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As I sat watching the shimmery pixels of the twin suns setting on Tattooine yesterday, I bemusedly asked myself when was the last DVD I purchased that looked this bad? Had I? I went home to see. Yes I had. Kurosawa's 'Ran'. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that this early edition was mastered using the same late 80's early 90's technology as the GOUT. What is the correlation between expensive soap and earplugs? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What is the connection between 'Ran' and 'Star Wars'? Read on... George Lucas and F.F. Coppola helped Kurosawa get 'Ran' made. 'Ran' has since been given the ultra slick Criterion Collection two-disc all night spa treatment, with wet and wild super happy fun finish. While at the same time, Lucas is giving us this shut up and take it, prison shower style, dry handed reach around, with sphincter tearing anal invasion at no extra cost. The significance?? I DON'T KNOW!!! I just thought I'd mention it.

Lucas has sort of become like Bush. Shut up in his ivory tower, to high above us all to stoop to answering our pathetic little questions. "Let them eat laser disc masters..." he says through a mouthfull of turkey leg, while waving his ring laden hand at his servants. I guess like the war in Iraq, this is so infuriating because it could very easily have been avoided. What a waste of plastic this DVD is. Long after the human race is gone, this DVD will still be around, along with pop bottles, milk jugs, cockroaches, and Keith Richards. I hope that someday, someone will find a good use for it. Here are my suggestions, Mad Max/Waterworld mutant man... Plane signaler, coaster for your glass of filtered pee, break them into tiny bits for fishing lures, sharpen the edges and use like a ninja star, makeshift rearview mirror for your V-8 interceptor........



“We like to think that we are very particular, because we’ve done about a hundred movies now, and we strive to make our output pristine. So to work with a guy like Lucas is fabulous because he’s got his head in the same place, pristine.”
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I like this post.
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That little green guy looks like a, uh, 'friend' of mine after a big fatty of white widow. Sell the car, sell the house, sell the kids, I'm never coming home. With this DVD, the world has taken a turn for the surreal.
“We like to think that we are very particular, because we’ve done about a hundred movies now, and we strive to make our output pristine. So to work with a guy like Lucas is fabulous because he’s got his head in the same place, pristine.”
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Best to keep politics out of your analogies. Personally, I can think of several other politicians to whom you could refer that would make your comparison much more accurate.
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Please dont tell me what is 'best' left out of my posts. And you are contradicting yourself. 'Dont use political analogies, but I could have thought of better ones'
“We like to think that we are very particular, because we’ve done about a hundred movies now, and we strive to make our output pristine. So to work with a guy like Lucas is fabulous because he’s got his head in the same place, pristine.”
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Only referring to when you post on forums (such as here) where there are individuals with a variety of differing political viewpoints. Simply makes for a friendlier atmosphere.

Contradicting myself? Not all at. I suggested it is best not to use political analogies, and while I commented that I could come up with an alternative, I did not.

Nor will I.

Cheers…
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Originally posted by: Obiwampa
As I sat watching the shimmery pixels of the twin suns setting on Tattooine yesterday, I bemusedly asked myself when was the last DVD I purchased that looked this bad? Had I? I went home to see. Yes I had. Kurosawa's 'Ran'. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that this early edition was mastered using the same late 80's early 90's technology as the GOUT. What is the correlation between expensive soap and earplugs? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What is the connection between 'Ran' and 'Star Wars'? Read on... George Lucas and F.F. Coppola helped Kurosawa get 'Ran' made. 'Ran' has since been given the ultra slick Criterion Collection two-disc all night spa treatment, with wet and wild super happy fun finish. While at the same time, Lucas is giving us this shut up and take it, prison shower style, dry handed reach around, with sphincter tearing anal invasion at no extra cost. The significance?? I DON'T KNOW!!! I just thought I'd mention it.

Lucas has sort of become like Bush. Shut up in his ivory tower, to high above us all to stoop to answering our pathetic little questions. "Let them eat laser disc masters..." he says through a mouthfull of turkey leg, while waving his ring laden hand at his servants. I guess like the war in Iraq, this is so infuriating because it could very easily have been avoided. What a waste of plastic this DVD is. Long after the human race is gone, this DVD will still be around, along with pop bottles, milk jugs, cockroaches, and Keith Richards. I hope that someday, someone will find a good use for it. Here are my suggestions, Mad Max/Waterworld mutant man... Plane signaler, coaster for your glass of filtered pee, break them into tiny bits for fishing lures, sharpen the edges and use like a ninja star, makeshift rearview mirror for your V-8 interceptor........


