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That filtered version looks interesting, although perhaps a little overboard with the filters. I might actually be interested in having something like that .... or just the scenes like Mos Eisley which need to be non special editionish, if that would mean getting them in a better codec.


Again, if people are doing things like this I'm sure someone could cut together something akin to my Classic Edition with it.
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Originally posted by: Laserschwert
[T]he Ben & Luke scene contains some SERIOUS deinterlacing-artifacts...


Could you post a sample shot? (With some arrows drawn on, if it's subtle?)


Unfortunately it's not subtle... especially in motion these artifacts are visible. I'm not sure if they result from the upscale to PAL, but I assume the NTSC-version contains theses as well, as they're to large to be caused by those few extra lines added:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1391/interl1yy6.gif
(Note the speeder details, and the rocks on the ground)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/261/interl2ic2.gif
(Flickering details and stair-steps on the lines)

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6804/interl3ke8.gif
(The same as above)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1184/interl4wf3.jpg
(Ugly stair-steps on the mountain silhouette)
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Originally posted by: Laserschwert
Unfortunately it's not subtle...


Ouch. You're not kidding. Thanks for doing an excellent job of documenting your findings!

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Originally posted by: Laserschwert

Sad thing is, that the Ben & Luke scene contains some SERIOUS deinterlacing-artifacts, and I assume it's not the only scene suffering from something like that.


The Stormtrooper who says... Look sir Droids... watch him as he appears on screen. Horrible deinterlacing artifacts.

I took a capture from the laserdiscs and was able to do manual deinterlacing (the cadence only changed three or four times) and was able to do it perfectely for all three movies. If I can (a bozo with a PC and avsynth) what's LFL's excuse?

These do look better than any laserdisc transfer I've seen, but then again they DO have a lot of deinterlacing errors. And frankly it wouldn't have killed Lucas to have someone resize these things for anamorphic DVD up front!

I'd almost preferred that they have left it alone (interlaced) and we could have recovered 24fps ourselves.

The FBI warning (focusing on non-monetary infringement) was a cute addition. Hugs and Kisses to George!

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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Originally posted by: Laserschwert
Unfortunately it's not subtle...


Ouch. You're not kidding. Thanks for doing an excellent job of documenting your findings!



Yeah, I think these were deinterlaced by throwing out the odd fields (or even) and then line doubling to restore a progressive image. Yucky results all over the place.

You knew these editions would be hobbled somehow. Damn... I thought we'd have at least something we could work with!


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The strange thing is, it doesn't occur in all shots... some look perfectly fine (as far as it can be called that).
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Originally posted by: Zottig
The FBI warning (focusing on non-monetary infringement) was a cute addition. Hugs and Kisses to George!


What did it say?
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In my in-expert opinion that looks like some cheesy 1993 edge enhancement and not deinterlacing artifacts.
ust my $.02 on it.

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: Doctor M
In my in-expert opinion that looks like some cheesy 1993 edge enhancement and not deinterlacing artifacts.
ust my $.02 on it.


No, those are definitely field-problems... by deinterlacing or by IVTCing.
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I refuse to believe they used line-doubling.
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I will second OCPMovie's statement:
a hybrid of anamorphized (and cleaned up) GOUT video with all useful scenes from 2004 (color corrected) would get us our closest to an ideal disc.
You keep the 2.0 mix, add a mono track or even steal OCPM's Classic Edition blended tack.

I'd do it for a RtW V2.0 project but sadly I am slightly color blind and can't do color correction. Anyone willing to tackle this?

Lucas even gave us everything we need to own to legally have this edit in the new release by making us buy both discs...

Dr. M

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I don't think anyone could recover the real colors from the '04 SE - they've been tweaked individually, it's not an overall thing. That would be like an SE SE.
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I'm not sure, but aren't most of the shots from the 97-SE the same as the 2004-SE, except for the color-corrections? I know some shots have been recomposed, but maybe using the chroma from the 97-SEs and layering the luma from the 2004-SEs on top of it migh work for most of the scenes. This way you get all the image detail from the "restored" transfer, minus the crappy colors.

