Originally posted by: Number20
Coov is right, Zombie. You are saying you aren't insulting Christians, but then you turn around and do so. You continue to say that all Christians are rural, uneducated and stupid, and the urban, intelligent, educated people are all athests because they are smart and 'know better'.
Did you even read my previous posts? I made it explicitly clear that many theists are brilliant, and that this is not a total rule, nor was i saying "all theists are idiots." In fact, none of those statements were my personal opinion, which i made very clear. I was pointing out that STATISTICALLY, theists are less educated than atheists.
I believe that the earth is approximately 6-7-maybe 8 thousand years old.
Coov is right, Zombie. You are saying you aren't insulting Christians, but then you turn around and do so. You continue to say that all Christians are rural, uneducated and stupid, and the urban, intelligent, educated people are all athests because they are smart and 'know better'.
Did you even read my previous posts? I made it explicitly clear that many theists are brilliant, and that this is not a total rule, nor was i saying "all theists are idiots." In fact, none of those statements were my personal opinion, which i made very clear. I was pointing out that STATISTICALLY, theists are less educated than atheists.
This seems to be one of your major arguments against Christianity and God.
No its not, the only reason it got brought up was in response to something someone said.
Yeah, but he'll burn you in hell for all eternity if you don't worship him. The God of Christianity/Judaism is the most psychotic sociopath ever committed to paper, and i say that without exaggeration. People who often claim he is "loving" don't pay much attention to the Old Testament, or even large sections of the New Testament, where he kills people for the most immature reasons (such as sending bears to maul children to death for making fun of a priests bald spot) and commands his soldiers to kill women and children. Sure, there is a lot of "love thy neighbour" stuff in the Gospel story, and similar niceities here and there, but they are surrounded by bloodletting and human destruction on a scale that is truely disturbing.
This also brings up another point in the supposed "monotheism" of Judeo-Christianity, which clearly does not exist when one talks about Christ as "a God" (oh, but wait, it's a technicality because he is both his son and god himself, which doesn't make a lot of sense--this however doesn't explain the deification of Mary, Jehovah, Yahweh, the Elohim and all the other gods of the Israel tribes).
I for one whole heartedly believe in their existence, but I believe they roamed the planet at the same time as man.
No its not, the only reason it got brought up was in response to something someone said.
Once again, as for evolution and the big bang, I still say there is just as much faith to believe that as there is for one to beleive in creation. I didn't say that science just made it up, but if you completely understanding of the orgins of the universe and have complete and irrefutable proof for evolution, then you have made the greatest discovery of all time.
Better call the Nobel committee because this Darwin guy i think did something like that a few years ago.
This is not faith. Its simply the limit of human knowledge. We don't "have faith"--faith means believing in something in spite of evidence. Its quite the opposite. We say "given what we know, this is the best conclusion we can make, and it appears to be true." That conclusion can be refined and updated as new knowledge is gathered.
Christ is a loving God! There is nothing to be afraid of in Him. He gave you every breath. He died for you because He loves you and He wants you to become a part of His family.
Better call the Nobel committee because this Darwin guy i think did something like that a few years ago.
There is no 'proof'. only clues and hints.
Thats what indicates the conclusion. Conclusion based on objective, observable evidence. Just like gravity. How do you "prove" gravity any more than you can "prove" evolution? You make observations and draw a conclusion that is consistent with those. Even garvity, in your book, would be "just hints and clues."
This is where faith comes in. You have faith that what someone else said about evolution is true. And you have faith that what science currently believes is true, even though in the end, it is just conjecture based on evidence that could be interpreted many different ways.
Thats what indicates the conclusion. Conclusion based on objective, observable evidence. Just like gravity. How do you "prove" gravity any more than you can "prove" evolution? You make observations and draw a conclusion that is consistent with those. Even garvity, in your book, would be "just hints and clues."
This is where faith comes in. You have faith that what someone else said about evolution is true. And you have faith that what science currently believes is true, even though in the end, it is just conjecture based on evidence that could be interpreted many different ways.
This is not faith. Its simply the limit of human knowledge. We don't "have faith"--faith means believing in something in spite of evidence. Its quite the opposite. We say "given what we know, this is the best conclusion we can make, and it appears to be true." That conclusion can be refined and updated as new knowledge is gathered.
Christ is a loving God! There is nothing to be afraid of in Him. He gave you every breath. He died for you because He loves you and He wants you to become a part of His family.
Yeah, but he'll burn you in hell for all eternity if you don't worship him. The God of Christianity/Judaism is the most psychotic sociopath ever committed to paper, and i say that without exaggeration. People who often claim he is "loving" don't pay much attention to the Old Testament, or even large sections of the New Testament, where he kills people for the most immature reasons (such as sending bears to maul children to death for making fun of a priests bald spot) and commands his soldiers to kill women and children. Sure, there is a lot of "love thy neighbour" stuff in the Gospel story, and similar niceities here and there, but they are surrounded by bloodletting and human destruction on a scale that is truely disturbing.
This also brings up another point in the supposed "monotheism" of Judeo-Christianity, which clearly does not exist when one talks about Christ as "a God" (oh, but wait, it's a technicality because he is both his son and god himself, which doesn't make a lot of sense--this however doesn't explain the deification of Mary, Jehovah, Yahweh, the Elohim and all the other gods of the Israel tribes).
I for one whole heartedly believe in their existence, but I believe they roamed the planet at the same time as man.
I believe that the earth is approximately 6-7-maybe 8 thousand years old.
Okay, now this is just fucking stupid. Do you really believe this? Are you so deluded, so ignorant to objective evidence that you could possible have such an incredibly dumb opinion such as this? If this is the level of intellect that this discussion has devolved to, then theres not much hope. It really saddens me to see human beings living in the year 2006 and still believing such incredible bullshit such as this, especially when they are probably intelligent in most other respects. Whatever. Like I said, religious people are less educated than atheists but they are also happier--i hope you find a lifetime of bliss in your ignorance.