Originally posted by: Wesyeed
I'm putting my foot down. The merits are that it had some cool fx. Oh don't even get me started on how well animated that fart scene was in TPM. Woo boy, that was amazig. You should see the version they used on the extended pre race scene on the 2nd DVD. There's even a wind up before the Eopie farts (yeah that's spelled correctly).
Anyway, yeah mate, just movies of course. But something inside me says to a fan they're not just movies, they're HISTORY in the making. And considering how rich and powerful lucas was/is, doing three great movies or at least two great ones, one mediocre or average one, would have been just viewed as me as what's to be expected from a man in his position. How the hell did he make star wars when he was this nobody director, then when he's really got the power and control he's wanted, he delivers below his established standards and even goes back and shits on his earlier work while he's at it. It boggles the balls. Whatever, george.
He didn't shit over anything. It all turned out rather well. Better than most movies these days.I'm putting my foot down. The merits are that it had some cool fx. Oh don't even get me started on how well animated that fart scene was in TPM. Woo boy, that was amazig. You should see the version they used on the extended pre race scene on the 2nd DVD. There's even a wind up before the Eopie farts (yeah that's spelled correctly).
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
but no they sucked sucked sucked. An entire main character was even so bad he had to be written out almost completely by the time it was over. That's how it is. No amount of focus will change that pure fact. If you are reffering to Jar-Jar, I thought he was awesome, and Lucas says he was always meant to fade to the background as the story got darker and centered in on the main characters.
There were people like you wondering what we all saw in the classic trilogy in the first place. Some people blamed Lucas for the "dumbing down" of cinema. This was over the classic trilogy mind you.Originally posted by: Wesyeed
I seriously stopped carring a long time ago about all the online star wars discussions at tfn and such. There comes a point when it ceases being about the films and one's perception of them, but more a shouting match or 'who can write the most words' contest. I don't absolve myself from that sort of thing from time to time but it's typical isn't it nowadays...
I hope you don't see my words as shouting. I try to remain reasonably calm as I discuss the movies.Originally posted by: Wesyeedbut no they sucked sucked sucked. An entire main character was even so bad he had to be written out almost completely by the time it was over. That's how it is. No amount of focus will change that pure fact. If you are reffering to Jar-Jar, I thought he was awesome, and Lucas says he was always meant to fade to the background as the story got darker and centered in on the main characters.
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
To fans, movies are everything, aren't they... my advice...Just watch the pt for the pretty explosions and lightsabers if that's all star wars is to you. At least that's just what I think it's good for besides the JW music. The story is shite.
I think it's one of the best stories ever told in cinema, and the whole saga taken as a whole is an unmatched accomplishment in film.
How horrible... just horrible to watch something you love be treated so recklessly and yet... unbelievably some who claim to love the OT praise it... eh so be it...
To fans, movies are everything, aren't they... my advice...Just watch the pt for the pretty explosions and lightsabers if that's all star wars is to you. At least that's just what I think it's good for besides the JW music. The story is shite.
I think it's one of the best stories ever told in cinema, and the whole saga taken as a whole is an unmatched accomplishment in film.Originally posted by: Wesyeed
And... I believe that it's horrible that so many just don't care about the standard the ot set back in the day. That was something phenominal as we know... Yet I see some gladly just sit by and watch lucas piss all over them with his half assed stories he had... what.. lets see... 16 fucking YEARS to figure out, (sorry for cursing but come on, it was nearly two decades he had to come up with something really great, and we got jar jar binks, Annie, Midichlorians, NOOOOOOOO, and goodbye chewbacca.) but STILL couldn't craft the films as a cohesive whole that it damn well should have been. That stuff is cool, and it all came together as a cohesive whole to me.
No, the reality is that Lucas half assed it, delivered poorly done films full of his cgi experiments, ruined continuity with the originals, just funked up and got away with it for the most part...
Wow that's so weird, because he also "half assed" the classic trilogy, delivered films that by his account were not finished, and not up to his standard of quality, that were full of motion control SFX experiments, ruined the continuity within the classic trilogy, (Vader murdered your father/That was just pillow talk, "I'm the monkey woman emperor/No I'm the Ian McDiarmid Emperor"), just fucked up and got away with it for the most part...Originally posted by: WesyeedAnd... I believe that it's horrible that so many just don't care about the standard the ot set back in the day. That was something phenominal as we know... Yet I see some gladly just sit by and watch lucas piss all over them with his half assed stories he had... what.. lets see... 16 fucking YEARS to figure out, (sorry for cursing but come on, it was nearly two decades he had to come up with something really great, and we got jar jar binks, Annie, Midichlorians, NOOOOOOOO, and goodbye chewbacca.) but STILL couldn't craft the films as a cohesive whole that it damn well should have been. That stuff is cool, and it all came together as a cohesive whole to me.
Originally posted by: Wesyeed
People discuss the Pt as if it should be looked upon as if someone without a billion dollars and decades of experience in the film industry was behind them; that all the ameteuristic mistakes and terrible writing and directing were just common faults of a novice director and should be overlooked because your focus determines your reality.
No I think the PT is befitting a director who put as much money into it as Lucas did. I only expected them to be on par with the classic trilogy (which wasn't perfect either). I think it's unrealistic to expect perfection.Originally posted by: WesyeedPeople discuss the Pt as if it should be looked upon as if someone without a billion dollars and decades of experience in the film industry was behind them; that all the ameteuristic mistakes and terrible writing and directing were just common faults of a novice director and should be overlooked because your focus determines your reality.
No, the reality is that Lucas half assed it, delivered poorly done films full of his cgi experiments, ruined continuity with the originals, just funked up and got away with it for the most part...
How horrible... just horrible to watch something you love be treated so recklessly and yet... unbelievably some who claim to love the OT praise it... eh so be it...
There were people like you wondering what we all saw in the classic trilogy in the first place. Some people blamed Lucas for the "dumbing down" of cinema. This was over the classic trilogy mind you.Originally posted by: Wesyeed
I seriously stopped carring a long time ago about all the online star wars discussions at tfn and such. There comes a point when it ceases being about the films and one's perception of them, but more a shouting match or 'who can write the most words' contest. I don't absolve myself from that sort of thing from time to time but it's typical isn't it nowadays...
Anyway, yeah mate, just movies of course. But something inside me says to a fan they're not just movies, they're HISTORY in the making. And considering how rich and powerful lucas was/is, doing three great movies or at least two great ones, one mediocre or average one, would have been just viewed as me as what's to be expected from a man in his position. How the hell did he make star wars when he was this nobody director, then when he's really got the power and control he's wanted, he delivers below his established standards and even goes back and shits on his earlier work while he's at it. It boggles the balls. Whatever, george.
But as with any movie, not everyone will appreciate them.