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>> What about that music at the beginning when Zigzag speaks? It's not in the Recobbled Cut... is it really by Robert Folk? It just seems odd because it sounds like it ties into the menacing fly-over music.

I don't remember, but I'm sure it's the original music from the workprint.

In the Recobbled Cut, I wanted better sound quality on Zigzag's line, so I used the Robert Folk Calvert audio, up til the end of Zigzag's line, then we're back in workprint territory.

>>Do you think Ogg would mind if I put that avi file up on Youtube (giving him credit of course)? It deserves to be out there, I think.

Certain Patrick wouldn't mind. Patrick McCart.
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Here's my rough edit test of the flyover sequence using the Calvert footage: http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/flyover-redo.avi

You might see more of this in the near future...
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"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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Garrett--

Forgive my straying into another topic, but a quick question. A while back, you posted a quick guide to video editing, and you mentioned all the editing suites you used for your Star Wars edits. What forum did you post that in, and what programs did you use for your Star Wars and Thief projects?
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How I Did It --

http://www.orangecow.org/starwars/how%20i%20did%20it.rtf

There you go. It was in the Classic Edition threads.


Sorry I haven't been around - my phone and internet got disconnected. I am now on dialup temporarily. Full service to be resumed next week.

Macronencer sent me the HUGE scan of the Thief and the Cobbler Calvert poster - it's wonderful. The poster of course is ugly but the logo is crisp and clear and worthy of being used on many covers and things. I'll upload it when I can - again, I'm on dialup!

Mark Smith has sent in the "O" logo, with the Thief coming out of the O .... the original Williams studio logo for the film!

So we're good on logos.

I finally got in a new DVD burner after waiting 2 weeks. Orders will finally start being sent out again.

To save money I bought an internal modem this time -- but Mac G4s have a weird design which doesn't open up enough to allow a standard DVD burner's door to come out of the opening -- So I installed a DVD burner, but couldn't eject the drive! It was just trapped in there ....

I took a nail and popped off the front of the drive door - because the burner was trapped in there it didn't cause the drive to open, so nothing got damaged.

Now I've got a slimmer, weird looking but completely functional internal burner.


Completely off topic, a while back I starred in a pretty embarrassing pilot for MTV, which was then called Triple Threat - an American Idol type setup where various talented people are made to look like idiots as they have to sing, dance and act. Frightening stuff.

The show just aired. It's now called "MTV's Little Talent Show." It's been airing at 3pm and 6pm all this week. My episode was aired as episode 3 I believe .... originally the pilot. I think they're airing a new episode every day.

I haven't seen the show yet. I understand it's on Youtube, but I've been without internet. I'm looking for it, but I'm on dialup, so it's slow going!

I THINK this might be my episode, but I haven't tried to watch it yet. (EDIT - yep. I can see the first shot, and it's definitely me in a blue shirt. Christ I'm fat. Or XIF for short.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03NDVNMO6Oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5AcgcwZtxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYqCESsLtLo


Contestants Merrin Mae and Adam Ryan, who I quite liked and got along with, were both cut out of the episode entirely. Which is pretty bizarre. We were all onstage and backstage at the same time in a huge group for the entire show, so I can't even imagine what a mess they had to make of the edit to cut two people out of it.


My friends Jesse Maddox and Erik Anderson are on another episode (shot as the second episode, I recommended them for the parts) - I saw them in the trailer for the series. Jesse is wearing a red shirt, has dark hair, is thin. Erik is a little bit chunkier, blonde hair.

Jesse Maddox pics
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/ampff3lisajesse.jpg
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/ampff3jesse4.jpg
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/campff3jesse.jpg

Erik Anderson pics
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/campff3erik.jpg
http://www.ffrevolution.com/campff/campff3/campff3erikslapped2.jpg

For more recognition purposes, you can see all three of us in the movie Ghostbusted 3 ...
http://www.orangecow.org/videos/ghostbusted3.avi

I'm the unruly-haired Ghostbuster Seymour, Jesse is a guy who gets "killed" while singing the Ghostbusters theme, and then shows up later in a news report (as the guy who doesn't say much and has a bruise on his arm), which has Erik in it as the makeup man and "Real World Contestant."

