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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Now it's up to FIVE people who are actually arguing about the number of people who hate Jar Jar Binks.

People. Please. Go read a book.


Will do. This thread is very silly. Thank you for bringing me back to reality Reverand.
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Okay. This is officially the stupidest and most useless thread ever. It was all supposed to be in good fun, for chrissakes. I don't like JarJar but I thought the whole thing was pretty damn funny. I'm glad to see Lucas has a sense of humour about it all. So all y'all need to chill out, take a step back, and realise that isn't some war we're talking about here. Do you think Stephen should have been rude to him and told him he sucked ass or something? What would that accomplish? Seriously, grow up.

I stopped by to see if anyone else had seen the show and enjoyed it--instead I get the same petty bickering that makes outsiders think OUT-fans are a bunch of nutcases. This is why people don't take us seriously, folks.

Now Stephen's roast of President Bush in April, given the state of things these days, was what I call highly appropriate. But Star Wars isn't something as dire as all that. And this from an OUT fanatic, mind you.

I thought the green screen challenge winner was really good--and it was great how they put slavegirl!Leia's picture in when they had her on the phone.
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I watched the show yesterday (recorded from the night before on VHS) and I was pleasantly surprised that "George L" entered the Green Screen challenge. Of course, I knew that George was going to "lose", that was the whole point of him being on the show.

Some interesting things, however. When Jar Jar appeared, he made fun of Colbert's talking like a Gungan. George, when asked if he owned all the Star Wars movies he said most of them, but wasn't so sure about "Episode I". That was nice of George to throw a bone to us PT bashers

Stephen has bashed the PT quite a few times (in a humorous way, of course) on his show, so I was quite surprised to see George make an appearance, regardless.
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One thing I will give Lucas is that he is always a good sport on shows like this, and the lightsaber duel was pretty funny at the end. The fact that he says he doesn't know if he owns Episode I is a wink to everyone of us that he knows it isn't great, but he is just not the type of person to come right out and say it , and who probably feels love towards all of his movies in a certain way, but he knows which ones are better, and the bottom line is he would never say that about Episode IV, which he knows is his real baby.

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Talk about filling in blanks.

I think Lucas is being a good sport about the Episode I backlash, but I don't think he agrees with it. Nor do I think he feels Episode IV turned out better. According to him, ANH was the furthest from what he wanted these movies to be.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Talk about filling in blanks.

I think Lucas is being a good sport about the Episode I backlash, but I don't think he agrees with it. Nor do I think he feels Episode IV turned out better. According to him, ANH was the furthest from what he wanted these movies to be.


Gomer, I don't know if you watched the AFI Tribute to George Lucas last year? What stuck out to me really shows Georges love for Episode IV, and here is what happened:

The whole show went through all his movies, and then they did a good hour segment on the OT movies, and then at one point, they had Carrie Fisher, Mark Hammill, and Harrison Ford on the stage with C3PO & R2 all in the exact position they were when the Original SW ended with the medal ceremony as the camera pans away.

Right as they showed that image, they showed the crowd clapping and what stuck out to me was that George Lucas was the first to stand up and continue clapping and you could see the smile on his face and also you could see he was a bit emotional to see those characters up there again for the first time in 25 years. The whole crowd, including Spielberg then rose to give that image a standing ovation, it actually sent chills down my spine.

Say what you and I want about the PT & ESB & ROTJ, but that moment there shows me that Lucas will always have an affection for the Original SW, and even though he says it could have been better now when he was making it, that movie is his baby, and it is one of the most beloved movies of all-time, and that showed me that Lucas knows that, but he just doesn't want it to come off interviews that he favors one over the other.

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Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.


It is not an assumption, by Lucas saying that, it is wink that he thinks the same way many do about TPM and Jar Jar. It is like when Spielberg talks about 1941, he always make little inuendos about the film cause it was panned by everyone. The fact that Jar Jar goes from a major role in TPM to 5 minutes in AOTC to one shot in ROTS shows that he knew Jar Jar wasn't that popular, cause no major OT characters went from a huge role to practically nothing in the next movie, unless they died.
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Okay, but you are still assuming he doesn't mean what he actually says, and instead means what you asssume.

As I said above, according to Lucas in just about every other place he talks about Jar-Jar, he feels Jar-Jar was a huge success, and says the only reason he isn't in II and III as much as he was in I had to do with the tone getting darker, and the story centering in on the main characters. He speicifically says the "Jar-Jar Backlash" had nothing to do with it.

But if you think his "I am not too sure about Episode I" (a joke he did on a comedy show) is what he "really means" then more power to you.
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Even with the weird things he does.... even with the mediocre prequels... Lucas is still one Hell of a guy. I want him to release a restored OOT, but I definitely don't hate the man. The fact that he threw a bone to the Prequel haters and even made a point of poking fun at Jar Jar, USING Jar Jar.... that just shows there's "Still good left in him."

