Originally posted by: Rob
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Yes, but I don't see a problem with fan edits for this reason: There are high quality versions of the originals available. I'd have no problem with the SEs if I could have a properly restored and remastered OOT set. Only so many people see fan edits anyways. Lucas is trying to alter history for everyone. I'm not calling Lucas and asshole. I'm just saying that fan-edits are hardly different from what he has done.
Get over what? Three most popular and inflential films ever made being given shoddy treatment. No, I won't. Can I ask you something? Do you think that you could make a film for 7 grand that would become a blockbuster and tour the festival circut? I sure as hell couldn't. Rodiguez is the exception, not the rule. And El Maricahi is fun, but it's no masterpiece. A good movie? By that same token I shouldn't even be allowed to criticize a film until I've made my own, correct? You still haven't answered the crux of my question Why is it OK for Lucas to mess up other peoples' work and not me? If faneditors do desecrate someone's work, as you seem to think, then it doesn't matter, because I can watch the original. Lucas has not given anyone that option.
And I'm not making or buying fan edits.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Yes, but I don't see a problem with fan edits for this reason: There are high quality versions of the originals available. I'd have no problem with the SEs if I could have a properly restored and remastered OOT set. Only so many people see fan edits anyways. Lucas is trying to alter history for everyone. I'm not calling Lucas and asshole. I'm just saying that fan-edits are hardly different from what he has done.
Originally posted by: Rob
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Sebastian Shaw
. Star Wars, not Jaws.
Then if you're making/buying fan-edits you're pissing over all the work the hundreds of people put into it. And again, with the bad "transfer"... god, get over it.
And not having the money to make a movie is an excuse that doesn't hold water. Robert Rodriquez made a movie on film for 7 grand. He would've done it for next to nothing today with digital cameras and desktop editing progams that are standard on Macs now. Go make a movie, don't fuck up someone else's.
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.
Sebastian Shaw
. Star Wars, not Jaws. Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen.
Originally posted by: Mike O
King of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen. Really? Maybe I haven't seen those web sites. The ones I have seen appear to operate under the speculation that Lucas is lying about not having any quality prints laying around.
I agree he probably could cobble something together and clean the ever living crap out of it to produce a nice anamorphic transfer, but I also see his point about not wanting to bother with that considering how much time and effort he has put into getting away from the pre-se versions.
And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.
If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.
And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen. Really? Maybe I haven't seen those web sites. The ones I have seen appear to operate under the speculation that Lucas is lying about not having any quality prints laying around.
I agree he probably could cobble something together and clean the ever living crap out of it to produce a nice anamorphic transfer, but I also see his point about not wanting to bother with that considering how much time and effort he has put into getting away from the pre-se versions.
And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Rob
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Rob
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.
If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.
And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
King of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.
There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen.
Then if you're making/buying fan-edits you're pissing over all the work the hundreds of people put into it. And again, with the bad "transfer"... god, get over it.
And not having the money to make a movie is an excuse that doesn't hold water. Robert Rodriquez made a movie on film for 7 grand. He would've done it for next to nothing today with digital cameras and desktop editing progams that are standard on Macs now. Go make a movie, don't fuck up someone else's.
Get over what? Three most popular and inflential films ever made being given shoddy treatment. No, I won't. Can I ask you something? Do you think that you could make a film for 7 grand that would become a blockbuster and tour the festival circut? I sure as hell couldn't. Rodiguez is the exception, not the rule. And El Maricahi is fun, but it's no masterpiece. A good movie? By that same token I shouldn't even be allowed to criticize a film until I've made my own, correct? You still haven't answered the crux of my question Why is it OK for Lucas to mess up other peoples' work and not me? If faneditors do desecrate someone's work, as you seem to think, then it doesn't matter, because I can watch the original. Lucas has not given anyone that option.
And I'm not making or buying fan edits.
It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
Or perhaps it is an attempt to have fun since only 10 people will ever actually see it. I fail to see the problem. Now if you want to use the fan edit to repace the filmmaker's vision, that is not OK. But there is nothing wrong with an alternate version.