The war on terror could have been avoided if Clinton had taken Asama Bin Ladan into custody the five different times he had the chance to do so. His lame excuse for not doing so was that he didn't know whether he had the legal rights. What a load of bull. Bin Ladan is a terrorist who has know American rights and nothing concerning legal rights should ever have been brought into the matter. They should have strapped the sick bastard that Bin Ladden is, to a bomb and launched his ass to hell. I lost a cousin in the Pentagon plane crash and have seen a full video of a terrorist beheading of an American citizen (not the edited butchered versions on the news). Having experienced and seen the wrath of these terrorist, I think we should fight and keep fighting until the very last one of them is dead.


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I found the O.P. clever, but the standards around here for acceptable appearance of a frelling 30-year-old film are astoundingly outrageous.

Yes, the O.T. should have been treated better. Lots of films deserve restoration that don't get it. The older the film, the more I can accept less than visual perfection. Perhaps when watching these DVDs, it's more conducive to your film enjoyment to focus less on what didn't happen (yet), and more on the age of the films (ancient) and their relative visual quality to every previous home release (improved).


But my admiration for the poetry of the O.P. remains.





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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Originally posted by: Obiwampa
As I sat watching the shimmery pixels of the twin suns setting on Tattooine yesterday, I bemusedly asked myself when was the last DVD I purchased that looked this bad? Had I? I went home to see. Yes I had. Kurosawa's 'Ran'. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that this early edition was mastered using the same late 80's early 90's technology as the GOUT. What is the correlation between expensive soap and earplugs? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What is the connection between 'Ran' and 'Star Wars'? Read on... George Lucas and F.F. Coppola helped Kurosawa get 'Ran' made. 'Ran' has since been given the ultra slick Criterion Collection two-disc all night spa treatment, with wet and wild super happy fun finish. While at the same time, Lucas is giving us this shut up and take it, prison shower style, dry handed reach around, with sphincter tearing anal invasion at no extra cost. The significance?? I DON'T KNOW!!! I just thought I'd mention it.

Lucas has sort of become like Bush. Shut up in his ivory tower, to high above us all to stoop to answering our pathetic little questions. "Let them eat laser disc masters..." he says through a mouthfull of turkey leg, while waving his ring laden hand at his servants. I guess like the war in Iraq, this is so infuriating because it could very easily have been avoided. What a waste of plastic this DVD is. Long after the human race is gone, this DVD will still be around, along with pop bottles, milk jugs, cockroaches, and Keith Richards. I hope that someday, someone will find a good use for it. Here are my suggestions, Mad Max/Waterworld mutant man... Plane signaler, coaster for your glass of filtered pee, break them into tiny bits for fishing lures, sharpen the edges and use like a ninja star, makeshift rearview mirror for your V-8 interceptor........


The war on terror could have been avoided if Clinton had taken Asama Bin Ladan into custody the five different times he had the chance to do so. His lame excuse for not doing so was that he didn't know whether he had the legal rights. What a load of bull. Bin Ladan is a terrorist who has know American rights and nothing concerning legal rights should ever have been brought into the matter. They should have strapped the sick bastard that Bin Ladden is, to a bomb and launched his ass to hell. I lost a cousin in the Pentagon plane crash and have seen a full video of a terrorist beheading of an American citizen (not the edited butchered versions on the news). Having experienced and seen the wrath of these terrorist, I think we should fight and keep fighting until the very last one of them is dead.


Psssst, the Path to 9/11 was made up bullshit by cowardly right wingers, Clinton never got the chance to catch Bin Laden even though he spent more money on counter-terrorism operations than any other President in history. The Chimperor on the other hand ignored a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." and sat his ass down reading a book to kids while the towers fell. Also, you remind me of a character in Star Wars: "Wipe them out. All of them." It wasn't the good guys who believed in genocide.
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This is turning into a stupid political discussion. Many people will see this thread, feel the need to respond, and the argument will escalate.

