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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Ok I upped a zip file containing the web doc and a folder of images for the guide: http://rapidshare.de/files/35010977/Downrating_Audio_Guide.zip.html

As I said before, I can't take full credit for the guide. The original had poor english (making it difficult to understand), and a few holes in the steps.
I just cleaned it up.

Anyway, it's original intent is to allow you to take a DVD, extract an audio track (usually PCM), re-encode the audio to DD and then add it back without any other changes to the DVD. It's pretty slick really.

My theory here is, if you go though this, but skip the audio re-encoding step (unless you want more compression on it), when you rebuild the disc, just add any additional audio tracks you were wanting (and leave out any you don't). Just make sure you know the order of the audio tracks because it will effect the audio selection menu.
You'd probably have to shrink/reencode the video to make it fit on a disc when you're done, but it'll get you a fully function disc with menus AND that mono track you want on there (or whatever).


Not to sound ungrateful, but WinZip and WinRar both puke on the file....what settings/program did you use to make that zip? Any help would be welcomed...

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Yes, all is well now, thank you. And thank you for spending the time to make such a nice tutorial.

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I am happy to hear that so many people are having success with this conversion! I own the WS Faces set (and the WS '97 SEs too) on VHS. So it would be legal for me to acquire an anamorphic backup of the OUT discs from someone, correct?
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I think that is stretching the law a bit further. VHS is a crap medium, as everybody knows. It is one thing for those who are using the X0 project or something similar to archive their (superior) laserdisc transfers onto DVD. It is something else to obtain a LD or DVD rip / upconvert to replace those crummy, fading VHS copies.

If you don't have the OOT on laserdisc, there is no excuse not to get it officially on DVD. Then if you want to upconvert what they've made available more power to you. That's why this thread is here ... to help with that.

And, not to derail this thread, I say to hell with the DMCA. That is not even close to the spirit of copyrights and fair use. I've bought this set officially on DVD. I'm upconverting it and modifying the soundtrack using only elements provided in the two releases (obtaining the missing 70mm lines that are provided in the SE). So long as the methods I choose to do this don't involve making minors work for ten cents an hour, it shouldn't make one bit of difference what those methods are.

But back to the issue at hand: Buy the set, and you're not only removing risk to yourself, but you're simply doing the right thing in the spirit of the law. It'll also give you a reason to bitch if they do release it in anamorphic next year. After all, those who do not purchase a product do not reserve the right to complain about it.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan


Buy the set, and you're not only removing risk to yourself, but you're simply doing the right thing in the spirit of the law. It'll also give you a reason to bitch if they do release it in anamorphic next year. After all, those who do not purchase a product do not reserve the right to complain about it.


ADigitalMan, you speak words of great wisdom!


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Success, I think ANH is on it's way to being encoded anamorphically on my hard drive as I type.

Thanks again, Adigitalman.

I went ahead and bought ESB, since ANH looked decent enough. My goodness, it looks terrible.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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ROTJ definitely looks better than ANH or ESB. But ESB is still my favorite.

If they release a cleaned up, proper anamorphic presentation next year I'll do exactly what I did this year ... sell this version on Amazon to recover as much of the investment as possible on the day it's announced, then pre-order the "better version." I keep hoping ...
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Ah, crap. When I finish, the picture is indeed 16:9, but it looks like it was merely squished to fit that way. That's no good, I want it cropped don't I?

Will this look okay on a real TV?

EDIT: Nevermind. I modified the crop command in the AVS, and the test sample turned out perfect.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I think that is stretching the law a bit further. VHS is a crap medium, as everybody knows. It is one thing for those who are using the X0 project or something similar to archive their (superior) laserdisc transfers onto DVD. It is something else to obtain a LD or DVD rip / upconvert to replace those crummy, fading VHS copies.

If you don't have the OOT on laserdisc, there is no excuse not to get it officially on DVD. Then if you want to upconvert what they've made available more power to you. That's why this thread is here ... to help with that.

And, not to derail this thread, I say to hell with the DMCA. That is not even close to the spirit of copyrights and fair use. I've bought this set officially on DVD. I'm upconverting it and modifying the soundtrack using only elements provided in the two releases (obtaining the missing 70mm lines that are provided in the SE). So long as the methods I choose to do this don't involve making minors work for ten cents an hour, it shouldn't make one bit of difference what those methods are.