I don't know when Jesse and Erik's episode aired, if it's aired yet. I suspect it might have aired before mine, so ANYONE READING THIS, PLEASE KEEP A LOOK OUT ON MTV.

The Little Talent Show, MTV, 3, 3:30 and 6PM.

I believe I'll be able to get a DVD copy of my episode .... a guy named Guillermo Gomez was watching, recognized me and got it on DVD-R .... very cool.
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Jesus. I just watched my episode of The Little Talent Show ... which, again, was called Triple Threat when we shot it and had two more people in it who were really good. As you can guess from the change of the show's title, they cut out all the good bits and made us all look like morons.

Really depressing, as they could have created a wonderful show - most of the contestants were really talented. In the acting segment, Daniel does a Marlon Wayans impression which is hilarious, and yet the edit pretends that he was being serious or something. That's just criminal. I mean it's fraud on a basic level.

I was basically cut out of the show, because it was too obvious that I was trying, and succeeding, to be funny. I consider that a compliment.

I've posted a long angry rant about all this which you can enjoy at my website, but I'll be quiet about it here, as it's off topic.

http://ffrevolution.com/InvisionBoard/index.php?s=02e6b36a50f8cfc3f550e3f06e953999&act=ST&f=2&t=1383&st=0#entry13028
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Back on topic, thank god.

Here are two high quality scans of real Thief and the Cobbler logos.

This one, by macronencer, is from the Calvert Thief and the Cobbler poster - a version of the film that was never released! - It's the real thing, it matches the original Williams version, so that's what it is.

http://orangecow.org/thief/thieflogo.jpg

Here's the original Williams version, with The Thief coming out of the O. Courtesy Mark Smith - it's slightly lower quality.

http://orangecow.org/thief/ThiefTitleslightblur.jpg

Both of these images have been blurred slightly to remove moire "printing dots." This creates a smaller JPEG image (file size wise), and that's good because I am on dialup.

If I weren't on dialup I'd upload the entire Calvert poster, which macronencer has lovingly scanned. I have the same poster in a tube in my room, except it says Princess and the Cobbler on it.

As for the O logo, you'll also get better quality on The Thief by taking him from the high quality scan I did of the Cannes Thief poster.

http://www.orangecow.org/thief/thieffromtherhorn/onceposterbig.jpg

And here's the Once logo again for good measure.
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/thieffromtherhorn/oncelogolarge.jpg



Here's what I'd like to see.

A Thief cover that looks like that "Once" logo .... Omar did something like that, where it looks like a book.

Except I'd like to see my own artwork used on it - or anything of Dick's - anything but that Cannes poster, which isn't really very good.

Something that matches the Recobbled cover I did.

You know, this one.

http://www.orangecow.org/thief/cobbleramarayv3.jpg


The Thief and the Cobbler logo would be the first one posted above .... except using the Thief in the O from the second logo posted above .... and then the Thief himself taken from the Cannes poster.

My own artwork hiding somewhere in here:
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/
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Hi ocp, delighted to see that my scans reached you at last - and I'm glad you like them. You can thank my dear friend R.M., who had to do a little "unofficial" ducking and diving where he works as a scanner operator to get that done for me as a freebie. I bought him a beer or two for his trouble, of course!

