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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
If you live in the US, and are a fan of John Carpenter's Halloween... you are lucky!
If you live in the US, and are a fan of John Carpenter's Halloween... you are lucky!
Am I the only one who thinks that that film is mind-bogglingly overrated trash without any redeeming value at all whatsoever?
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Originally posted by: Mavimao
I wouldn't go so far as to call it unredeeming, but I do find it's overrated.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it unredeeming, but I do find it's overrated.
Its a slasher movie. Period. What differentiates from the endless series of clones that followed it? Carpenter? I like some of his work, but Hitchcock he ain't. Teenagers have sex. They die. The end. Then there are the endless gaping plot holes. Laurie puts her keys in her pocket and then they're not there, how in all the hells does Michael Myers know how to drive after he's been incarcerated for decades, why does he come to Haddonfield, and why in the name of all that is holy does he not die when six rounds are emptied into his chest? The mask serves what purpose? He's not disfigured. Why exactly am I supposed to care about these characters? I just want Michael to slash them before they can say "totally" again. I don't remember my adolescene that way. Oh, and there are the fun low budget mistakes, like the leaves that seem to fall in front of only one house during autum. Anyone who is in the center of the widescreen frame, with one exception, is perfectly safe. What kind of baby-sitter leaves the kids to go across the street? And why, for the love of Roddy McDowell, does Michael walk from house to house? What, evil can't run? A Nighmare on Elm Street is back for a limited time too over on this side of the pond.
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Originally posted by: Zion
Lol, I don't think any slasher movie is supposed to be analyzed in that great a detail. You could come up with just as many questions with any Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser film if you really wanted to. Scary movies like those are almost cheesy on purpose.
Lol, I don't think any slasher movie is supposed to be analyzed in that great a detail. You could come up with just as many questions with any Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser film if you really wanted to. Scary movies like those are almost cheesy on purpose.
I agree. The point that I am making is that Halloween is held in such high esteem compared to its slasher brethern, and I'm wondering why.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
I agree. The point that I am making is that Halloween is held in such high esteem compared to its slasher brethern, and I'm wondering why.
Originally posted by: Zion
Lol, I don't think any slasher movie is supposed to be analyzed in that great a detail. You could come up with just as many questions with any Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser film if you really wanted to. Scary movies like those are almost cheesy on purpose.
Lol, I don't think any slasher movie is supposed to be analyzed in that great a detail. You could come up with just as many questions with any Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser film if you really wanted to. Scary movies like those are almost cheesy on purpose.
I agree. The point that I am making is that Halloween is held in such high esteem compared to its slasher brethern, and I'm wondering why.
Because it set down the guidelines and the template for all "slasher" films to follow. With the exception of Psycho, it's the original. Show some respect.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Then there are the endless gaping plot holes. Laurie puts her keys in her pocket and then they're not there, how in all the hells does Michael Myers know how to drive after he's been incarcerated for decades, why does he come to Haddonfield, and why in the name of all that is holy does he not die when six rounds are emptied into his chest? The mask serves what purpose? He's not disfigured. Why exactly am I supposed to care about these characters? I just want Michael to slash them before they can say "totally" again. I don't remember my adolescene that way. Oh, and there are the fun low budget mistakes, like the leaves that seem to fall in front of only one house during autum. Anyone who is in the center of the widescreen frame, with one exception, is perfectly safe. What kind of baby-sitter leaves the kids to go across the street? And why, for the love of Roddy McDowell, does Michael walk from house to house? What, evil can't run? A Nighmare on Elm Street is back for a limited time too over on this side of the pond.
Then there are the endless gaping plot holes. Laurie puts her keys in her pocket and then they're not there, how in all the hells does Michael Myers know how to drive after he's been incarcerated for decades, why does he come to Haddonfield, and why in the name of all that is holy does he not die when six rounds are emptied into his chest? The mask serves what purpose? He's not disfigured. Why exactly am I supposed to care about these characters? I just want Michael to slash them before they can say "totally" again. I don't remember my adolescene that way. Oh, and there are the fun low budget mistakes, like the leaves that seem to fall in front of only one house during autum. Anyone who is in the center of the widescreen frame, with one exception, is perfectly safe. What kind of baby-sitter leaves the kids to go across the street? And why, for the love of Roddy McDowell, does Michael walk from house to house? What, evil can't run? A Nighmare on Elm Street is back for a limited time too over on this side of the pond.
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Halloween was one of the first of the "slasher" films that were made but it was the one that layed the groundwork for films like Friday the 13th to Scream etc etc, and it is still among the best if not the best slasher/Horror films ever made after all these years and is probably John Carpenters best directorial effort, it was made for about $300,000 and became the highest grossing independant film made at that time.
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...and is probably John Carpenters best directorial effort...
...and is probably John Carpenters best directorial effort...
I'm going to have to stop you there! Assault On Precinct 13 and The Thing compete for being his best directed films, I would say. As for me, I prefer The Fog to Halloween. But the influence of Halloween cannot be overlooked. It's style, pacing, scoring and atmosphere are excellent examples of the genre.
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
I'm going to have to stop you there! Assault On Precinct 13 and The Thing compete for being his best directed films, I would say. As for me, I prefer The Fog to Halloween. But the influence of Halloween cannot be overlooked. It's style, pacing, scoring and atmosphere are excellent examples of the genre.
Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
...and is probably John Carpenters best directorial effort...
