Originally posted by:Jumpman

But back to Anakin, his idea that the Jedi are greedy and evil has more to do with the fact that it's the Dark Side dominating him for than having two versions of Episode III. His dialogue means squat because he's obviously out of control and dominated by the Dark Side of the Force. Hell, Anakin and Obi-Wan's dialogue while lava surfing was part of reshoots where he refilmed Anakin's turn...

zombie is partly right that Lucas had two different versions but he makes it work with the idea of the Dark Side dominating Anakin's actions and words. That's the reason he lost that fight with Obi-Wan. It had nothing to do with Obi-Wan being better.

But Jumpman, for whatever we both think of the turn, it makes perfect sense now why the dialogue from Anakin about the jedi comes so out of left field in the film, and why killing the younglings as his first act just seems weird and unconvincing 5 minutes after he says, "What have I done."

I couldn't put a handle on it, but Zombie really made so much sense, I am starting to realize why I have a problem with ROTS and the whole way the turn was handled, it is not only a reshoot, but a reshoot with a different context for the reason why Anakin turned.

Jumpman, I understand what you're saying about the darkside dominating him later in the movie, but it just comes off as forced, because it doesn't dominate him at the inital turn, and those scenes now to me originally have two different contexts.

If Anakin turned in the original version, more for power, more for wanting to get back at the jedi for screwing him over, and then started spewing about his empire, and he always knew the jedi were plotting to take over, you would atleast understand he was feeling the darkside in him because it was there from the initial supposed first turn scene.

The problem is 'what have i done,' it just doesn't jive with the idea that the darkside is eating him up, because that always told me he knew what was going on and he was following Palpatine not cause he was indebted to him, which would be the first version Zombie says, but only following him cause he has this trick to save Padme. So I keep saying to myself through the movie, he doesn't really believe that the jedi were always plotting to kill Palpatine, or he wouldn't have said, "what have I done,' he would have killed Mace on the spot, and pledged his allegiance to Palps right there.

Again Zombie, great post, I have finally been able to understand why the hell ROTS never worked for me when it comes to the whole turn scene.