But back to the issue at hand: Buy the set, and you're not only removing risk to yourself, but you're simply doing the right thing in the spirit of the law. It'll also give you a reason to bitch if they do release it in anamorphic next year. After all, those who do not purchase a product do not reserve the right to complain about it.

I was being lighthearted with my post and that is why I put the guy in there. But I totally see what you are saying, ADM.


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So, no one has tackled or solved the aliasing/jaggy problem in ANH?
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Originally posted by: SamS
So, no one has tackled or solved the aliasing/jaggy problem in ANH?


I think there was some discussion about this on page 8 with a suggestion of a avs filter that seems to work.
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Originally posted by: iRantanplan
Originally posted by: SamS
So, no one has tackled or solved the aliasing/jaggy problem in ANH?


I think there was some discussion about this on page 8 with a suggestion of a avs filter that seems to work.


Yeah, but I could never get any confirmation that it actually worked. Before and after screen shots would be helpful. Also, no clear way to do the fix(?) with DVD Rebuilder Pro.

Would anyone be able to revisit the subject and help me tackle?

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I had the same timing issues on the ROTJ subtitles that I had with ANH. I'm posting them here for comparison. Feel free to use them in your own upconverts:
ROTJ Subtitles AS ON THE GOUT
1
00:10:00,603 --> 00:10:04,505
There will be no bargain.

2
00:10:06,909 --> 00:10:13,906
I will not give up my favorite decoration.

3
00:10:15,385 --> 00:10:18,821
I like Captain Solo where he is.

4
00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:21,025
I have come for the bounty
on this Wookiee.

5
00:14:27,036 --> 00:14:31,700
At last we have the mighty Chewbacca.

6
00:14:57,566 --> 00:14:59,659
I want 50,000. No less.

7
00:15:41,277 --> 00:15:45,805
This bounty hunter is my kind of scum...

8
00:15:46,749 --> 00:15:49,582
fearless and inventive.

9
00:20:00,502 --> 00:20:04,268
It's too late for that, Solo.

10
00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:09,107
You may have been a good smuggler...

11
00:20:09,178 --> 00:20:12,670
but now you're Bantha fodder.

12
00:20:19,555 --> 00:20:21,648
Take him away.

13
00:20:29,031 --> 00:20:31,226
Bring her to me.

14
00:20:41,543 --> 00:20:43,477
I'm sure.

15
00:23:16,465 --> 00:23:20,799
I told you not to admit him.

16
00:23:22,771 --> 00:23:25,569
He must be allowed to speak.

17
00:23:26,375 --> 00:23:29,367
You weak-minded fool!

18
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:35,749
He's using an old Jedi mind trick.

19
00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:50,493
Your mind powers
will not work on me, boy.

20
00:24:07,316 --> 00:24:11,946
There will be no bargain, young Jedi.

21
00:24:13,121 --> 00:24:16,682
I shall enjoy watching you die.

22
00:27:37,659 --> 00:27:41,390
Bring me Solo and the Wookiee.

23
00:27:41,463 --> 00:27:45,695
They will all suffer for this outrage.

24
00:30:00,468 --> 00:30:06,873
Soon you will learn to appreciate me.

25
00:31:26,788 --> 00:31:29,621
Move him into position.

26
00:31:53,748 --> 00:31:56,080
Put him in.

ROTJ Subtitles Modified
1
00:10:00,203 --> 00:10:04,105
There will be no bargain.

2
00:10:06,509 --> 00:10:13,506
I will not give up my favorite decoration.

3
00:10:14,985 --> 00:10:18,421
I like Captain Solo where he is.

4
00:14:16,359 --> 00:14:20,625
I have come for the bounty on this Wookiee.

5
00:14:26,636 --> 00:14:31,300
At last we have the mighty Chewbacca.

6
00:14:57,166 --> 00:14:59,259
I want 50,000. No less.

7
00:15:40,877 --> 00:15:45,405
This bounty hunter is my kind of scum...

8
00:15:46,349 --> 00:15:49,182
fearless and inventive.

9
00:20:00,102 --> 00:20:03,868
It's too late for that, Solo.

10
00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:08,707
You may have been a good smuggler...

11
00:20:08,778 --> 00:20:12,270
but now you're Bantha fodder.

12
00:20:19,155 --> 00:20:21,248
Take him away.

13
00:20:28,631 --> 00:20:30,826
Bring her to me.

14
00:20:41,143 --> 00:20:43,077
I'm sure.

15
00:23:16,065 --> 00:23:20,399
I told you not to admit him.

