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But they aren't mutants, because every living thing has Midichlorians. It's just some have a higher concentration than others.

Before the Midichlorians, the Jedi were more of an anomoly separate from the rest of the beings in the galaxy, now they just have an easier time tapping into the force compared to other life forms.
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That makes it even clearer to me why midichlorians are superfluous.
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Originally posted by: Wesyeed

Star wars re-enforced the idea of having faith in your abilities, letting go of relying on techno doo hickies, and achieviing something just because you believe you can... Star wars was a very different galaxy far far away until 1999... Mutant jedi huh... heh sure, magneto and xavier and wolverine are jedi. Yoda didn't have enough midichlorians to defeat the emperor. Size Matters. Obi-wan had more midis, that's why he beat darth maul. "Master Yoda, you can't die." "Many midichlorians do I have, but not that many..." And my favorite, "Use the midichlorians, Luke."


Hmmm, perfect explanation and illustration for why the "midiclorians" idea was way too specific. I liked how they were linked to the creation of life and Anakin's conception, but beyond that they add so many new questions and problems to the understanding of the force that the average viewer simply scratches his or her head and doesn't like it anymore.

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The whole "creation of life" thing was stupid. Midiclorians are symbiotic, found in other lifeforms. Therefore they can never create life ex nihilo, they can only interact with existing life. And that's all they were ever reported to do in the movies. They allegedly "created" Anakin by making his mother pregnant, something no more miraculous than parthenogenesis. (Unfertilized bee eggs produce drones, which can only mate with a queen. Hey, I just discovered the genesis of the Anakin-Padme relationship!) Later, we hear midiclorians can "keep Padme from dying" of some unspecified ... death. Keeping someone from dying isn't creating life, it's extending life. When I got a shot of penicillin to cure my tertiary syphillis, it wasn't creating life, I was already alive.
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
The whole "creation of life" thing was stupid. Midiclorians are symbiotic, found in other lifeforms. Therefore they can never create life ex nihilo, they can only interact with existing life.


Well, the symbiotic part was stupid if you ask me. Also, the creation of life element was only interesting to the degree any generic-science-fiction concept can be. I thought it worked on that level at least. They didn't work in the other ways though.

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Wesyeed

Star wars re-enforced the idea of having faith in your abilities, letting go of relying on techno doo hickies, and achieviing something just because you believe you can... Star wars was a very different galaxy far far away until 1999... Mutant jedi huh... heh sure, magneto and xavier and wolverine are jedi. Yoda didn't have enough midichlorians to defeat the emperor. Size Matters. Obi-wan had more midis, that's why he beat darth maul. "Master Yoda, you can't die." "Many midichlorians do I have, but not that many..." And my favorite, "Use the midichlorians, Luke."


Hmmm, perfect explanation and illustration for why the "midiclorians" idea was way too specific. I liked how they were linked to the creation of life and Anakin's conception, but beyond that they add so many new questions and problems to the understanding of the force that the average viewer simply scratches his or her head and doesn't like it anymore.


There are a lot of things that made me scratch my head about the pt but I gave it a free pass in some vague hope that it'd be expounded on in the next film to make it more relevant than just some throwaway detail, but it never came. I think lucas came up with very interesting concepts as well, but his execution of them was very sloppy in the end indicating to me that there was no clear plan laid out for all three of the new films. Midichlorian power levels, palpatine's overly complicated plot, jar jar, anakin building threepio, Taz manian yoda, General cheezy, all this stuff amounted to something that struck me as artificial or cartoony and self indulgent rather than necessary and good for the story.

I think it's just because noone told him, "no"
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Midichlorians are loosely based on Mitochondria, which are a real organism that lives inside every cell of every being here on Earth.

When scientists first discovered them, some of them theorized that they could hold the secret to the origin of life itself. They speculated that it was these mitochondria that came along to co-exist with single celled organisms which allowed them to grow into multi-celled organisms.

A lot of religious groups felt that we shouldn't even be studying about mitochondria, because they could serve to "explain" God. Just as a lot of us accused the Midichlorian concept of "explaining" the Force.

The truth is they do no such thing. As a lot of you pointed out, they only add more questions to the ones we already had.