Great segment. I hate Stephen Colbert, but I loved this episode. Even after everything that's happened.... I think Lucas is a cool guy.

I can live with 80% of the SE additions. I even like the PT (overall). But not releasing the OOT in respectable condition? That's unacceptable.

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Okay, but you are still assuming he doesn't mean what he actually says, and instead means what you asssume.

As I said above, according to Lucas in just about every other place he talks about Jar-Jar, he feels Jar-Jar was a huge success, and says the only reason he isn't in II and III as much as he was in I had to do with the tone getting darker, and the story centering in on the main characters. He speicifically says the "Jar-Jar Backlash" had nothing to do with it.

But if you think his "I am not too sure about Episode I" (a joke he did on a comedy show) is what he "really means" then more power to you.


ESB had a much darker tone than ANH, and every character had the same role including the C3PO & R2.
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Lucas wasn't talking about the droid's role in the classic trilogy, he was talking about Jar-Jar's role in the prequels.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.


-The original Star Wars was the movie that brought him success, he poured his heart and soul into it, it was a huge struggle for a young film school graduate and he shined through.

-ESB and ROTJ weren't even directed by him.

-The prequels were made 20 years later with the technology attained with the billions of dollars he's accumulated over the years.

Seriously, if you were him, which one of those would be the most special to you?

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Of course he loves all the Star Wars films, I'm just saying that according to him the others turned out closer to what he wanted than ANH did.

Maybe you are right. All I am saying is you have to assume that everything he says is a lie and everything you read between what he does say is "how it really is".

It's all "Sure Lucas says A, but because of this and this and this, he must be lying and really means B."

It's just quite a bit of assumption on your part is all.
-The original Star Wars was the movie that brought him success, he poured his heart and soul into it, it was a huge struggle for a young film school graduate and he shined through.

-ESB and ROTJ weren't even directed by him.

-The prequels were made 20 years later with the technology attained with the billions of dollars he's accumulated over the years.

Seriously, if you were him, which one of those would be the most special to you?
All of them. The fact that he had help directing 2 of them doesn't mean the project wasn't special to him.

Again, I see the reasoning you use to assume he's always lying and really means what you guys assume he means, I was just pointing out that it's all based on speculation on your part, and goes against what he actually says about all of this stuff.
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What disapointed me the most with the Lucas Green screen entry was the fact that they had to get Colbert to add extra lines and dialogue for the segment. That's not the point of the challenge!!

One guy was original and used a "Noooooo!" scream from Colbert from an earlier episode, but didn't request that he do a whole new set of lines like Lucas did.

Lucas, again, never fails to disapoint me. I'm glad he lost.

(the duel at the end was cute though).
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He wasn't really being considered for the win in the first place. His entry was a joke.
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Yeah, but still. Lucas can't leave anything well enough alone. Even as a joke, he can't follow the rules and has to constently make "better" changes.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Yeah, but still. Lucas can't leave anything well enough alone. Even as a joke, he can't follow the rules and has to constently make "better" changes.


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He wasn't following the rules in the first place when he made THX, American Grafitti or Star Wars for that matter.

Is there any reason why he should start now?

Man maybe he shouldn't have even gotten in to films. Then we could still be enjoying crappy special effects with mono sound.
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I'm bummed I missed this segment. Pals are telling me my friend Bonnie Rose won the greenscreen challenge. Is that true?
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He wasn't following the rules in the first place when he made THX, American Grafitti or Star Wars for that matter.

Is there any reason why he should start now?

Man maybe he shouldn't have even gotten in to films. Then we could still be enjoying crappy special effects with mono sound.



There is nothing more funny then the constant talk of special effects by a PT gusher, cause Specfial Effects rates as #5 on my list of why I love the OT, but it surely seems to be #1 for the SE/PT lovers.

Here is what appeals to me in the OT movies:

1. The Characters (Han, Luke, & Leia are the three greatest good guys in all movies)
2. The drama (mostly from SW & ESB, very few moments in ROTJ have really good drama though)
3. Story (Even though it has a basic good vs evil message, there is still alot of stuff going on in the backround)
4. Mythology (ObiWan/Luke talk in SW, Yoda/Luke training in ESB, Luke/Leia talk in ROTJ)
5. Special Effects (That is why I still love the O-OT, it is just icing on the cake)

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Man maybe he shouldn't have even gotten in to films. Then we could still be enjoying crappy special effects with mono sound.
Yeah. 'Cos Luca$h invented special effects and stereo sound. And the telephone. Yeah.
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Lucas has certainly done more for the medium of film than just about anyone else has.

But don't bother to thank him, just keep demonizing him because his vision for his own movies is different than yours.





Bonnie was the winner.

Here is her entry.


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