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You're probably right.

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Originally posted by: Zion
Laserdisc never appealed to the general public because it stayed expensive and it wasn't a convenient way to watch movies with the bulky discs and so many side changes. Next-gen DVD formats appeal to anyone who owns an HDTV and wants something that matches the quality of their TV programming. Prices for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players and media are bound to drop gradually over the course of the next few years, just like any new technology has in the last ten years. Eventually, players will get to the point where they're inexpensive enough for people to replace their existing DVD player, especially since they're backward compatible and you won't have to upgrade your entire library of DVDs. Until then, videophiles will determine the outcome of the next-gen media war.


Laserdisc was a hugely popular format in other countrys. Just because it wasn't big in the US doesn't mean it wasn't in other areas. Even so, it survived in the US for nearly twenty years for being a niche format. I don't think you'll see star wars on blu ray for some time because frankly, the user base for blu ray is extremely small and they would not make any money with a blu ray release next year.

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Originally posted by: Zion
Risky? Hardly. First of all, the only new format it can be released on is Blu-Ray because both Lucas and Fox have pledged their support of that format. Second, something as mega-popular as Star Wars could only HELP a format like Blu-ray become more popular. People aren't going to buy one machine over the other because they like a certain player better than the other. They're going to buy whicever one has more attractive media or simply more titles in general.

Now, if they release the box set ONLY on Blu-ray and not DVD, that would seriously impact the amount of sales and most likely wouldn't be worth it. Not to metion the fact that single-disc releases on Blu-ray hover around $30. A box set would probably be close to $150. From a marketing standpoint, it would be wise for them to release it on both Blu-ray and DVD to maximize sales while at the same time helping the success of Blu-ray and catering to videophiles.



Take it from someone who works in the upper-middle end of the custom HT business...either format is up in the air at the moment and precious few people are going to shell out close to a grand just to be able watch SW in HD when for many of them dvd quality is already good enough. Do you know how many of my clients think the standard dvd format is already HD? PLENTY.

Then there are those who are aware of HD formats, but are confused by the whole HD vs. Bluray nonsense. These folks ALL refer to the technology generically as "HD DVD". They make no distinction between the two an coudn't tell the difference between them, and neither could anyone else. The techno babble of one versus the other doesn't mean a damn thing to them. All they care about is..."does it look good?"

And then you have the more techie folks who are almost all taking the "wait and see" position, as am I. People are getting tired of being ripped off. What we already have available in good quality standard dvd players with good cables and displays is good enough to satisfy most folks out there. They're more savvy consumers. They don't want to invest in something with a 50% chance of being obsolete in a year or two.

If the players are selling for $200.00 when this alleged box set is released, then it might move some players as well. But if prices are still hovering in the $1000.00 range, don't expect to see the players start fyling off the shelves.

It is a risk to back any new technology. Hell, a year from now Bluray could be on it last legs. You can't predict what technology is going to do a year from now. Unless every title is released in both formats, one will kill the other. Nobody wants to spend money on technology that they can't watch ALL of their favorite movies on. That's just plain stupid.

Like I said, though...wait and see.
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I guess we'll find out, won't we?