...and is probably John Carpenters best directorial effort...
I'm going to have to stop you there! Assault On Precinct 13 and The Thing compete for being his best directed films, I would say. As for me, I prefer The Fog to Halloween. But the influence of Halloween cannot be overlooked. It's style, pacing, scoring and atmosphere are excellent examples of the genre.
The Thing, Assualt on Precinct 13 and The Fog are among some of my favourite films, I like pretty much like all of his stuff until after Prince Of Darkness and am not some so keen on his newer stuff, I think the directing was great in all three of them and in some of his other films, I just think his work on Halloween was something special, especially when he was directing The Shape.
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That is carpenter's best flick (just look at my signature for proof!)
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I liked They Live, I thought it was really good and it had some great one liners and I love it when Roddy Piper and the black guy have that big fight in the alley which seemed to last forever, the only Carpenter stuff I didnt like is the stuff after it Memoirs Of An Invisible Man, In The Mouth of Madness, Escape From LA and Ghosts Of Mars, but his late 70s to late 80s stuff I really do like and do watch over and over again..
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Psycho is an intelligent picture which focuses on the psychological derioration of one man and society's perceptions of insanity. Hallloween is about comic-book slasher who slaugheters horny teens.
I'm going to have to stop you there! Assault On Precinct 13 and The Thing compete for being his best directed films, I would say. As for me, I prefer The Fog to Halloween. But the influence of Halloween cannot be overlooked. It's style, pacing, scoring and atmosphere are excellent examples of the genre.
Originally posted by: Mike O
Because it set down the guidelines and the template for all "slasher" films to follow. With the exception of Psycho, it's the original. Show some respect.
Originally posted by: Zion
Lol, I don't think any slasher movie is supposed to be analyzed in that great a detail. You could come up with just as many questions with any Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser film if you really wanted to. Scary movies like those are almost cheesy on purpose.
I agree. The point that I am making is that Halloween is held in such high esteem compared to its slasher brethern, and I'm wondering why.
Lol, I don't think any slasher movie is supposed to be analyzed in that great a detail. You could come up with just as many questions with any Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser film if you really wanted to. Scary movies like those are almost cheesy on purpose.
I agree. The point that I am making is that Halloween is held in such high esteem compared to its slasher brethern, and I'm wondering why.
Because it set down the guidelines and the template for all "slasher" films to follow. With the exception of Psycho, it's the original. Show some respect.
Psycho is an intelligent picture which focuses on the psychological derioration of one man and society's perceptions of insanity. Hallloween is about comic-book slasher who slaugheters horny teens.
I'm going to have to stop you there! Assault On Precinct 13 and The Thing compete for being his best directed films, I would say. As for me, I prefer The Fog to Halloween. But the influence of Halloween cannot be overlooked. It's style, pacing, scoring and atmosphere are excellent examples of the genre.
While I am by no means a fan of Carpenter, I'll agree to a certain extent about The Thing. What about Starman? It's hard to overlook Jeff Bridges brilliant performance, and Carpenter's bizzare sentimentaliy lends a unique sensitivity to it.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
How about "Cigarette Burns" from the Masters of Horror?
How about "Cigarette Burns" from the Masters of Horror?
Ive not seen it yet, I have been meaning to get it on DVD for ages to see it but never got round to it, from what ive read and heard its supposed to be a bit of a return to form for him and better than a lot of his recent stuff, Ive tried to stear clear of his early 90s - early 00s output as I didnt think much of his films in that era, and stick with the stuff I like from the late 70s to late 80s but if I remember I will get this on DVD to have a look..
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My girl is gonna flip when she finds this out. She loves this movie and would definitely want to see it on the big screen.
And to the analysis further up....no horror film is meant to be taken that seriously...the only ones I would seriously think about would be Romero's Living Dead trilogy. Those got some seriously heavy themes at work there.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Thanks a lot of the heads up here, Mark!!!
My girl is gonna flip when she finds this out. She loves this movie and would definitely want to see it on the big screen.
And to the analysis further up....no horror film is meant to be taken that seriously...the only ones I would seriously think about would be Romero's Living Dead trilogy. Those got some seriously heavy themes at work there.
Thanks a lot of the heads up here, Mark!!!
My girl is gonna flip when she finds this out. She loves this movie and would definitely want to see it on the big screen.
And to the analysis further up....no horror film is meant to be taken that seriously...the only ones I would seriously think about would be Romero's Living Dead trilogy. Those got some seriously heavy themes at work there.
Good horror films can have plenty of subtext. Certainly, slasher movies won't have much subtext, but good horror pictures can. I'm not the world's biggest Wes Craven fan, but consider the look at families and society in The Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes or in Tobe Hooper's The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. How about the dazzling hyperkinetic visuals of the Evil Dead trilogy? Great art, they ain't but it hard to have more fun. That's not to say that there is no fun to be had from slasher movies, though.
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On an other note, Cigarette Burns is pretty good. Reminds me of the 'old style' Carpenter. It's not his best work, but does have good 'shock value'. Worth seeing.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Isn't that the point of horror movies? To have fun? I think if you over analyze them, it takes the fun out of it. I guess it's the same with all movies though.
Isn't that the point of horror movies? To have fun? I think if you over analyze them, it takes the fun out of it. I guess it's the same with all movies though.
Depends on the movie. Begman films are meant to be analyzed like crazy. Jason Goes To Hell The Final Friday is not.
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