I really like the way Midichlorians brings this whole concept into the minds of children, who may become more curious about some of these studies, and may end up coming to a better understanding than the generation before them.

Adults are more likely to have developed firm beliefs about religion or science in general, whereas children are more likely to question established beliefs.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Midichlorians are loosely based on Mitochondria, which are a real organism that lives inside every cell of every being here on Earth.

When scientists first discovered them, some of them theorized that they could hold the secret to the origin of life itself. They speculated that it was these mitochondria that came along to co-exist with single celled organisms which allowed them to grow into multi-celled organisms.

A lot of religious groups felt that we shouldn't even be studying about mitochondria, because they could serve to "explain" God. Just as a lot of us accused the Midichlorian concept of "explaining" the Force.

The truth is they do no such thing. As a lot of you pointed out, they only add more questions to the ones we already had.


So...then...only microscopic bacteria can communicate with the force for Jedi? Sorry, but Wesyeed is right if you ask me.

Also, I don't know who these religious groups are that you speak of, but they sound lame. Mitochondria do not explain God in any way. Unfortunately, Lucas has made sure that Midichlorians explain too much about the force in terms of the Star Wars universe. People like Weyseed are not the ones removing the mystery of the force with this concept, George Lucas already confirmed the way in whch they remove much of the mystery for us. Are living beings "luminous," like Yoda said, or do they simply carry varrying amounts of hereditary bacteria?

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Didn't you already give the exact same mitochondria spiel in another thread, Go-Mer?

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No, he posted those ideas at least twice in this thread. The first was on the first page of this thread actually. This last one was the third time I believe.

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That's right. It was this thread. There are so many threads leading into the exact same discussion that it's hard to remember which one is which anymore.

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
So...then...only microscopic bacteria can communicate with the force for Jedi? Sorry, but Wesyeed is right if you ask me. No, Midichlorians are what allows life to exist in the first place. The Jedi communicate with the force through them in the same way they hear sounds with their ears.Also, I don't know who these religious groups are that you speak of, but they sound lame. Mitochondria do not explain God in any way. Unfortunately, Lucas has made sure that Midichlorians explain too much about the force in terms of the Star Wars universe. People like Weyseed are not the ones removing the mystery of the force with this concept, George Lucas already confirmed the way in whch they remove much of the mystery for us. Are living beings "luminous," like Yoda said, or do they simply carry varrying amounts of hereditary bacteria?
Why can't they be both? It's not like the Force wasn't hereditary in the classic trilogy. I figure with the Midichlorians, we have a solid basis to say it's about all life, not just the Skywalkers.

I didn't realize I repeated this in this thread, but people keep bringing up the same misconceptions about them.
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I'll add that I believe it's quite fun for children to imagine how magic fantasy powers work rather than give them a boring science lesson to explain it like they're some bad child actor. In other news. Woot I thought this was hilarious. The other films are done that way too.. maybe it's relevant, I don't know.

edit: And i remind myself how fickle star wars is nowadays since nothing in them is sacred to Lucas. So why continue posting at tfn and such arguing over them, I think. I could never see much reason in arguing all day over nothing but I do it anyway. It must be the liquor. Just Remember that all the star wars movies are still in production. We only saw a work print at the theaters.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
No, Midichlorians are what allows life to exist in the first place. The Jedi communicate with the force through them in the same way they hear sounds with their ears.

No, Qui-Gon specifically said that midichlorians speak to Jedi and "tell" them the will of the force. They aren't just organs or appendages. They're supposed to be intelligent.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

Are living beings "luminous," like Yoda said, or do they simply carry varrying amounts of hereditary bacteria?

Why can't they be both? It's not like the Force wasn't hereditary in the classic trilogy. I figure with the Midichlorians, we have a solid basis to say it's about all life, not just the Skywalkers.


In the original trilogy, strength with the force was only vaguely hereditary. Only in the prequels does the source of such powers become so physically limited. I believe it was better when the force was presented as permeating everything and existing everywhere, including the mind's of Jedi. Requiring arbitrary counts of bacteria to give the minds of living beings a connection to the force makes the Star Wars universe a lot smaller and less interesting at best. At worst, it makes the force into an annoyingly indistinct plot element that is difficult to accept on the surface.

