Say what you want about his movies, but most of them have done extremely well, which would indicate that not everyone thought they were complete crap.
Which does not mean that they are good movies. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are bad ones either, but the fact that something makes money does not automatically indicate quality.
I'd trade any number of hours of new Lucasfilm stuff for one high-quality release of the OOT.
And let us not forget the millions of people who worked on the film other than him. Oh, and Gary Kurtz, the producer, who is against the changes. And Richard Marquand, who has passed on and is no longer around to ask.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The people who worked on that film were employed by Lucas to realize his vision for these films. They produced a ton of stuff that never even made it to the original theatrical version, should they feel slighted by that too?
What about the actress who played Beru in ANH? Her voice wasn't dubbed over in the initial theatrical run, and was later.
What about the people who put together the "man in suit" version of the rancor they never used in the end?
What about Luke's friends on Tatooine that now aren't in the movie at all?
Is it -ever- okay for Lucas to make an executive creative decision? Or does he lose that right only when you have seen his movie?
And Lucas didn't get rid of it, he merely made it better (to him).
Which does not mean that they are good movies. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are bad ones either, but the fact that something makes money does not automatically indicate quality.
I'd trade any number of hours of new Lucasfilm stuff for one high-quality release of the OOT.
His home video releases have -always- set the industry standard for quality.
Not anymore.
If he wants. I really don't care. I want the highest quality OOT DVD release possible. Goodbye. The end. After that, I don't care. He can do whatever he wants. More power to him. May he live a long, happy, healthy life.
Exactly Gomer. This was a movie that changed cinema. It had an enormous effect on the industry and on a lot of people. Now GL wants to get rid of it because in his mind, it was never really completed. Tell that to everyone that worked on it and to the people whose lives were completely changed by it.
Not anymore.
The only reason he released a non anamorphic bonus feature was because -we- asked him to.
No. We asked for a DVD release. Not a bonus material release. And there are standards one expects from DVDs.
He doesn't care about the opinions of anyone anymore. That's the problem.
What should he buy you flowers and take you out to dinner too?
No. We asked for a DVD release. Not a bonus material release. And there are standards one expects from DVDs.
So all of us here can take the credit for soiling his good name. He fought us for a long time on the idea, but then finally relented. At our request.
He relented because he wanted more money, not because of the fans.
No, he put them out to make money. How many people would have bought the 06 release without the OOT? Not many.
In the end he did this mainly for people who have soundly rejected anything he's done since ROTJ (some since ESB or even ANH for that matter). I'm sure he doesn't care a whole lot about a group of people who don't seem to give a rat's ass about his opinion of how these movies should be.
He relented because he wanted more money, not because of the fans.
Yeah well I never heard anyone ask for Anamorphic until we found out it wouldn't be. It certainly wasn't part of the main message contained in this pettition.
Well it should have been automatically. That's DVD industry standard. People wanted a DVD release. There are standards for DVD releases.
Exactly. If Lucas really didn't want to release this, he wouldn't have. The end. He did it to make money, not please anyone, least of all the fans.
The original versions are discarded rough drafts to him at this point, and the only reason he put this out was because everyone seemed to want it so much.
Well it should have been automatically. That's DVD industry standard. People wanted a DVD release. There are standards for DVD releases.
I think most people would agree that it's better to get it non anamorphic than to not get it at all.
If I haven't eaten for days, I'll eat moldy spam. That doesn't make it good food.
People will buy anyhting with the SW logo, and with T.V. he can put the SW logo on more things.
Luca$hFilm wouldn't release anything they didn't want to. Neither would they release anything they weren't damn sure would make money. Luca$hFilm released the OOT on DVD because they knew it would sell well and they will release it many more times for that same reason.
If I haven't eaten for days, I'll eat moldy spam. That doesn't make it good food.
And while many of you didn't want a laserdisc transfer, I remember huge threads over at TFN where people were saying that if Lucas doesn't have any quality prints laying around anymore then the least he could do was give us one of the laserdisc transfers.
This isn't TFN.
So, what, we should just shut up? No. Yes, it's better than nothing, but its not all that good either. The X0 project will probably look better and that being made by fans who evidently love the films far more than Lucas does.
"Since no one would pay to see anything I make that doesn't have the Star Wars label on it, and I'm not making anymore of those, I'm going to get into TV, where I can make shows with a far smaller budget, but are still just as crappy."
This isn't TFN.
I know that it's the industry standard, but at the same time, he isn't willing to spend the kind of money it would take to restore one of his weathered prints, so he instead took the best home video master he had on hand to re-create the original movies. He didn't want to re-release the O-OT AT ALL.
