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Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
I love how he cuts his beard to give the illusion that he actually has a jawline.

He is fooling no one.


LOL! That was great, Stinky!
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I think it's cute.



It sure is.

You didn’t make his sig, though Go-Mer… he likes me more.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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Okay. I read everything Go-Mer said in the Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing thread. I didn't have a problem with any of that either. Make no mistake, I think the prequels and SE suck. But I don't have anything against people who like them, especially if they have nothing against me and even go out of their way to find points of agreement with the tone of this forum generally.
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"You're just fixated with me! Wow. It's quite flattering. Thanks! "

Just as you are fixated with these boards? I guess OT.COM should be flattered too?

LOL, now JediRandy is PMing me about how I can't stand him. I love it when a troll makes it exceptionally clear why he posts in these forums.

Of course, the utter lack of substance in his posts doesn't help, either. It boggles me how someone can desire such a vacuous existence in a place where he's not wanted......

......oh, wait..... he was banned from TF.n too. Imagine that. Lord knows why we are made to put up with such garbage.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: SKot
Hey! I just thought of something.

I like Star Wars.

--SKot


You Luca$ loving $!@#$!@#$!@#$# get out of here and go back to TFN with all the other mindless sheep!


The difference here, Randy, is that when people bitch about something in the PT or complain about a change in the OT, they aren't told "Shut up and accept it. It's part of Lucas' grand vision. It's the way it's suppose to be. If you don't like it, go away". We're not constantly praising or complaining about every little thing and even the people that are doing that aren't told to "shut up and go away".

I use to read some of the forums on TFN. Any dissenting at all was met with harsh criticisms of how you can possibly be against anything the "almighty Lucas" has decided to "bestow upon us lowly individuals". I'm sure most of the TFNers are more than grateful for the substandard DVD release, assuming they even want it. I'd bet most of them don't care for it at all since it's not remastered so "it looks like crap". "It's his movie. He can do whatever he wants to it and we should be grateful that we're getting anything". And they just keep on slurping it up.

BTW, I like Star Wars too. The OOT. Not the PT. Not the GOUT.
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Originally posted by: THX
Okay. I read everything Go-Mer said in the Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing thread. I didn't have a problem with any of that either. Make no mistake, I think the prequels and SE suck. But I don't have anything against people who like them, especially if they have nothing against me and even go out of their way to find points of agreement with the tone of this forum generally.


I dont have a problem with anyone, either. (except maybe MeBe, cuz he keeps viciously attacking me) I mean, c'mon. Its a message board, nobody really "knows" each other. I just think its more fun to go back and forth a bit. Seriously, how much non-anamorphic complaining can you do?
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: SKot
Hey! I just thought of something.

I like Star Wars.

--SKot


You Luca$ loving $!@#$!@#$!@#$# get out of here and go back to TFN with all the other mindless sheep!


The difference here, Randy, is that when people bitch about something in the PT or complain about a change in the OT, they aren't told "Shut up and accept it. It's part of Lucas' grand vision. It's the way it's suppose to be. If you don't like it, go away". We're not constantly praising or complaining about every little thing and even the people that are doing that aren't told to "shut up and go away".

I use to read some of the forums on TFN. Any dissenting at all was met with harsh criticisms of how you can possibly be against anything the "almighty Lucas" has decided to "bestow upon us lowly individuals". I'm sure most of the TFNers are more than grateful for the substandard DVD release, assuming they even want it. I'd bet most of them don't care for it at all since it's not remastered so "it looks like crap". "It's his movie. He can do whatever he wants to it and we should be grateful that we're getting anything". And they just keep on slurping it up.

BTW, I like Star Wars too. The OOT. Not the PT. Not the GOUT.


I think we all can agree that TFN is just an insane forum run by power hungry Mods.

I guess you'd classify me as a "gushers" but I've been banned over there for like a year, so it's anyone's guess as to what will tick a TFN mod off. This place is much more fun, IMO.

"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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"cuz he keeps viciously attacking me"

Boo-hoo. Shall we go through your post history, too? Such a memory...

"Seriously, how much non-anamorphic complaining can you do? "

Obviously not enough to keep you away. Maybe we should ratchet it up a bit?

"This place is much more fun, IMO."

Especially if you are a troll.

Hmmmm........both guys have been banned for a long time......and they're both gushers.......hmmmmmmmm.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
All I want to know is why some of you hate with such eagerness? Do you think hate is a good thing to revel in? What good will it do you in the end?


Your initial post made it sound like you believed the original trilogy was "crap." Then Stinky made a parody of a prequel-trilogy gusher. Those actions are not hate. The first is a misunderstanding and the second is a humorous post.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"cuz he keeps viciously attacking me"

Boo-hoo. Shall we go through your post history, too? Such a memory...


I'm sure you've got a list of my posts somewhere. And I PM'ed you to see if you could talk like a civilized person, what the hell was I thinking?