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Wait a minute, Qui-Gon talks about how they speak to you, and tell you the will of the Force, but that's just the way he's looking at it.
It would be the same thing as if he said your ears speak to you, and tell you what sounds are happening around you.

There isn't one example in the saga of a midichlorian's sentience on it's own. In fact, the supposition Qui-Gon has that Anakin was created by the Midichlorians is questioned by the idea that Plaguis and or Palpatine may have in fact caused Anakin to be.

Also, the Force in the classic trilogy is everywhere, just as it is in the prequels. What's happening is the Jedi noticed a co-relation between powerful force users and higher midichlorian counts. They know not everyone who tries to become a Jedi succeeds, so they started hand picking candidates based on their Midi-Count. Obviously they also decided that attatchment was a bad thing, which is just another reason why they would want to pick their candidates so close to birth that their propensity to use the Force wouldn't be self evident.

I think I mentioned this before, but in the ANH novelization, Obi-Wan tells Luke about how the Republic tried to define the Force with science, but that they never quite could. That perhaps there is just as much magic as science in the Force.

To me the further layers only underscore how the Force had already been portrayed up until this point.

Also, I don't know how you could say they Force was only vaguely hereditary in the classic trilogy. If it wasn't -very- hereditary, then the Jedi couldn't have been all but wiped out. Force users would be popping up naturally out of the population like a sick game of whack a mole for the Emperor. And the only reason they gave for Luke and Leia being strong in the Force was due to their lineage.

The Force is still everywhere, it's just living beings have Midichlorians that allow them to commune with "the Force". Wether the Force itself has a will in the first place is a point of view. Obviously Qui-Gon sees the Force as having a will, and he feels that when he quiets his mind, the Force will show him what it wants him to do through the Midichlorians, but it's still his interpreation just as we might take a coincidental happenstance as "divine direction" of some kind here on Earth.

I hear some of you saying "nothing is sacred" to Lucas, but I don't see how he has changed anything about what has come before.

Not one little bit.

Midichlorians do not explain the fantastic abilities Jedi can call upon, it merely adds another layer to the mystery of the Force. I think it's much more well rounded to present both the mystical and the scientific side to the Star Wars universe. So many people seem to treat science and religion as 2 separate things that contradict each other, I personally see them as 2 separate approaches to the mysteries of life that co-exist without contradiction. Religion and Science both present theories that guess at the mysteries of life, the only difference is science is the attempt to figure out more about the secrets of life through tangible tests that can be verified, while religion attempts to understand the secrets of life through "what sounds best" or "belief" without proof.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
No, Midichlorians are what allows life to exist in the first place. The Jedi communicate with the force through them in the same way they hear sounds with their ears.

No, Qui-Gon specifically said that midichlorians speak to Jedi and "tell" them the will of the force. They aren't just organs or appendages. They're supposed to be intelligent.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

Are living beings "luminous," like Yoda said, or do they simply carry varrying amounts of hereditary bacteria?

Why can't they be both? It's not like the Force wasn't hereditary in the classic trilogy. I figure with the Midichlorians, we have a solid basis to say it's about all life, not just the Skywalkers.


In the original trilogy, strength with the force was only vaguely hereditary. Only in the prequels does the source of such powers become so physically limited. I believe it was better when the force was presented as permeating everything and existing everywhere, including the mind's of Jedi. Requiring arbitrary counts of bacteria to give the minds of living beings a connection to the force makes the Star Wars universe a lot smaller and less interesting at best. At worst, it makes the force into an annoyingly indistinct plot element that is difficult to accept on the surface.


Absolutely. The truth is, like many additions such as that general grovus robot guy and his useless guards and Ian's face contortions during battle, this seemed to me as an unnecessary convolution, like taking time to sit down and explain Yoda and Chewbacca were old friends. Why? Nobody cares. And it brings up more questions than it answers. I'd rather learn about force ghosts, but no the movie has to wrap things up quickly. So yoda says basically "I was just chilling one day in the meditation room and someone told me we can become immortal somehow. I'll teach you." End of story. Shinaninagans... I'm supposed to believe Midis were more imporatant to detail than that?