I see. So the millions of artisans and craftsmen who worked on the films, including two other directors, as well as the millions of fans who have made the entire franchise possible because these versions don't mean squat? Terry Gilliam despises the "Love Conquers All Version" of Brazil and James Cameron prefers the extended version of The Abyss, and they both allowed them to be released. Lucas doesn't want to release the OOT becasue he knows that people prefer it.
Not if its restored like it should be.
Again, I think most of the people who really wanted the O-OT on DVD will agree that this is better than not getting it at all.
I see. So the millions of artisans and craftsmen who worked on the films, including two other directors, as well as the millions of fans who have made the entire franchise possible because these versions don't mean squat? Terry Gilliam despises the "Love Conquers All Version" of Brazil and James Cameron prefers the extended version of The Abyss, and they both allowed them to be released. Lucas doesn't want to release the OOT becasue he knows that people prefer it.
Also, when I was talking about "crappy presentation" I wasn't tring to even get into the quality of any given movie in it's own right, merely the crappy presnetation a film based presentation provides. Unless you see it the first time it was unspooled (and usually only theater employees see the first unspooling) it will have dirt, scratches, and image instability.
Not if its restored like it should be.
Again, I think most of the people who really wanted the O-OT on DVD will agree that this is better than not getting it at all.
So, what, we should just shut up? No. Yes, it's better than nothing, but its not all that good either. The X0 project will probably look better and that being made by fans who evidently love the films far more than Lucas does.
"Since no one would pay to see anything I make that doesn't have the Star Wars label on it, and I'm not making anymore of those, I'm going to get into TV, where I can make shows with a far smaller budget, but are still just as crappy."
People will buy anyhting with the SW logo, and with T.V. he can put the SW logo on more things.
Luca$hFilm wouldn't release anything they didn't want to. Neither would they release anything they weren't damn sure would make money. Luca$hFilm released the OOT on DVD because they knew it would sell well and they will release it many more times for that same reason.
Exactly. If Lucas really didn't want to release this, he wouldn't have. The end. He did it to make money, not please anyone, least of all the fans.
The original versions are discarded rough drafts to him at this point, and the only reason he put this out was because everyone seemed to want it so much.
No, he put them out to make money. How many people would have bought the 06 release without the OOT? Not many.
In the end he did this mainly for people who have soundly rejected anything he's done since ROTJ (some since ESB or even ANH for that matter). I'm sure he doesn't care a whole lot about a group of people who don't seem to give a rat's ass about his opinion of how these movies should be.
He doesn't care about the opinions of anyone anymore. That's the problem.
What should he buy you flowers and take you out to dinner too?
If he wants. I really don't care. I want the highest quality OOT DVD release possible. Goodbye. The end. After that, I don't care. He can do whatever he wants. More power to him. May he live a long, happy, healthy life.
Exactly Gomer. This was a movie that changed cinema. It had an enormous effect on the industry and on a lot of people. Now GL wants to get rid of it because in his mind, it was never really completed. Tell that to everyone that worked on it and to the people whose lives were completely changed by it.
And let us not forget the millions of people who worked on the film other than him. Oh, and Gary Kurtz, the producer, who is against the changes. And Richard Marquand, who has passed on and is no longer around to ask.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The people who worked on that film were employed by Lucas to realize his vision for these films. They produced a ton of stuff that never even made it to the original theatrical version, should they feel slighted by that too?
What about the actress who played Beru in ANH? Her voice wasn't dubbed over in the initial theatrical run, and was later.
What about the people who put together the "man in suit" version of the rancor they never used in the end?
What about Luke's friends on Tatooine that now aren't in the movie at all?
Is it -ever- okay for Lucas to make an executive creative decision? Or does he lose that right only when you have seen his movie?
And Lucas didn't get rid of it, he merely made it better (to him).
They knew that their work would not be included in the first place. The OOT was a complete work. All of the work that they did in the service of Lucas's so-called "vision" was to create the films which were ultimately made. 20 years later, suddenly their work doesn't exist to serve Lucas's ego? He made it better. Great. That doesn't mean that he should deny the existance of the OOT. He doesn't lose the right after I've seen the movie. He "loses the right," so to speak, after the films have been released. Director's Cuts are fine. What is the problem is Lucas's continual insistance that the OOT doesn't exist anmore. If the OOT was not a complete product, why did so many people spend money on it over the years?
It's not about art or anything else at this point. It's about get a proper OOT DVD release.