? I know an MP3 is a horrible source to work from but in the case of the descriptive audio this is the best that's been found so far (and it would be cool to sync it up to the film even as a DD2.0 192kbps track).

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Originally posted by: klokwerk
Darth Mallwalker provided me with some Filefactory links for 'Belbucus' '77 Dolby Stereo synced to GOUT' for those of us without newsgroup access. There are 3 RAR files that contain a single WAV file (the 3 RAR files being part of a series).

Here are the links:
DS48_DVD.part1.rar
DS48_DVD.part2.rar
DS48_DVD.part3.rar

I've downloaded it and am very grateful. It's nice to see my Star Wars audio mix collection grow. Thank you Belbucus for synching all these various tracks to the GOUT, and to Mallwalker and boba feta for uploading/providing links.


Can you please reupload part 3?
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Spock I'd love to but my upload is way too slow to be able to upload a file this large. You'll have to hope someone else can help out here. Sorry mate.

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Belbucus, you grabbed the audio representing the Star Wars 35mm mix from laserdisc but is there (or do you have?) also a laserdisc of The empire strikes back with the 35mm mix. I read the 70mm and 35mm mixes of Empire are very different too. I guess the Empire '93 DC is more or less the 70mm mix?
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Belbucus, you grabbed the audio representing the Star Wars 35mm mix from laserdisc but is there (or do you have?) also a laserdisc of The empire strikes back with the 35mm mix. I read the 70mm and 35mm mixes of Empire are very different too. I guess the Empire '93 DC is more or less the 70mm mix?


Yes, the ESB 70mm mix is different, with some changed lines and voices, among other things. but, the ESB 70mm mix isn't really available in any form as of yet. The 2004 DVDs are based on the 70mm mix and have most of the differences, I think. Someone who is more knowledgeable about such things might be able to correct me if I am wrong. There was a discussion on this thread about recreating the ESB 70mm mix from the DVDs, but it didn't happen. Hopefully someone will take on the project of recreating it, or maybe it will finally surface.
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I think this laserdisc contains the Dolby Stereo mix found on 35mm prints.
I've got an AC3 file (IIRC 224kbps, not synced to GOUT) if you'd like to compare. Artoo doesn't taste very good.

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I read what the differences are so I don't need to compare but I was just wondering if it was available in the same quality as the Dolby Stereo mix.
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Originally posted by: klocwerk
Did you use just the 2CD soundtracks as your source?
Yes.

Originally posted by: klocwerk
Also, for cues that were not used in the film but presented on the discs did you reinsert these?
No, the effect I was going for was to present the full soundtrack – stripping out everything except the score whenever a cue played.

Originally posted by: klocwerk
Finally, do you intend to do similar tracks for Empire & Jedi?

No.

Originally posted by: klocwerk
Also, I was wondering if it would be at all worth it sending mallanikkelsen's MP3 of the "Descriptive Audio" for Star Wars your way?

It would not be of any personal interest, though I would consider contributing to an effort to make this available (to Allan in particular, as I am in his debt for providing me with some of the material used in the mono mix restoration).

Originally posted by: Mallwalker
I think this laserdisc contains the Dolby Stereo mix found on 35mm prints.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t all versions of ESB (and RotJ) prior to the DC ’93 use the 35mm Dolby Stereo mix? And if so, wouldn’t the “89 WS or “92 P&S with PCM digital tracks provide a superior source? Again, I’m not sure that there is ultimately much to be gained in pursuing a synch of the pre ’93 audio for either film. In each case, I think one would find them to be very similar to the PCM ’93 mixes.
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Again, I’m not sure that there is ultimately much to be gained in pursuing a synch of the pre ’93 audio for either film. In each case, I think one would find them to be very similar to the PCM ’93 mixes.


According to wikipedia:

The Empire Strikes Back
The 70mm version of the film was substantially different from the 35mm version that was more widely seen.