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Originally posted by: Zion
They're going to buy whicever one has more attractive media or simply more titles in general. Funny how VHS beat BETA even though it was released after BETA had already many titles on the market.
Only in the sense that DVD once was primarily for videophiles when it first came out and players cost hundreds of dollars. If the evolution of DVD is anything to go on, five years from now Blu-ray players (or HDDVD, in the unlikely event it wins out) will most likely cost less than $200 and there will be more Blu-ray media for sale in stores than DVDs. This is only possible if the market supports it. You can't sell a product to a market who doesn't want the product. And besides, when HD-DVD and BluRay come out people will choose the one which is better value, the one which is cheaper. Just like most people buy one of the cheaper model DVD players, even though it may not have all the features of the more expensive players. Who is going to buy HD-DVD or BluRay when most people don't have HD-TV sets yet? When, in fact some countries haven't even yet worked out approved specifications for their HD-TV format yet!These folks ALL refer to the technology generically as "HD DVD". They make no distinction between the two an coudn't tell the difference between them, and neither could anyone else.
One of the things I once heard on the radio many years ago now, was someone trying to promote DVD's. This was before all DVD players were region-free, and I'll never forget it because the caller wanted to ask where he could get a region-free player, and the guy promoting the DVD format explained he could not help with it and that he believed in region coding. But the saddest thing about it was the caller referred to our region as being Region Five, and he never corrected the caller to explain the correct region number. Joe public doesn't care about the theory of it - they want to experience it, learn from their friends and family who've bought the product - and follow them to make better decisions. People are going to buy the better format, not the technically superior format.And then you have the more techie folks who are almost all taking the "wait and see" position, as am I.
That's exactly what they'll do.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Both HD-DVD and BD are bound to drop in price over time (at least in the US and some other countries). Both formats have a high level of corporate push behind them. Laserdisc became the standard in Japan over VHS due similar corporate support.

And, even though I believe Blu-ray Discs are superior to HD-DVDs, I don't have a lot of hope that either format will "win." For a while I believed that Sony would kick Toshiba's ass with the Playstation 3, but they're bungling their next game system left and right. So, I have no idea anymore. If BD fails to win then I'm fairly certain that neither format will. In other words, I'm beginning to think that there's a chance that they'll exist side by side for the entire life of the other format to some degree. The only reason Beta failed so miserably was the fact that its technology was proprietary. Both BD and HD-DVD are open technologies with wide support.

Either way, I still intend to purchase a PS3 simply for the gaming console aspect at least (I'll share the cost with my girlfriend ). I might wait before buying any kind of movie library though. I also don't know if I'll wait a few months and hope the PS3's price drops or if I'll buy a "launch" system.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Either way, I still intend to purchase a PS3 simply for the gaming console aspect at least (I'll share the cost with my girlfriend ). I might wait before buying any kind of movie library though. I also don't know if I'll wait a few months and hope the PS3's price drops or if I'll buy a "launch" system.
I know this is off topic, but Nintendo promised the price of the Wii will be "at most" half the price of the PS3! I don't hold much hope (or respect) for Sony, but I do think Microsoft will be the market leader this time around. MS got in before Sony or Nintendo, and their units will drop in price first. But Nintendo's will be US$250 (or possibly less) at release, so they'll certainly have a chance. A lot of Sony fans prefer Sony because it has a wider range of titles than Nintendo... and I think that MS would have caught many of those consumers in their net this time around, getting in before PS3 - and let's face it, XBOX shits all over PS2. Nintendo will always strive to be the name in quality and innovation... but I don't know if that's going to be enough to win consumers this time around. After all, Microsoft's controllers are USB compatible - then again, Nintendo is 100% backwards compatible with GameCube - AND has the ability to play their NES, SNES and N64 back-catalogue... this could be enough for me, if I could play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark again, I wouldn't even mind paying for it a 2nd time round! I think in the end though, this fierce competition is going to help build grater consoles and make far better gaming. I won't be buying the Sony console - I continue to despise the company after their rootkits... so buying a PS3 is out of the question. The other two, however are looking strong.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris
I won't be buying the Sony console - I continue to despise the company after their rootkits...
And here's an even more off-topic side-note:

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(EMI)

Well isn't that funny? Because:

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WinAmp doesn't seem to mind.

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Nor does Media Player Classic.

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And even Windows Media Player seems happy enough to play the CD ... how does it do it? According to the CD's autoplay it needs to install some updated files before I can listen to my CD...

EMI, if you're listening, that was the LAST CD of yours I will purchase, thank you. You are as bad as Sony - if not worse. Oh and for the record, I've never copied this CD, nor ripped the tracks to my HDD, nor ripped them to an MP3 player - I've only listened to it (which is what I purchased the CD for).