For all of your viewing pleasure, I created a "Politics" thread in the off-topic forum some months ago. Why don't you use that....
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The intent of my original post still stands. There are some people on this earth who seem to think that they are simply above reproach. Lucas is one of them. Bush is another one of them. Plain and simple. I'm sorry that you had to loose a cousin in the pentagon attack. But please don't confuse Iraq with the war on terror. It only became a war against terrorism AFTER we got there, not before. As for blaming Clinton for this mess, ummm, what exactly was Bush doing in the many months he had in office before 9/11? Biding his time? Toying with Bin Laden? When exactly was Bush going to spring his trap and nab the evil-doer the Demon-crat Clinton had allowed to slip free?
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Originally posted by: Lovable Rogue
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Originally posted by: Obiwampa
As I sat watching the shimmery pixels of the twin suns setting on Tattooine yesterday, I bemusedly asked myself when was the last DVD I purchased that looked this bad? Had I? I went home to see. Yes I had. Kurosawa's 'Ran'. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that this early edition was mastered using the same late 80's early 90's technology as the GOUT. What is the correlation between expensive soap and earplugs? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What is the connection between 'Ran' and 'Star Wars'? Read on... George Lucas and F.F. Coppola helped Kurosawa get 'Ran' made. 'Ran' has since been given the ultra slick Criterion Collection two-disc all night spa treatment, with wet and wild super happy fun finish. While at the same time, Lucas is giving us this shut up and take it, prison shower style, dry handed reach around, with sphincter tearing anal invasion at no extra cost. The significance?? I DON'T KNOW!!! I just thought I'd mention it.

Lucas has sort of become like Bush. Shut up in his ivory tower, to high above us all to stoop to answering our pathetic little questions. "Let them eat laser disc masters..." he says through a mouthfull of turkey leg, while waving his ring laden hand at his servants. I guess like the war in Iraq, this is so infuriating because it could very easily have been avoided. What a waste of plastic this DVD is. Long after the human race is gone, this DVD will still be around, along with pop bottles, milk jugs, cockroaches, and Keith Richards. I hope that someday, someone will find a good use for it. Here are my suggestions, Mad Max/Waterworld mutant man... Plane signaler, coaster for your glass of filtered pee, break them into tiny bits for fishing lures, sharpen the edges and use like a ninja star, makeshift rearview mirror for your V-8 interceptor........


The war on terror could have been avoided if Clinton had taken Asama Bin Ladan into custody the five different times he had the chance to do so. His lame excuse for not doing so was that he didn't know whether he had the legal rights. What a load of bull. Bin Ladan is a terrorist who has know American rights and nothing concerning legal rights should ever have been brought into the matter. They should have strapped the sick bastard that Bin Ladden is, to a bomb and launched his ass to hell. I lost a cousin in the Pentagon plane crash and have seen a full video of a terrorist beheading of an American citizen (not the edited butchered versions on the news). Having experienced and seen the wrath of these terrorist, I think we should fight and keep fighting until the very last one of them is dead.


Psssst, the Path of 9/11 was made up bullshit by cowardly right wingers, Clinton never got the chance to catch Bin Laden even though he spent more money on counter-terrorism operations than any other President in history. The Chimperor on the other hand ignored a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." and sat his ass down reading a book to kids while the towers fell. Also, you remind me of a character in Star Wars: "Wipe them out. All of them." It wasn't the good guys who believed in genocide.


Dude, you're not serious. It's well known that bin Laden was practically handed to Clinton many times, only to have either himself or the Secretary of State be unwilling to make a decision about capturing or killing him. Yeah, Bush screwed up too, but it seems that Clinton screwed up a whole lot more on this one.
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See my post above^


Yes, if only someone had tossed a bannana peel in front of Hitler while he strolled down the promenade one afternoon, that whole Holocaust thing could have been avoided. If only. I love how nothing has EVER been little George W.'s fault! NOTHING!!
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OK, WTF?? Take the Political talk to the gulag where it belongs. If it remains here, please start using analogies - and refer to Bush as the "Emperor," and you can make up other Star Wars counterparts for Clinton, Monica, bin Laden, Cheney, Hillary, Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, Scooter, Rove and whomever else you want to talk about in relation to Not-Star-Wars.
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Things that were Clinton's fault:


(Allegedly) Not nabbing Bin Laden BEFORE he committed the greatest, (meaning worst), act of terrorism in history.


Things that were Bush's fault:


Letting Bin Laden escape our grasp in Afganistan

Diverting our focus and invading a totally non-related country

Either lying or being criminally mis-informed about the motives for invading said country

Risking young American lives to do so

Rushing troops into said country without proper body armor or training

Ignoring the Geneva convention, creating the atmosphere for horrors like Abu-Ghraib

NEVER apologizing for afformentioned debacle, creating even more willing terrorists

Ect.

