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I'm just saying that there is still this dynamic there where you see Jabba starting the race, you see him hounding Han for money, Han talks his way out of it, but it isn't until ROTJ that we see Jabba in all his crimelord glory. To me it's not a total loss.
I agree that there is some of the same information in the ANH Jabba scene that was already found in the Greedo scene (likely they added much of this repeated information to the Greedo scene when he figured he was just abandoning the Jabba scene). But at the end of the day it just is what it is. I really like having Jabba in there, I like Han's dialogue with Jabba, but at the same time I wouldn't want to ditch the Greedo sequence because that is a really cool exchange as well. Sure I guess he could have gotten away with just having Jabba ask Han why he shot Greedo, but I really like the Greedo confrontation.
For me the coolness of both scenes outweighs the fact that some information is repeated.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I just don't see what's so cool about it. As far as I can see, it has no positive impact on the movie. It's redundant. It ruins the reveal of Jabba. It ruins the reveal of the Falcon! It has Boba Fett mugging the camera for no reason. The pace of the movie comes to an abrupt screeching halt. It's even evident in the music, which just stops, reuses a cue from ROTJ, and then continues from where it left off. It's just jarring. And that's not even getting into how bad both the '97 and '04 versions of Jabba look. And before you accuse me of hating CG in favor of the puppet, I actually liked the way he looked in TPM. They claim that the '04 Jabba is based off of that one, but I don't see the resemblence. Distant cousins, maybe...
I just don't see what's so cool about it. As far as I can see, it has no positive impact on the movie. It's redundant. It ruins the reveal of Jabba. It ruins the reveal of the Falcon! It has Boba Fett mugging the camera for no reason. The pace of the movie comes to an abrupt screeching halt. It's even evident in the music, which just stops, reuses a cue from ROTJ, and then continues from where it left off. It's just jarring. And that's not even getting into how bad both the '97 and '04 versions of Jabba look. And before you accuse me of hating CG in favor of the puppet, I actually liked the way he looked in TPM. They claim that the '04 Jabba is based off of that one, but I don't see the resemblence. Distant cousins, maybe...
I completely agree with every last point mentioned there.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I see what you guys mean and that awesome reveal in Jedi is no longer what it used to be.
I'm just saying that there is still this dynamic there where you see Jabba starting the race, you see him hounding Han for money, Han talks his way out of it, but it isn't until ROTJ that we see Jabba in all his crimelord glory. To me it's not a total loss.
I agree that there is some of the same information in the ANH Jabba scene that was already found in the Greedo scene (likely they added much of this repeated information to the Greedo scene when he figured he was just abandoning the Jabba scene). But at the end of the day it just is what it is. I really like having Jabba in there, I like Han's dialogue with Jabba, but at the same time I wouldn't want to ditch the Greedo sequence because that is a really cool exchange as well. Sure I guess he could have gotten away with just having Jabba ask Han why he shot Greedo, but I really like the Greedo confrontation.
For me the coolness of both scenes outweighs the fact that some information is repeated.
I see what you guys mean and that awesome reveal in Jedi is no longer what it used to be.
I'm just saying that there is still this dynamic there where you see Jabba starting the race, you see him hounding Han for money, Han talks his way out of it, but it isn't until ROTJ that we see Jabba in all his crimelord glory. To me it's not a total loss.
I agree that there is some of the same information in the ANH Jabba scene that was already found in the Greedo scene (likely they added much of this repeated information to the Greedo scene when he figured he was just abandoning the Jabba scene). But at the end of the day it just is what it is. I really like having Jabba in there, I like Han's dialogue with Jabba, but at the same time I wouldn't want to ditch the Greedo sequence because that is a really cool exchange as well. Sure I guess he could have gotten away with just having Jabba ask Han why he shot Greedo, but I really like the Greedo confrontation.
For me the coolness of both scenes outweighs the fact that some information is repeated.
What you are saying is very true. When I saw the SE version of New Hope in the theatres, I was thinking (for the first 25 or so minutes, anyway) that this was the greatest theatre experience ever. Then I saw Jabba, and I thought to myself, "Why are they repeating information that I just heard a couple minutes ago?" It reminds me of the "Aliens" special edition, where we saw Hadley's Hope before the alien attack. You lose a lot of impact in the following scenes, as well as having unneeded exposition.
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I dont dislike the Jabba scene myself, though if I had the choice I wouldnt have included it as I though the pacing of SW/ANH was perfect as it was, and it does seem to go over the same thing again and Boba seemingly mugging the camera is the part I dislike most of the scene, I agree though it maybe would have been better to wait until ROTJ for Jabba to be revealed, its maybe a good deleted scene that should have stayed with the other deleted scenes..
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Stay out of the movie-making business, Go-Mer. The reason that's Screenwriting 101 is because it's the most basic rule of pacing and filmmaking. Do not bore the audience with the same information in two nearby scenes (and preferably not at all). No matter how much you like both scenes, if you were stupid enough to write them both and dumb enough to shoot them both, your last chance to be smart is to leave one of them on the cutting room floor.
Ahem, Star Wars '77 demonstrates normal filmmaking competence in this. George '97 proved himself a lametard old fart.
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"Failure" is a point of view. I don't think repeating information instantly makes a movie "failed", and the scenes are not identical. There is some information that is redundant. But at the same time it helps set up what happens to Han in ROTJ more. To me it's better to see Han talk his way out of Jabba's anger before so it ties in better with the way Jabba says he can't talk his way out of it again and I like that.
I also love the line about Jabba being a wonderful human being. Classic delivery from one of my favorite characters ever.
As far as Boba mugging for the camera, I don't really mind that a whole lot. With Boba being brought up in the prequels, I think it's nice to see him in ANH even if it is just for a second. I didn't really see him as mugging for the camera as much as he is always scanning his surroundings.
I also don't think you could say SW '77 was an example of "normal" film making at the time. Back then people thought he was cutting to different shots too fast, back then you didn't have a movie that introduced the main character almost a 4th of the way through.
Ever since then everyone has been emulating his lead, so it has -become- normal film making, but back then Lucas was blazing trails with the presentation.
The first thing you supposedly learn in film school is there are no rules. So pretending like you fail at film making unless you stick to what people have traditionally done before you (to me) shows a lack of creativity.
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