Now, to get back on topic - I'm not buying the PT on Blu-Ray, because they'll be even further modified, and also because Sony can kiss my rear end and they seem to be butt-buddies with Blu-Ray, so no thank you. HD-DVD... MAYBE... in like 8 or 9 years.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris Now, to get back on topic - I'm not buying the PT on Blu-Ray, because they'll be even further modified, and also because Sony can kiss my rear end and they seem to be butt-buddies with Blu-Ray, so no thank you. HD-DVD... MAYBE... in like 8 or 9 years.



See, that's why you piss people off around here. You make so valid points, but then you make these wild assumptions about the future. Either you're a well read, articulate dope, or you're Marty McFly with a crazy ass time machine from the future.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
See, that's why you piss people off around here.
Hey I'm showing you consumer choice live in action here... my choices may sound stupid to you, but that's how it is. EMI and Sony are blacklisted from my product choices, and so is every company who directly promotes them, or who directly benefits from their success over the success of their competitors.
Some were not blessed with brains.
<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris

"Glass is a uniform amorphous solid material"
is the very first thing said! So much for being neutral. There is a real debate over whether glass is classed as an "amorphous solid" or a liquid. "One common misconception is that glass is a liquid... Glass is generally treated as an amorphous solid rather than a liquid, though different views can be justified since characterizing glass as either 'solid' or 'liquid' is not an entirely straightforward matter." Again, so much for neutrality.



My chemistry book last year classified glass as a "supercooled liquid".

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TFN just put up a tidbit from an apparant promotional document from Lego.
We've just received a translation of the recent LEGO booklet posted here in this story.

"STAR WARS celebrates it 30th anniversary !

* The LEGO Star Wars line still sells well - even in years without a movie. In 2005, the LEGO Star Wars assortment was about 70 % of the total revenue of all Star Wars licences in central europe. In April 2006, LEGO Star Wars was about 7,8% of the total revenue of LEGO Central Europe

* Because of the 30th anniversary of the Star Wars Saga, there will be a balanced assortment of NEW LEGO Star Wars items and best seller with new designs, in 2007. All sets include unique parts and figures.

* The STAR WARS DVD set, that will be released at the 30th anniversary, will be responsible for an increased sale of the new sets. There will be a anniversary logo on all LEGO Star Wars sets.

* All LEGO Star Wars set will be very detailed - with many authentic features, heros and bad guys from the movies.

* Different price points for all conditions"

Notice the bit about the 30th Anniversary DVD set? Yeah me too :-)
I know we all have pretty much accepted the upcoming 2007 DVD set as not even needing a confirmation, but here is more none the less.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
TFN just put up a tidbit from an apparant promotional document from Lego.
We've just received a translation of the recent LEGO booklet posted here in this story.

"STAR WARS celebrates it 30th anniversary !

* The LEGO Star Wars line still sells well - even in years without a movie. In 2005, the LEGO Star Wars assortment was about 70 % of the total revenue of all Star Wars licences in central europe. In April 2006, LEGO Star Wars was about 7,8% of the total revenue of LEGO Central Europe

* Because of the 30th anniversary of the Star Wars Saga, there will be a balanced assortment of NEW LEGO Star Wars items and best seller with new designs, in 2007. All sets include unique parts and figures.

* The STAR WARS DVD set, that will be released at the 30th anniversary, will be responsible for an increased sale of the new sets. There will be a anniversary logo on all LEGO Star Wars sets.

* All LEGO Star Wars set will be very detailed - with many authentic features, heros and bad guys from the movies.

* Different price points for all conditions"

Notice the bit about the 30th Anniversary DVD set? Yeah me too :-)
I know we all have pretty much accepted the upcoming 2007 DVD set as not even needing a confirmation, but here is more none the less.


Yes, but the question is, will it contain the OOT remastered and restored? That's what I care about.