We don't need it. We don't need a scene dedicated to farts and we don't need a scene dedicated to saying Jedi are x-men. Mystical powers are GASP actually mystical?... OH really? Now kiddies are wondering why Leia tells luke she could never have powers like his, when all she needs to do is test her blood to find out. Thus is the consequence of Lucas' careless writing for the Pt. Nothing was sacred since he constantly changes all the movies, right...

It's like a class system where once there was only level of experience and skill. Jedi are to be classed as a mutants, than a mysteriously cool supernatural warriors. Yoda could train every day for 400 years but never achieve enough force power as someone with more 'size' than him? I can not accept this.

It's like... uh. Remember in Rots when count dooku expends his energy to flip over the rails instead of walk down the stairs. that's metaphorically what midichlorians are, an unnecessary flip where you could easily walk down the stairs called "I sense great force potential in him" And that's just how the new Lucas likes to do things for whatever reason. My guess is that no one told him that it'd be wise not to.

I'm reminded of full metal alchemist and how there exist parallel worlds, one where science dominated and one where mystical powers did. The mystical powers if I recall were only explained so far as saying certain people were able to control the elements to do cool stuff like re-shape them, turn anything into something else. It's an ambiguous sort of magic that I found even more fascinating because aspects of it could only be imagined, it's magic powers... Going back to a point about children someone made. I think it's important to allow them to use their imagination in these fantasy stories. I love fantasy for that. I don't know why a suit of armor can walk on its own, maybe it's magnetically controlled by invisible forces of earth's gravity. I don't know! That's what makes mit magic, and that's part of the fun of it to me. with the intro of midi count determining force potential, I wonder if Luke's count is half of vader's or on par with yoda's or do sith use a midi sensor . They're both children of a powerful jedi knight bla bla bla luke tells leia the force is strong in their family. He doesn't say his midichlorian count is high, just that the force is strong. So I assume the likely hood of someone having a force capable child is increased, not necessarily determined exactly by whether there was enough midichlorian juice in the sperm. but I always wondered after the midichlorian thing started if Anakin's sperm dna dominated Pad Me's egg dna so that luke and leia's midi count was still quite high despite padme just being a regular human.

It's more interesting to me to continue the discord rather than erase it and simply turn magic into science. In the original, certain people were the midichlorians, or force users. There was never a need to add smaller force users inside a force user. it would add nothing but confusion.

"I find your lack of midichlorians disturbing."
"The midichlorians are with you young one, but you are not a jedi, yet."
"Judge me by my size, do you? And you should not, for my allys are the midichlorians, and a powerful allys they are."
"Trust your midichlorians"
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Wait a minute, Qui-Gon talks about how they speak to you, and tell you the will of the Force, but that's just the way he's looking at it.
It would be the same thing as if he said your ears speak to you, and tell you what sounds are happening around you.

You don't know that. For all you know, Qui-Gon's way of looking at things is the official word of truth in the Star Wars universe.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

There isn't one example in the saga of a midichlorian's sentience on it's own. In fact, the supposition Qui-Gon has that Anakin was created by the Midichlorians is questioned by the idea that Plaguis and or Palpatine may have in fact caused Anakin to be.

If you want to argue that a Sith lord created Anakin, then that's going into really, really stupid territory if you ask me. If Sith lords have the ability to create human beings with immense sensitivity to the force, then the Star Wars universe officially becomes lame for all time.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

What's happening is the Jedi noticed a co-relation between powerful force users and higher midichlorian counts.


You don't know that. For all you know, they have very precise data linking force-strength with midiclorian counts and well-tested investigations of the beings. For all you know, science in the Star Wars universe has managed to communicate with intelligent midiclorians.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

Also, I don't know how you could say they Force was only vaguely hereditary in the classic trilogy. If it wasn't -very- hereditary, then the Jedi couldn't have been all but wiped out. Force users would be popping up naturally out of the population like a sick game of whack a mole for the Emperor.


First, when I said "vaguely" hereditary, I meant that the stories were vague in terms of how it was hereditary. We didn't know how it worked in a hereditary fashion or to what degree it was hereditary.

Second, you cannot say for sure that the "extinction" of Jedi was not mostly due to destruction of their order. Without proper training, how can there be Jedi? There are many possibilities to explain the use of that term.


Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic

The Force is still everywhere, it's just living beings have Midichlorians that allow them to commune with "the Force".