The Imperial fleet establishing shot after the magic tree scene has a different TIE fighter sound effect.
The telepathy between Luke and Vader during the "Hyperspace" cue has straight cuts instead of quick dissolves.
On Hoth, right after C-3PO tells R2 to "Switch off," R2 gives out a little 'blurp.'
When Luke finally collapses in the snow, he lets out a grunt as he lands on his face.
Han says "until I can get the shelter up" instead of "until I can get the shelter built."
Luke says an additional "Ben... Dagobah..." just before Han says "and I thought they smelled bad on the outside."
When C-3PO tells Luke "It's so good to see you fully functional again," Luke replies "Thanks, Threepio."
The line "Headquarters personnel report to Command Center" is repeated three times instead of two.
The line "The first transport is away!" is said in a different voice altogether.
When R2 is being loaded into Luke's X-Wing, C-3PO says the word "and" before saying "do take good care of yourself."
Han's line "Transport, this is Solo. Better take off, I can't get to you. I'll get her out on the Falcon" is followed by, "Come on!"
In the asteroid field, after C-3PO says "Oh, this is suicide," he says, "There's no where to go."
In the scene where R2-D2 is spit up by the bog beast, Luke says "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
Yoda makes a frightened "Ehhhhh!" sound just before Luke says "Like we're being watched" and points his blaster at him.
Yoda says the word "Run!" before "Yes. A Jedi's strength flows from the force." The following lines "But beware the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side of the force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight" are also much louder and clearer.
In Cloud City, after C-3PO says "That sounds like an R2 unit in there. I wonder if it..." he says "Hello?" only once instead of twice.
Before C-3PO gets shot, a different voice says "Who are you?"
While C-3PO is on Chewie's back when they enter the carbon freezing chamber, the line "Now remember, Chewbacca, you have a responsibility to me, so don't do anything foolish" is louder and heard more clearly.
During the duel, when Luke knocks Vader off the platform, Vader lets out an "ooooh!" instead of an "aaargh!"
Lando's line at the end, "Luke, we're ready for takeoff." is a different take.
In the final scene, there is no tracked music from "Yoda and the Force".
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I've never done an actual comparison, but does the DC '93 mix feature all the differences particular to the 70mm mix? If so, I stand corrected. My only contention was that they were perhaps relatively similar in overall sonic quality.
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I have no idea. I thought you would know. You are the audio expert at ot.com. And Neil Bulk ofcourse. Maybe he knows.
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I know of one sound effect that went missing in '93 but had been present in earlier home video releases both analog and digital.

Right before the Imperial walker blows up the main power station, it shoots down a speeder.
That speeder's out-of-control engine sound before its crash was mysteriously removed from the '93 remix.
It's heard on Digital Sound laserdiscs of the late 80's as well as analog LDs from the mid-80's.

I've always assumed Burtt couldn't resist his urge to tweak the mix when he made the first digital master in the mid-80's (like he did Threepio's tractor beam line in the first film). Maybe I'm wrong. It could be true that all pre-93 versions, both analog and digital, had the same content possibly with different EQ or dynamic range compression.

Despite some difference(s) like the speeder engine sound, all pre-SE versions (both pre/post-93) seem to line up in the "35mm" right-hand column of the list Arnie.d posted from wookieepedia.
Not until SE'97 that we heard those 70mm elements for the first time in an official home video release.

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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I'm still confused about the audio delays. I demuxed Star Wars, added 1.017 seconds of silence at the beginning of the PCM track and compared it to the AC3 file. It matched perfectly. So I muxed the PCM track, AC3 track and my re-encoded video. But both PCM and AC3 were out of sync. I opened the d2v (DGIndex with forced film) file in virtualdub and selected the very first frame of the crawl. It started at 29.238 seconds. I opened the original PCM file and looked were the music for the crawl started. It started at 27.800 seconds. So I set a delay of 1.438 seconds and now the PCM track is perfectly in sync with the video although it differs from the original AC3 track.
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Thanks Belbucus for the replies to my inquiries about the isolated score. It's nice to see this is a different approach to the 2 (3?) other isolated score mixes out there. Not that they're bad, just nice to have options. Plus the bonus being this is GOUT-synched.

So, does a kind individual want to upload the isolated score to Filefactory? Pretty please?

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Originally posted by: klokwerk
Spock I'd love to but my upload is way too slow to be able to upload a file this large. You'll have to hope someone else can help out here. Sorry mate.


Don't worry about it. I found out that my ISP offered newgroup access so I got it off of there.
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Well I just finished downloading the isolated score and it's awesome. I like the way you kept the dialog for the parts without music rather than having pure silence.

EDIT: Also can't wait for that restored mono mix. If the 35mm synced to GOUT and isolated score synced to GOUT where the appetizers, the restored mono mix is the main course and desert.
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Spock, glad to hear you were able to download the 77 stereo mix and the isolated score mix from the newsgroups.

I'm also bumping this thread because of my earlier request: Could somebody please upload the isolated score mix in 3 RAR files as was done with all the other mixes so far? Pleast?

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The '77 Mix may be downloaded here.

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boba feta, is that the 77 stereo? If you were responding to Spock's request I believe he already snagged that mix from the newsgroups. I was asking for the isolated score mix to be uploaded.

I hope you haven't uploaded the 77 stereo for me as I already have it.

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