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What's Original '77 and What's Not? — Page 3

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Originally posted by: StarWarsFan1976
ok what i mean was there all this diff versions of STAR WARS from 1977 for video there is the the bootleg tape, for audio there are a number of versions now...

that i am asking is there copys of Empire in a bootleg video from 1980 or audio and Jedia in bootleg video from 1983 or audio......

be intresting to hear or see this as they were in 70 mm audio if we can....


Also the 35 mm audio that was posted what version of the LD is it from ?


ESB and ROTJ did not change in terms of video. ANH was the only one that had a visual alteration in it between May 25th 1977 and Junary 30th 1997, and that is the addition of the new crawl in 1981. All three films did of course have many audio mix variations.

The 70mm audio has been posted in the form of a 1977 70mm screening bootleg in stereo sound. Its bootleg quality but quite a treat, and in relatively good condition.
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ESB had visual differences between the 35mm and 70mm print.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
ESB had visual differences between the 35mm and 70mm print.


I dont believe so. Are you referring to the last shot of the spaceships? Wasn't that already discussed as being in both versions?
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
I'm gonna compare EoD and new DVD myself. I have no idea if the EoD crawl is authentic, but I'm going to go with my gut reaction of "Thank the Maker" when I first saw it, and give it authentic status in my mind. It will be the grail, and if the new DVD pretty much matches it, thumbs up from me.

(boris' visual evidence posted above with the dark star crossing an "a" and a film scratch on a frame of an "e" was very convincing in its own right.)


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I really have no idea why there's a debate on this. It may or may not be the original crawl, but if you watch it and instantly recognize it as such, then why dig deep? Everyone will dig until they've found a problem, and then be upset with the film because there's a tiny problem that you won't realize unless you analyze it very, very closely. If it looks original when you're watching it, then it might as well be. If your gut instinct is "Thank the maker," then thank the maker and enjoy the film.
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen


Whether you buy that or not, it's on the film print in '77, and it's never been on any home release that I know of. This contributes to an unauthentic feeling in that part of the film ... not to mention that folks with 16:9 screens often can't see the subtitles at all.

In the age of 16:9 screens and larger screens becoming commonplace, I think the convention of removing subtitles from the film image and re-entering them in a different, usually much larger, font in the black-bar area should abandoned.
I think the original theatrical sub-titles would be hard to read, which is why they've never made it to home video.

Also, any DVD player with a zoom function should place the sub-titles above the black bars.


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Originally posted by: zombie84
Originally posted by: Darth Richard
ESB had visual differences between the 35mm and 70mm print.


I dont believe so. Are you referring to the last shot of the spaceships? Wasn't that already discussed as being in both versions?


I think it had a different shot of Luke in the tank, The emperor never faded in, and it had different cuts.
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Darth Mallwalker: is this 35mm audio 1985 LD soundtrack the same as the one on my 1989 widescreen LD edition which I uploaded a couple months back?

Cheers,

- John
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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut
Darth Mallwalker: is this 35mm audio 1985 LD soundtrack the same as the one on my 1989 widescreen LD edition which I uploaded a couple months back?
No, not the same.

Paradoxically, the '85 LD doesn't contain the '85 remix.
The '85 LD (Cat# 1130-84) contains the original '77 Dolby Stereo mix.
The '85 VHS was the first to use the new remix, also found on your '89 LD w/ shrinking ratio.

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Hahaha you gotsta laugh - can there ever have been a film with so many mixes and releases as Star Wars? Surely not.

I don't suppose you could fix me up with a lossless compressed version of this mix could you in return for my 1989 one I posted?

Many thanks,

- J
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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut
I don't suppose you could fix me up with a lossless compressed version of this mix could you in return for my 1989 one I posted?
Belbucus has hooked us up! In this thread, see my message from 2006-10-21 01:00 GMT



However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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