You have no idea. You aren't George Lucas. Only he knows how his ideas work in his own universe. To average people watching his movies though, midichlorians lower the aesthetic value of "the force" concept.

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Originally posted by: Wesyeed

It's like a class system where once there was only level of experience and skill. Jedi are to be classed as a mutants, than a mysteriously cool supernatural warriors. Yoda could train every day for 400 years but never achieve enough force power as someone with more 'size' than him? I can not accept this.


Exactly. Force-sensitive beings are now either freaks of nature or superior beings destined to rule lesser mortals like Nazi supermen. Where's the far reach of the force and its mysterious relationship to fate and destiny now? Its all based upon a few people who have too much bacteria in their body. Once they're wiped out the force becomes trivial.

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I may not know all that for sure, but it does fit with what the movies show, and that does support the idea that Lucas has been consistent about the Force all along.

It's really up to each and every one of us wether or not we choose to see it that way.

To me the very fact that the way I am looking at it remains consistent from ANH-ROTS is why I say that's more likely than the ways to look at it that render all of this stuff contradictions.

Again, the Midichlorian concept includes all life forms, the Jedi concept from the classic trilogy is more suggestive of genetic supermen because Force potential was explained as a hereditary phenomenon, not something available to all life forms.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Wesyeed

It's like a class system where once there was only level of experience and skill. Jedi are to be classed as a mutants, than a mysteriously cool supernatural warriors. Yoda could train every day for 400 years but never achieve enough force power as someone with more 'size' than him? I can not accept this.


Exactly. Force-sensitive beings are now either freaks of nature or superior beings destined to rule lesser mortals like Nazi supermen. Where's the far reach of the force and its mysterious relationship to fate and destiny now? Its all based upon a few people who have too much bacteria in their body. Once they're wiped out the force becomes trivial.


And I guess it gives new meaning to han's words.

"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

"You don't believe in the force, do you..."

"Kid, I've flown from one end of the galaxy to the other, I've seen a lot of strange stuff but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."

Maybe Obi-wan should tell him he's right in the next special edition.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I may not know all that for sure, but it does fit with what the movies show, and that does support the idea that Lucas has been consistent about the Force all along.


Maybe, but there are many other ways to explain what George Lucas intended. We can't know the canonical state of it all unless he tells us.

Otherwise, George Lucas is the kind of guy who plays around with different ideas all the time. Just look at all of the rewrites he made of the original Star Wars. Is Luke Starkiller consistent with what we have now? If George had midiclorians in his mind from the beginning, we can make an educated guess that he wasn't sure if he wanted to use the idea until he made Phantom.

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Well it's a fact Lucas didn't know what the hell he was doing for the PT and I think most likely had only general ideas for everything without a clear plan layed out. Explain midichlorians, but not what the force is? That is just stupid. Yeah, one of many stupid decisions actually. Is such carelessness the result of an over inflated ego, yeah probably. I wish I were so moronic enough to have absolutely no issue with Lucas' sloppy writing and directing. I really do. I thought the duel of the fates was cool as much as anyone did. However I'm stuck wishing it didn't cut away to a scene of jar jar's balls being crushed.

Maybe it'd have been better to start with the Clone wars instead of things being peaceful and sweet until two frogs decide to hold people hostage for trade taxes or whatever nonsense. The idea of using war as an means to gain more power is more interesting than using some frog guys and somehow getting a senate who's problem is indecisivness to easily decide to elect a new chancellor, yeah that'd have worked better.
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I really don't see why we need someone spell out that the Force is what gives a Jedi his power in TPM. It's pretty self evident just observing them using their powers and talking about the Force.

If that's not enough, they'll get the hammer over the head when they get to ANH.
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Can you get Lucas' penis out of your mouth for one whole minute and listen? there's absolutely no indication at all made in TPM of what the force is. For all any star wars noobs know when they watch TPM, the Jedi are mutants like the x-men.
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There is nothing in TPM to say they are mutant X-Men either.

And like I said if they can't figure out what's going on from watching the Jedi in action, then Obi-Wan flat out tells Luke in ANH. The explaination is still in there.

What should every movie in this saga repeat that little peice of spoken exposition?
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