Interesting story about the MTV show. I may take a look if I get time - bit hectic at the moment, going through a "new job" thing. Sorry to hear about your Internet connection, hope you get high speed again soon.
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A million thanks to you and R.M., the scan is absolutely gorgeous. I especially thank you for the PSD version - I noticed some bad alignment and was able to fix the logo to be perfect before saving the final JPEG version.
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Briefly back off topic, I work at Viacom (believe me, I'm not bragging), as a Master Control Operator (I basically watch outgoing TV feeds in a control room to make sure they don't go to black-- I'm not involved in the production of the programming). So when The Little Talent Show's first episode debuted recently, I first thought, wow this is bad, even for MTV. Then my second thought was, holy crap, I think I know that guy! Then the name was revealed as Garrett, and lo and behold, I recognized him from seeing him in some of his films and from this board. I didn't know that the show had been originally titled something else, but knowing how MTV operates, it's no surprise that they, heh, *recobbled* a project and re-edited it beyond recognition. It smacks of being altered in the editing room. Most of their "reality" shows have had all their "reality" stripped from them anyway ("retakes"? WTF?). Well, this is all coming from a channel called "Music Television", which literally airs about 10 videos a week.

So, I feel your pain. Shows being hacked into demographic-friendly, short attention span snippets of what they're actually supposed to be is par for the course for these channels. I *knew* that there must've been more to the show than what was aired, because many of the participants got little to zero airtime. Plus, your stuff in the pilot *was* definitely the funniest, and I assumed there had to be chunks of the Rounds on the cutting room floor. The finished product is 20 minutes of mostly nothing, whittled down from what could likely be a funnier series. As an employee, I'm saddened that they operate this way creatively. And as a viewer, I'm disgusted that this supposedly "irreverant" network more often than not plays it safe. There are entire series planned out (some that actually sound interesting) and promos for them are aired, and then they're cancelled before they see the light of day. Don't wanna upset the status quo too much. If you were Janet Jackson and you showed your boobie, your boobie'd have its own show by now.

Sorry to hijack here, but I just wanted to mention that I had seen the show as it aired, and say that it's too bad it wasn't what it could've been. If I was in the production dept, I'd try to score the raw tapes of the show or something, to liberate the unseen gold that surely awaits on those raw reels of tape, now sadly destined to become forgotten dust.
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Cheers Booah. Yeah, Kamahni who won the competition was angry they cut out any clips of him actually showing any talent - the winner!

It's truly frightening, and what you get is a show about nothing, starring no one, containing zilch.

Where is the genuine irreverence, the reality? Where are the networks who aren't "owned," and willing to create something worth watching, rather than something corporate which tells the public "You are dumb, and this kind of shit is all you deserve to watch?"


More on topic, Omar in Iceland has sent in a revised version of his beautiful "Cannes" type cover for the film.

I still don't like the Cannes poster, and the text on the back is hard to read, but otherwise this is a gorgeous cover.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/swarez/thiefcoverpreview2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/swarez/3Dpreviews/thief3d2.jpg

I have asked Omar to make some changes to the text to make it more readable - hopefully he will - and I'll probably create a new collage to replace the Cannes poster for those who, like me, don't like it.




Completely off topic, and a shameless plug ... here's a new work-in-progress clip from the animated show I'm working on, Dance With Grandpa.
http://www.orangecow.org/videos/grandpaclipv3.avi
(12.8 megs)
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I've been thinking - should we try and contact Warner Licensing to see if they can provide a better copy of the "Thief" licensing trailer?

They don't own the rights to the film anymore, so maybe they have it archived and can help out.
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Omar made some typos in his back cover description.

The second paragraph should read (in my opinion):

For the first time ever, enjoy the original version of this lost animated classic from Academy Award® winning animator/director Richard Williams (Who Framed Roger Rabbit). Nearly 30 years in the making, this film has been painstakingly restored to its original form by Garrett Gilchrist.


He also fails to mention the Allied Films trailer as an extra - does Omar have Mark II? Or maybe he just omitted it for cosmetic reasons.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Cheers Booah. Yeah, Kamahni who won the competition was angry they cut out any clips of him actually showing any talent - the winner!

It's truly frightening, and what you get is a show about nothing, starring no one, containing zilch.

Where is the genuine irreverence, the reality? Where are the networks who aren't "owned," and willing to create something worth watching, rather than something corporate which tells the public "You are dumb, and this kind of shit is all you deserve to watch?"
This is probably why I stopped watching anything much on basic cable myself! I don't see any real use in it much these days.