By the way, here's the first filtered clip (and I still don't think that I've filtered too much... I don't see any detail being lost... the smearing was already present in the source):

http://rapidshare.de/files/33252179/sunset_laserschwert.m2v.html

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And here's the second one:
http://rapidshare.de/files/33256259/luke_ben_laserschwert.m2v.html
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I now stripped away all unusefull stuff from the dvds (VobBlanker) and before that just shrinked the menu!
Now im recoding the movie with a simple avisynth script!
But for me a very important thing would be to get the DVDMenu from the 2004 DVD for the GOUT Version(like OCP did), this none Motion thing look like made with TMPENC DVD Author!


LoadPlugin("DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")
dgdecode_mpeg2source("empire.d2v")
Lanczos4Resize(720,432,0,125,720,324)
Addborders(0,72,0,72)
Letterbox(8,8,8,8)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
Showframenumber(offset=10, x=10, y=576, font="arial", size=24)
#Framenumbers just for better Comperision


This is how it ended up looking(1.5bmp): http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/09152006/s8_726b85d6263c6b6.bmp
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5543/yodabg2.png
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Originally posted by: nix.nux
But for me a very important thing would be to get the DVDMenu from the 2004 DVD for the GOUT Version(like OCP did), this none Motion thing look like made with TMPENC DVD Author!


I did this as well for my own set, but it wasn't as easy, since I had other audio-tracks on it, as well as some bonus material. Therefore I had to retouch the menus in AfterEffects (clearing out the original menu items, replacing them with my own plus creating new sub-menus) and re-authored the whole thing in EncoreDVD. This way I kept all animated menus and their transitions intact.

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Alot of Commercial Software! I just have Adobe Premiere 1.5 Pro for the Rest I could use a Trial Version
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5543/yodabg2.png
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I'm not sure about the separate sources for luma and chroma idea - it sounds good, but they're different telecines/scans aren't they? Which would mean registration problems.

First clip looks pretty good, Laserschwert.
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Sadly though had they LEFT it interlaced it would have allowed us to DEinterlace it properly. As I said... look at the stromtrooper who says "look sir, Droids" as he appears on screen. He has three sets of eyes as he rises into frame.

There are little hidden treats like this throughout the GOUT. VERY frustrating!!


Now the X0 is the only hope for a properly handled DVD.


Ben
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Chroma/Luma merging. I did try this myself (and failed) with the 2004 and 2006 DVDs. Figured to correct the '04 colors with the new disc.
If you were to resize/crop/shift appropriately you could come pretty close to aligning the frames.
You'd probably need a mac or some higher end PC software than I have (I was using avisynth).

Heck OCPMovie did something similar to align the 2004 DVD with a laser capture, a chroma/luma merge should be easier (and more forgiving).

Dr. M

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Just tried overlaying the binary sunset scene from '04 and '06, and it won't work. The laserdisc-transfer is all distorted, so that a simple resizing and cropping wouldn't help. So I's call it impossible... maybe the 97-SE works better, but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by: Zottig
Now the X0 is the only hope for a properly handled DVD.


Warren: No, there is another.

Andrew: Really?

Warren: No, I was just going with it. It's our last hope.
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Originally posted by: nix.nux
But for me a very important thing would be to get the DVDMenu from the 2004 DVD for the GOUT Version(like OCP did), this none Motion thing look like made with TMPENC DVD Author!
Serious? I prefer the menus on the OUT discs... each to their own I guess.

*cough* get *cough* bmp2png *cough*
Some were not blessed with brains.
<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!
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So did anyone other than dark_jedi and nix.nux make them yet? How'd they turn out?
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I did them.
My Star Wars, and Empire are excellent, but I keep getting this error on Jedi when Luke kills the Rancor. I have burned all three on DL before I noticed the error on Jedi, pissed me off. The results look great upconverted throught my HDA1. Well, I do like the film grain maybe thats why. Ill post some screens when I have more time.
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Originally posted by: Krycek87
I did them.
My Star Wars, and Empire are excellent, but I keep getting this error on Jedi when Luke kills the Rancor. I have burned all three on DL before I noticed the error on Jedi, pissed me off. The results look great upconverted throught my HDA1. Well, I do like the film grain maybe thats why. Ill post some screens when I have more time.

I am looking forward to the screen shots. Thanks!