Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Re: the believability of the Arena sequence.
Fans can be so weird about stuff like this. I don't see any comparison between cutting an apple and opening hand cuffs. Seeing the Emperor open his own set of cuffs in Jedi does not establish that Jedis can't be cuffed. If anything, it establishes that Jedi can be cuffed, since Luke was not able to take them off himself. All of Star Wars is a pastiche of other ideas from Flash Gordon and Dune and Samurai movies and Harryhausen and a lot more. The rules are already looser than a goose when a bunch of powerless Ewoks defeat the Imperial Stormtroopers with logs and rocks and shit.
As for the trench scene, controlling things going a gazillion miles an hour is not the issue. Making a rocket or any fast moving object go off course is incredibly easy-- if you can but nudge it. That's how race car accidents and such happen. A force push in the trenches would easily wipe out any ship Vader came near-- but that's not how the movies play it.
Each fan has to make peace with the un-realities of Star Wars his own way. I can't see the issues you bring up as problems. Much more important to me was the way the arena escape felt improvised and then shot through with random action with the awful Threepio stuff being the only throughline that actually built in any concrete way. This, fortunately, is something that can be fixed.
Re: the believability of the Arena sequence.
Fans can be so weird about stuff like this. I don't see any comparison between cutting an apple and opening hand cuffs. Seeing the Emperor open his own set of cuffs in Jedi does not establish that Jedis can't be cuffed. If anything, it establishes that Jedi can be cuffed, since Luke was not able to take them off himself. All of Star Wars is a pastiche of other ideas from Flash Gordon and Dune and Samurai movies and Harryhausen and a lot more. The rules are already looser than a goose when a bunch of powerless Ewoks defeat the Imperial Stormtroopers with logs and rocks and shit.
As for the trench scene, controlling things going a gazillion miles an hour is not the issue. Making a rocket or any fast moving object go off course is incredibly easy-- if you can but nudge it. That's how race car accidents and such happen. A force push in the trenches would easily wipe out any ship Vader came near-- but that's not how the movies play it.
Each fan has to make peace with the un-realities of Star Wars his own way. I can't see the issues you bring up as problems. Much more important to me was the way the arena escape felt improvised and then shot through with random action with the awful Threepio stuff being the only throughline that actually built in any concrete way. This, fortunately, is something that can be fixed.
Ok, ok...
forgive me for thinking if Padme can pull a hairpin out and unlock herself then a jedi should have no problem at all. There are actually bigger 'jedi are idiots' problems with the pt I hope can be somehow fixed but judging by the way Trooperman describes it, I'm expecting to be so completely engrossed in the drama that it doesn't even register as a thought during my view of his edit.About vader and nudging the ships, perhaps but I've never really witnessed a race taking place in a 0g environment. So the physics are questionable if you catch my drift. You could say he nudged them with his ship's laser guns though.
