Originally posted by: tweaker
Considering the availability of "deleted scenes" on DVDs these days, it should've been more obvious to you that it is extremely common to shoot more film than you need, so you have a lot to play around with in the editing room. Shooting a scene does not in and of itself does not mean that it should be part of the movie. So that's a bad argument to make there. Untrue. Monty Python and the Holy Grail has no delted scenes - every scene they shout for the movie they used in the movie (of course there'd be out-takes, though). It if was in the script, then it was intended to be in the movie, and some limitation forced them to remove it. It may have been special effects limitations, it may have been that the scene ruined the flow or pace of the movie... the movie may have been too long, or it may have been that the film had a big glaring scratch in it that couldn't be removed! Scripts, from what I hear, are about 120 pages long. That's less then 1/3rd the number of pages in a novel - and from what I've seen of scripts they contain much less words on each page than a novel does - and many of those words are wasted on describing lighting and costumes and such. I don't agree that they start out deliberately with this flexibility to remove stuff - that's just stupid. It happens later on because for whatever reason they can't use the scene in their movie.
They were a necessary by-product of the special effects. Just like the black R2 unit used in blue-screen shots, next you're going to say he should be digitally colourized?Considering the availability of "deleted scenes" on DVDs these days, it should've been more obvious to you that it is extremely common to shoot more film than you need, so you have a lot to play around with in the editing room. Shooting a scene does not in and of itself does not mean that it should be part of the movie. So that's a bad argument to make there. Untrue. Monty Python and the Holy Grail has no delted scenes - every scene they shout for the movie they used in the movie (of course there'd be out-takes, though). It if was in the script, then it was intended to be in the movie, and some limitation forced them to remove it. It may have been special effects limitations, it may have been that the scene ruined the flow or pace of the movie... the movie may have been too long, or it may have been that the film had a big glaring scratch in it that couldn't be removed! Scripts, from what I hear, are about 120 pages long. That's less then 1/3rd the number of pages in a novel - and from what I've seen of scripts they contain much less words on each page than a novel does - and many of those words are wasted on describing lighting and costumes and such. I don't agree that they start out deliberately with this flexibility to remove stuff - that's just stupid. It happens later on because for whatever reason they can't use the scene in their movie.
I think preserving the matte issue is kinda ridiculous. We're not talking about something that is a result of special effects limitations of the day. You don't see similar issues popping up throughout the film (not that I'm aware of). Somebody screwed up , and the crappy mattes made it into the finished film. As sort of a side thing, I can understand the preserving of the mattes in order to keep that "opening night" feel, but as far as the finished film, no.
"Somebody screwed up"? No, that's just an unwanted by-product of the special effects of that day. It's like filming a TV... it may flicker... or filing a helicopter - depending on the camera used the helicopter blades may look fluid - or they may look uncharacteristically stilted. Cleaning out matte lines/boxes is just like colourizing a film. Besides which, if you've seen the OUT DVD you'd know they're barely visible at all, except over other spaceships (and how do you expect the X0 team to fix those ones? but levelling out the blacks... that won't do there!)The mattes, on the other hand, are the result of somebody in the SFX department being asleep at the wheel. BTW, Welcome to the forums blitter!