More on topic, Omar in Iceland has sent in a revised version of his beautiful "Cannes" type cover for the film.

I still don't like the Cannes poster, and the text on the back is hard to read, but otherwise this is a gorgeous cover.
I have asked Omar to make some changes to the text to make it more readable - hopefully he will - and I'll probably create a new collage to replace the Cannes poster for those who, like me, don't like it.

That's true. The rest of that cover (besides the back cover text) looks worthy of being printed on paperboard (as opposed to a regular Amaray case)!

Completely off topic, and a shameless plug ... here's a new work-in-progress clip from the animated show I'm working on, Dance With Grandpa.
http://www.orangecow.org/videos/grandpaclipv3.avi
(12.8 megs)

I really need to get off my can and get cracking on some ideas for your show or such! Started thinking about it today, as I realized I already am in deep financial doo-doo since one of my jobs had to go and cut my hours so now I only work there on the weekends, leaving me with too much free time on the weekdays without anything much to do and my parents are getting sick of me sleeping in.
Yours truly,
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This would be a good header logo

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8793/thieflogoadlogork2.png

It would be a good idea for the cover art to mention it's 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen, by the way.
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"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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Hullo, ocp! I've just been trying to get azureus set up on my mac so I can download Recobbled, but I just can't get it to work. So, are you taking orders for burned DVDs or anything? And if so, how much will they cost? I could really use a copy of this masterpiece for my film class; we're studying the Disney monopoly right now, and not even my professor had seen Thief before! I'm set to do a presentation soon, and the Youtube videos just aren't going to cut it.

Thanks for your great work!

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You can contact me at tygerbug (at) yahoo.com.
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I replaced that awful 2005 DVD cover on the wikipedia page with the one from a few posts back (it was cut off on the right so I fixed that as best I could). It's a bit of an odd poster, and is rather asymmetrical, but it's a lot better than having that ugly DVD artwork represent the film... I also uploaded Ogg's PNG file.

One idea for that DVD cover from Iceland is, instead of the Cannes artwork, to have JUST the beautiful Thief logo (with the thief coming out of the O, like the one that Ogg posted) on the front cover, centralized. I can see that working very well - it would look a bit like the front of the Lord of the Rings special edition DVDs, except more ornate.

Of course, instead of the thief on the back cover you would then need to have something else there - maybe ZigZag with the cards from the Cannes poster, or One-Eye.
For the latest "Thief and the Cobbler" news, go HERE (and go to the last page)
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I guess I'm the only one that likes the Cannes artwork.

It was done by the original artists and shows the main characters positioned logically with regards to their relationships with one another.

That's good enough for me.
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No, I like the Cannes artwork too. I just think that my somewhat minimalist idea of having just the original Thief logo centred might look even better (or maybe not - it's just a thought).
For the latest "Thief and the Cobbler" news, go HERE (and go to the last page)
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I like the Cannes artwork a lot, if a hi-res version of that was posted (with corrections), I'd immediately run down to Kinkos and print it up so I can have it on my shelf.

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I'm the one who doesn't like the Cannes artwork.

It's very, very off model, on every character. Some of the characters didn't have final designs yet at that point (Tack, Phido, Yumyum) but for the others, no excuse.


For those who like it, I posted a high-high-very-very-high-indeed resolution version just a few posts back.
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Unless I missed something, I don't see a link in the post with the cover previews...

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You missed something, so watch me not repeat myself.
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No, actually, I didn't miss anything. I scoured that last post by opening it up in a quote reply and the only things that link to anything are the previews and your Grandpa video. I even checked all the other posts on that page. Nothing. So please, repeat yourself, even though you actually aren't.

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I really don't know anything about this movie, but I think it might be neat to include selectable audio from all three released versions, synced to fit your "recobbled" version. Maybe. Is there a complete detailed comparison of every single change to every single version of this movie around anywhere? I didn't search all 75 or so pages of this thread, but I did go through the first few.