16
00:23:22,371 --> 00:23:25,169
He must be allowed to speak.

17
00:23:25,975 --> 00:23:28,967
You weak-minded fool!

18
00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:35,349
He's using an old Jedi mind trick.

19
00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:50,093
Your mind powers will not work on me, boy.

20
00:24:06,916 --> 00:24:11,546
There will be no bargain, young Jedi.

21
00:24:12,721 --> 00:24:16,282
I shall enjoy watching you die.

22
00:27:37,259 --> 00:27:40,990
Bring me Solo and the Wookiee.

23
00:27:41,063 --> 00:27:45,295
They will all suffer for this outrage.

24
00:30:00,068 --> 00:30:06,473
Soon you will learn to appreciate me.

25
00:31:26,388 --> 00:31:29,221
Move him into position.

26
00:31:53,348 --> 00:31:55,680
Put him in.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
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2) demux the audio and the english ac3 file as separate streams. Unless you're doing something custom to the AC3 file (as I did) just leave it alone and re-mux it with the changed file.


Sorry for the stupid question but I'm a real n00b at this kind of stuff. What options do I select to demux the audio and english AC3 file into seperate streams? Do I just uncheck the box next to it?
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Check out the IFO Method of this page. It covers the program quite well.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Check out the IFO Method of this page. It covers the program quite well.


I'm still confused. It just lets me save the disc itself and not a demuxed M2V file.
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1) Launch DVD Decrypter and point it to your disc.
2) Under the "Mode" menu select "IFO"
3) Under the "Input" tab, be sure your main movie (and the appropriate angle, if applicable) is selected.
4) Click the "Stream Processing" tab.
5) Check the "Enable Stream Processing" checkbox
6) Uncheck all the streams you do NOT want.
7) For each stream you DO want, click it so it is highlighted, then check the "Demux" radio button.
8) Click the decrypt button to start coyping your streams.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
1) Launch DVD Decrypter and point it to your disc.
2) Under the "Mode" menu select "IFO"
3) Under the "Input" tab, be sure your main movie (and the appropriate angle, if applicable) is selected.
4) Click the "Stream Processing" tab.
5) Check the "Enable Stream Processing" checkbox
6) Uncheck all the streams you do NOT want.
7) For each stream you DO want, click it so it is highlighted, then check the "Demux" radio button.
8) Click the decrypt button to start coyping your streams.


So I uncheck English AC3? Thanks man. You're awesome.
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Quite the opposite -- you need to have English AC3 checked. And make sure that when English is selected, the "Demux" radio (option) button is selected.
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Originally posted by: wmgan
Quite the opposite -- you need to have English AC3 checked. And make sure that when English is selected, the "Demux" radio (option) button is selected.


Oh crap now I need to do it all over again.
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The ripping process shouldn't take too long. It usually takes about half an hour for me to rip a whole DVD-9, and it shouldn't take that long if you're just demuxing an AC3 track. It's the MPEG encoding process that takes forever (especially if you use the highest quality settings) and is a pain to have to do all over again...
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Although I don't own a widescreen TV, for some reason I thought I should make my own anamorphic version... because I can, I guess. Anyway, my version is going to be bare bones. No menus, no subtitle streams. Just max bitrate anamorphic video with Belbucus' DC PCM audio on dual-layer (I'll probably make multiple versions now that Belbucus is getting all the mixes out there). Here are some screenshots of the "burned-in" subtitles. I used AlternateGotNo3D. In another thread, Zion listed a bunch of examples trying to match the DC subtitles. This one looked the closest to me.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9742/01iw7.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8313/03zy9.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4079/06bn4.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/492/13qq0.jpg

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It's hard to tell from the scaled down images, but have you blurred the subtitles at all? I find this integrates better into the picture, and the vertical blur stops them shimmering on 50Hz CRTs (and will probably stop other displays trying to process them so harshly).

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
It's hard to tell from the scaled down images, but have you blurred the subtitles at all? I find this integrates better into the picture, and the vertical blur stops them shimmering on 50Hz CRTs (and will probably stop other displays trying to process them so harshly).

DE


I created the subtitles in Photoshop with the anti-aliasing setting of "smooth" and a black 2 pixel stroke and superimposed them in Final Cut Pro. So, I haven't really blurred them. When I get around to encoding the .m2v and get it on a disc I'll check and see on a few sets if there's a flicker or shimmer problem. Thanks for the info!

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