Ect.

Ect.



To continue in this fashion would be tedious and un-necessary. (I havent even covered his treatment of the environment or his willingness to mix religion with politics.)
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By the way, Star Wars was cool at one time.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: Lovable Rogue
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Originally posted by: Obiwampa
As I sat watching the shimmery pixels of the twin suns setting on Tattooine yesterday, I bemusedly asked myself when was the last DVD I purchased that looked this bad? Had I? I went home to see. Yes I had. Kurosawa's 'Ran'. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that this early edition was mastered using the same late 80's early 90's technology as the GOUT. What is the correlation between expensive soap and earplugs? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What is the connection between 'Ran' and 'Star Wars'? Read on... George Lucas and F.F. Coppola helped Kurosawa get 'Ran' made. 'Ran' has since been given the ultra slick Criterion Collection two-disc all night spa treatment, with wet and wild super happy fun finish. While at the same time, Lucas is giving us this shut up and take it, prison shower style, dry handed reach around, with sphincter tearing anal invasion at no extra cost. The significance?? I DON'T KNOW!!! I just thought I'd mention it.

Lucas has sort of become like Bush. Shut up in his ivory tower, to high above us all to stoop to answering our pathetic little questions. "Let them eat laser disc masters..." he says through a mouthfull of turkey leg, while waving his ring laden hand at his servants. I guess like the war in Iraq, this is so infuriating because it could very easily have been avoided. What a waste of plastic this DVD is. Long after the human race is gone, this DVD will still be around, along with pop bottles, milk jugs, cockroaches, and Keith Richards. I hope that someday, someone will find a good use for it. Here are my suggestions, Mad Max/Waterworld mutant man... Plane signaler, coaster for your glass of filtered pee, break them into tiny bits for fishing lures, sharpen the edges and use like a ninja star, makeshift rearview mirror for your V-8 interceptor........


The war on terror could have been avoided if Clinton had taken Asama Bin Ladan into custody the five different times he had the chance to do so. His lame excuse for not doing so was that he didn't know whether he had the legal rights. What a load of bull. Bin Ladan is a terrorist who has know American rights and nothing concerning legal rights should ever have been brought into the matter. They should have strapped the sick bastard that Bin Ladden is, to a bomb and launched his ass to hell. I lost a cousin in the Pentagon plane crash and have seen a full video of a terrorist beheading of an American citizen (not the edited butchered versions on the news). Having experienced and seen the wrath of these terrorist, I think we should fight and keep fighting until the very last one of them is dead.


Psssst, the Path of 9/11 was made up bullshit by cowardly right wingers, Clinton never got the chance to catch Bin Laden even though he spent more money on counter-terrorism operations than any other President in history. The Chimperor on the other hand ignored a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." and sat his ass down reading a book to kids while the towers fell. Also, you remind me of a character in Star Wars: "Wipe them out. All of them." It wasn't the good guys who believed in genocide.


Dude, you're not serious. It's well known that bin Laden was practically handed to Clinton many times, only to have either himself or the Secretary of State be unwilling to make a decision about capturing or killing him. Yeah, Bush screwed up too, but it seems that Clinton screwed up a whole lot more on this one.


Dude, I'm very serious. You've bought into the well known lies of the right wing revisionists. The truth is in fact the opposite:

The two great myths that have settled across the nation, beyond the Hussein-9/11 connection, are that Clinton did not do enough during his tenure to stop the spread of radical terrorist organizations like al Qaeda, and that the attacks themselves could not have been anticipated or stopped. Blumenthal's insider perspective on these matters bursts the myths entirely, and reveals a level of complicity regarding the attacks within the journalistic realm and the conservative political ranks that is infuriating and disturbing.

Starting in 1995, Clinton took actions against terrorism that were unprecedented in American history. He poured billions and billions of dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community. He poured billions more into the protection of critical infrastructure. He ordered massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack. He order a reorganization of the intelligence community itself, ramming through reforms and new procedures to address the demonstrable threat. Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings" were held three times a week to assess looming conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in virtually every important speech he gave in the last three years of his tenure. In 1996, Clinton delivered a major address to the United Nations on the matter of international terrorism, calling it "The enemy of our generation."