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Originally posted by: boris
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Either way, I still intend to purchase a PS3 simply for the gaming console aspect at least (I'll share the cost with my girlfriend ). I might wait before buying any kind of movie library though. I also don't know if I'll wait a few months and hope the PS3's price drops or if I'll buy a "launch" system.
I know this is off topic, but Nintendo promised the price of the Wii will be "at most" half the price of the PS3! I don't hold much hope (or respect) for Sony, but I do think Microsoft will be the market leader this time around. MS got in before Sony or Nintendo, and their units will drop in price first. But Nintendo's will be US$250 (or possibly less) at release, so they'll certainly have a chance. A lot of Sony fans prefer Sony because it has a wider range of titles than Nintendo... and I think that MS would have caught many of those consumers in their net this time around, getting in before PS3 - and let's face it, XBOX shits all over PS2. Nintendo will always strive to be the name in quality and innovation... but I don't know if that's going to be enough to win consumers this time around. After all, Microsoft's controllers are USB compatible - then again, Nintendo is 100% backwards compatible with GameCube - AND has the ability to play their NES, SNES and N64 back-catalogue... this could be enough for me, if I could play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark again, I wouldn't even mind paying for it a 2nd time round! I think in the end though, this fierce competition is going to help build grater consoles and make far better gaming. I won't be buying the Sony console - I continue to despise the company after their rootkits... so buying a PS3 is out of the question. The other two, however are looking strong.


I wholeheartedly believe that Nintendo will come out of this generation strong. It's the one system I'm pre-ordering and Nintendo doesn't have to sell its system for a loss just to entice customers. Microsoft can kiss my ass. Its bad enough I'm stuck with their damn OS on my computer, I don't want to help them form a monopoly in the console market. Sony is annoying, but I can enjoy them and BD is the superior HD format at the moment (though even BD sucks as a true successor to DVD).

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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My money is on Nintendo as well. They have a great price point, they have an exciting innovation in the way we control games, and their first party games are reliablly well put together.
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Yup, I'm going with Nintendo. I've been a Nintendo fan my whole life. Still sitting, in perfect condition, on my gaming shelf along with my PS2 and Gamecube is my good ol' Nintendo 64. It's still a great system. I'm really a handheld fan, so I still have my Game Boy Color, and I now have a GBA SP, along with a NDS Lite for all my handheld needs. And the Wii looks positively perfect. PS3 and Xbox 360 may be offering better graphics, but no innovation. The Wii is completely innovative, and brings you into the games in a way never before seen. Plus, it will play all the Gamecube games ever made, along with a huge library of NES, SNES and N64 titles through Virtual Console, as well as Sega Genesis. I don't think we could be asking for more from this system, except for it to play Hi-Def media formats, but I really don't care about that. Plus, the Wii is cheap at 250 dollars, and the first party games will only be 50. XBOX 360 and PS3 will have 60 and 70 dollar first party titles, respectively. So with Nintendo, you get a LOT more for your money.

Go Nintendo! And keep making great handhelds as well!
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
My chemistry book last year classified glass as a "supercooled liquid". Wow, isn't that amazing how chemistry books don't know what they're talking about these days, thanks to the unquestionable neutral wonder of wikipedia ?
PS3 and Xbox 360 may be offering better graphics, but no innovation.
What makes you think PS3 will have better graphics? PS2 had the poorest of the three last time...Originally posted by: Tiptup
I wholeheartedly believe that Nintendo will come out of this generation strong. It's the one system I'm pre-ordering and Nintendo doesn't have to sell its system for a loss just to entice customers. Microsoft can kiss my ass.
Microsoft's strategy with the XBOX paid off quite well last time. I think Nintendo will pick up ground this time round, however I still believe Microsoft's XBOX-360 has the biggest growth of a fan-base, and getting in early will have been a huge advantage for them. Today you cannot own a PS3 or a Wii - but you can own an XBOX-360.