Behind the scenes, he leaned vigorously on the leaders of nations within the terrorist sphere. In particular, he pushed Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to assist him in dealing with the threat from neighboring Afghanistan and its favorite guest, Osama bin Laden. Before Sharif could be compelled to act, he was thrown out of office by his own army. His replacement, Pervez Musharraf, pointedly refused to do anything to assist Clinton in dealing with these threats. Despite these and other diplomatic setbacks, terrorist cell after terrorist cell were destroyed across the world, and bomb plots against American embassies were thwarted. Because of security concerns, these victories were never revealed to the American people until very recently.

In America, few people heard anything about this. Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed by terrorism, and the massive non-secret actions taken to thwart it, went completely unreported by the media, which was far more concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The TV networks actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag The Dog" to accentuate the idea that everything the administration was doing was contrived fakery.

The rest of the article is here: http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/101303A.shtml

This is what Counter Terrorism Tsar Richard Clarke has to say on the response to terrorist threats:

Clarke said senior managers would respond by going back to their agencies to demand a search for any overlooked information and to put rank-and-file personnel on high alert, as happened when an al-Qaeda plot to bomb Millennium celebrations was thwarted in 1999.

“In December 1999, we received intelligence reports that there were going to be major al-Qaeda attacks,” Clarke said on CNN’s “Larry King Live” two years ago. “President Clinton asked his national security adviser Sandy Berger to hold daily meetings with the attorney general, the FBI director, the CIA director and stop the attacks.

“Every day they went back from the White House to the FBI, to the Justice Department, to the CIA and they shook the trees to find out if there was any information. You know, when you know the United States is going to be attacked, the top people in the United States government ought to be working hands-on to prevent it and working together.

”Now, contrast that with what happened in the summer of 2001, when we even had more clear indications that there was going to be an attack. Did the President ask for daily meetings of his team to try to stop the attack? Did (national security adviser) Condi Rice hold meetings of her counterparts to try to stop the attack? No.”

Link to this article here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/032306.html

Also read this CNN news story where the GOP Congress blocked Clinton's push for anti-terror legislation: http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

The truth speaks for itself.
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Originally posted by: Obiwampa
By the way, Star Wars was cool at one time.
Hey, it still is! It's Lucasfilm, ILM, Skywalker Sound and THX that have ceased to be cool.

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I couldn't agree with the above statement more.

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Can someone lock this thread?
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Agwa bah bhah?! What the hell happened to this thread? You know that Quote button we have to help reference posts? Stop using it! There is absolutely no need to have a post that is about 5 stories long! And could we please stop the political babble? Right wing conspiracy this! Bill Clinton that! Banana peel bullcrap! SHUT UP!!! I don't mind a thread developing a mind of its own and getting off its original topic, but this is just getting stupid.

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Originally posted by: Obiwampa

Things that were Bush's fault:

Letting Bin Laden escape our grasp in Afganistan

Rushing troops into said country without proper body armor or training

Ignoring the Geneva convention, creating the atmosphere for horrors like Abu-Ghraib


Jump up my butt. Our Army -- and I'll throw a bone to the Marines, the Squids, and the Zoomies -- is the best trained and equipped in the world. No one "let" bin Laden escape; he used a well-established military and paramilitary along with prepared positions and civilian allies to escape. Capturing people like him isn't like serving a warrant on your slovenly wife-beating father; if it were that easy, maybe your buddy Clinton would've done it instead of desultory standoff strikes.

With regards to body armor, you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want. There will always be another wonderful new Miracle Technology that we should've waited for besides executing a mission; that's the nature of technology, it's always advancing. If it weren't the IBA and the uparmored HMMWVs, it would've been the ACU, or the ACH, the XM8, the 6.8mm Remington, and on and on ... we could've been sitting here in 2008 arguing about how the last year in Iraq was a failure because the BBs weren't taken out of mothballs or the F-35s' avionics weren't debugged.

And if you do want to bitch and moan about armor, consider the wisdom of using infantry in a daytime urban raid without an armor cordon. I think there was a movie about that a few years back.

With regards to the Geneva Conventions, Law of War training takes place at all echelons, starting with Initial Entry Training. A few junior enlisted and NCOs decided to break those rules, and they've been punished. The only "horror" was the propaganda victory this handful of criminals handed to Baathist and Salafist terrorists. (And maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I'm not sure how to determine that someone is hors de combat if they were never legal combatants and commit violence against their jailers. I'm sure I could find it on paper if I looked hard enough.)

You know, I take that back. The multiple Al Qaeda attacks on Abu Ghraib that killed many prisoners were the real horrors there, clearly in violation of the Law of War. And the countless Iraqis killed by the Baathist government. But you don't see hundreds of J school grads waxing morose about that. White people sexually harassing brown people sells more papers than brown people killing brown people. They're expected to do it, I guess.

You are demonstrably wrong about a number of other things, including the criminal butchering of our language ("ect," indeed!), but questioning the competence of the Army earns you a lecture and derision. Repost whatever you want from Move On, Truth Out, Al Jazeera, Democrat Underground, I don't care ... but stand by for corrections.
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Anyone who thinks that Clinton is less to blame for the events of the past five years than Bush is, is smoking some seriously badass new breed of crack. Take the partisan politics out of it, the job of the President of the United States is to lead and protect America. Almost from the day Clinton took office, we came under attack by terrorists beginning with the WTC bombings in 1993. The attacks continued through Clinton's two terms in office, each one becoming more daring than the last and building up to what we saw on 9/11. In eight years, for all intents and purposes, Clinton did nothing to ensure the security of this nation. He was too busy chasing that chubby intern around the Oral Office to be worried about little things like national security. Maybe if he had paid as much attention to the terrorists abroad, AND HERE learning to fly but not land jumbo jets, as he did to Monica Lewinsky...just maybe the history of the last five years would be very different.

For eight years Bin Laden and his buddies were taking pot shots at us because the could get away with it virtually uncontested. Wow. Clinton lobbed a few cruise missiles into the mountains in response to repeated and deadly attacks against our country and its interests. Boy, that sure showed them didn't it?

Clinton did the only thing Americans care about... spoiled, selfish, ignorant pricks that most of us are...he made them money. And, hell, as long as the money keeps coming in, who the hell cares. The man lacked the balls as a supposed leader to make what may have been politically unpopular decisions that were in the absolute best interests of this country. His attitude was basically, leave it for the next guy to deal with. And that's Clinton's legacy, a spineless buck passer who not only allowed the greatest threat of our time to gather itself against us virtually unchecked throughout his watch...but he also de-fanged the largest and mightiest military power on earth, down-sizing and base-closing into oblivion because the U.S. no longer had a need for a military as large as it had, despite the growing terrorist threat of which he was well aware... so that we find ourselves stuck in the predicament we now find ourselves. Too many battles to fight and not enough men to fight them. Thanks Bill! Hell of a job!
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Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
Anyone who thinks that Clinton is less to blame for the events of the past five years than Bush is, is smoking some seriously badass new breed of crack. Take the partisan politics out of it, the job of the President of the United States is to lead and protect America. Almost from the day Clinton took office, we came under attack by terrorists beginning with the WTC bombings in 1993. The attacks continued through Clinton's two terms in office, each one becoming more daring than the last and building up to what we saw on 9/11. In eight years, for all intents and purposes, Clinton did nothing to ensure the security of this nation. He was too busy chasing that chubby intern around the Oral Office to be worried about little things like national security. Maybe if he had paid as much attention to the terrorists abroad, AND HERE learning to fly but not land jumbo jets, as he did to Monica Lewinsky...just maybe the history of the last five years would be very different.

For eight years Bin Laden and his buddies were taking pot shots at us because the could get away with it virtually uncontested. Wow. Clinton lobbed a few cruise missiles into the mountains in response to repeated and deadly attacks against our country and its interests. Boy, that sure showed them didn't it?

Clinton did the only thing Americans care about... spoiled, selfish, ignorant pricks that most of us are...he made them money. And, hell, as long as the money keeps coming in, who the hell cares. The man lacked the balls as a supposed leader to make what may have been politically unpopular decisions that were in the absolute best interests of this country. His attitude was basically, leave it for the next guy to deal with. And that's Clinton's legacy, a spineless buck passer who not only allowed the greatest threat of our time to gather itself against us virtually unchecked throughout his watch...but he also de-fanged the largest and mightiest military power on earth, down-sizing and base-closing into oblivion because the U.S. no longer had a need for a military as large as it had, despite the growing terrorist threat of which he was well aware... so that we find ourselves stuck in the predicament we now find ourselves. Too many battles to fight and not enough men to fight them. Thanks Bill! Hell of a job!


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