It all comes down to what Sony fans do, really. If their market goes to Microsoft - then MS will be the strongest party this time, if they go to Nintendo - then Nintendo may win. I think though that Sony fans will probably prefer XBOX-360 - because it's the closest system to what the PS3 is, whereas Nintendo is off in a world of their own. If I get any, it probably be the Wii - but I don't know about the "sports" - I've never been a fan of videogame sports. If I want to play tennis I'll play tennis, not a Nintendo.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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Originally posted by: boris

Microsoft's strategy with the XBOX paid off quite well last time. I think Nintendo will pick up ground this time round, however I still believe Microsoft's XBOX-360 has the biggest growth of a fan-base, and getting in early will have been a huge advantage for them. Today you cannot own a PS3 or a Wii - but you can own an XBOX-360.

It all comes down to what Sony fans do, really. If their market goes to Microsoft - then MS will be the strongest party this time, if they go to Nintendo - then Nintendo may win. I think though that Sony fans will probably prefer XBOX-360 - because it's the closest system to what the PS3 is, whereas Nintendo is off in a world of their own. If I get any, it probably be the Wii - but I don't know about the "sports" - I've never been a fan of videogame sports. If I want to play tennis I'll play tennis, not a Nintendo.


That's nonsense on two counts if you ask me.

First, you cannot say that Microsoft's strategy with the X-box "paid off quite well" considering Microsoft was still selling each individual X-box at a loss right up until the X-box 360's launch. Now their new system is losing them a whole lot more money and they still have yet to attain a payoff. Microsoft's games division claims that its all part of their genius strategy to become the dominant system in the market, like Sony achieved with the PS2, but what does that matter if they make no profits? (Plus the PS2 enticed a massive section of the console market with its DVD playback and I see nothing as similarly enticing for average people concerning the Xbox-360. In the end, the size of a system's user base is what matters in consoles.)

As for the Wii appealing to the ex-Sony gamers, that's too simplistic of a view. The Wii is a very different kind of system and isn't limited in its appeal like that. I know plenty of X-box fans that can't wait own a Wii and know plenty of Sony fans that say the same thing. People don't have to purchase one system only.

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See that's why I feel the Wii will pull ahead. It's the no brainer choice, everyone will have one.

A lot of hard core gamers will get all systems in a particular generation because they have to play all the games exclusive to each system.

I think this time around most of those people will be put in a position where they will end up choosing between a PS3 or 360, because of their higher pricing.

So it will be a choice between a "Wii and 360" or "Wii and a PS3".

Either way, Nintendo wins.
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Agreed. The HD formats may not work out. Most people just upgraded to DVD. I can't see most people doing that for so much money.

True, it will probably take a while for HD of any kind to become the dominant disc-type, but with the push to HD televisions, it's just a matter of time.

Don't worry about your DVD collection, though, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be backwards compatible ( Blu-Ray: DVD-compatible, HD-DVD: DVD-compatible [click the FAQ Flash link in the left-hand contents column] ).

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Have u goes got a HD DVD player or even HDDVD i dont think so . Weather he brings it out on HD or DVD u are still paying 60 pounds . THE OOT WILL BE REMASTERED he has to fix yoda in EP 1 . Its gonna be a 12 disk set . THE OOT WILL BE REMASTERED
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First, there is at least one person around here that does have a hi-def DVD player (I don't remember if they picked up a Blu-ray or HD-DVD). So right there, your argument falls flat.

Second, damn man, learn some english and grammar. That was painful to read.
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Originally posted by: SW
Have u goes got a HD DVD player or even HDDVD i dont think so . Weather he brings it out on HD or DVD u are still paying 60 pounds . THE OOT WILL BE REMASTERED he has to fix yoda in EP 1 . Its gonna be a 12 disk set . THE OOT WILL BE REMASTERED

What the hell does remastering the OOT have to do with digital Yoda in TPM? Absolutely nothing.

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Originally posted by: Zion
What the hell does remastering the OOT have to do with digital Yoda in TPM? Absolutely nothing.
Oh Zion, surely you can see that what he ment to say was: THE SE WILL BE REMASTERED! THE SE WILL BE REMASTERED! THE SE WILL BE REMASTERED!

Of course the OOT will be remastered, eventually. It won't happen for next year though.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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The HD Format is STILL to High Priced! IMO.
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