And again, every comment I make about you is tongue-in-cheek, don't flatter yourself.

"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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I guess you were thinking that that was civilized. Nice try.

"nobody really "knows" each other. I just think its more fun to go back and forth a bit."

People who make "fan edits" are disgruntled video store clerks with no balls.


Your idea of "back and forth" sucks, and you seem to "know" about people who make fan-edits. See how two-faced you are? (Just like Gomer, I might add.)

Your accusation is aimed directly at me, and I'm supposed to give a shit about your opinion - especially on a board that is rife with folks who make or enjoy such fan edits?

You are soooooo in the wrong fucking place, it's not even funny.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I guess you were thinking that that was civilized. Nice try.

"nobody really "knows" each other. I just think its more fun to go back and forth a bit."

People who make "fan edits" are disgruntled video store clerks with no balls.


Your idea of "back and forth" sucks, and you seem to "know" about people who make fan-edits. See how two-faced you are? (Just like Gomer, I might add.)

Your accusation is aimed directly at me, and I'm supposed to give a shit about your opinion - especially on a board that is rife with folks who make or enjoy such fan edits?

You are soooooo in the wrong fucking place, it's not even funny.


If you make fan-edits (or are a disgruntled video store clerk or lack balls) I had no idea and I'm being 100% honest.

Nevertheless my opinion of people who feel the need to "tinker" with other people's work just because they have access to a DVD burner remains the same.

And being that you archive all of my posts, I'll repaste this one, just in case you lost it.

It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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And yet you come to boards where you know this sort of thing goes on.

You are not here to contribute, therefore you are here to troll, therefore no respect for you.

Cry all you want about it, but you bring it all on yourself when you bring it to these forums.

It's like going to a leper colony to berate all the lepers. It boggles the mind to understand what sick satisfaction you get from coming here and reading the posts of people that you don't like, and then acting so abused when people respond to your negative posts.

GET A FUCKING CLUE!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
And yet you come to boards where you know this sort of thing goes on.

You are not here to contribute, therefore you are here to troll, therefore no respect for you.

Cry all you want about it, but you bring it all on yourself when you bring it to these forums.

It's like going to a leper colony to berate all the lepers. It boggles the mind to understand what sick satisfaction you get from coming here and reading the posts of people that you don't like, and then acting so abused when people respond to your negative posts.

GET A FUCKING CLUE!


Calm down there, Edit-Boy. You're going to blow a fuse.

And you use the word "boggle" in darn near every post. Take a break from editing Jar Jar Binks dialogue and edit "boggle" out of your vocabulary.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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More deflection - you just can't face the fact of how retarded your presence here is, or else the need of your ulterior motives overwhelms your embarrasment.

"Edit-boy", LOL. More proof. Must feel good to go around peeing in other people's cheerios, eh? Not much else in your life going on, right?

Or maybe you just can't find any boards that would want you, so you are stuck with posting at boards that want you the least? That must be it.

"And you use the word "boggle" in darn near every post. Take a break from editing Jar Jar Binks dialogue and edit "boggle" out of your vocabulary. "

Ironically, that word, and its continual use, was borrowed from your new-found boyfriend, Gomer. Make sure to give him the heads-up on its usage (after giving him head, of course.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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JediRandi,
MeBeJedi is right, why do you waste your time in a forum which has a mission statement and a purpose that you have no interest in? I don't go into your midget on horse porn forums and criticize your love for said porn, why would I? I also don't feel the need to criticize your collection of naked Lucas paintings, why would I waste my time?

HARMY RULES

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ROTFLMAO!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Rob
JediRandi,
MeBeJedi is right, why do you waste your time in a forum which has a mission statement and a purpose that you have no interest in? I don't go into your midget on horse porn forums and criticize your love for said porn, why would I? I also don't feel the need to criticize your collection of naked Lucas paintings, why would I waste my time?

Another knee-slapper.

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
More deflection - you just can't face the fact of how retarded your presence here is, or else the need of your ulterior motives overwhelms your embarrasment.

"Edit-boy", LOL. More proof. Must feel good to go around peeing in other people's cheerios, eh? Not much else in your life going on, right?

Or maybe you just can't find any boards that would want you, so you are stuck with posting at boards that want you the least? That must be it.

"And you use the word "boggle" in darn near every post. Take a break from editing Jar Jar Binks dialogue and edit "boggle" out of your vocabulary. "

Ironically, that word, and its continual use, was borrowed from your new-found boyfriend, Gomer. Make sure to give him the heads-up on its usage (after giving him head, of course.)


Sheesh, the racial slurs and off-color insults that result from me merely calling fan-edits crap, is startling.

I'm so excited to learn that you're a fan-"editor", MeBe..... I'd love to see some of your hatchet-work first hand.... I'm sure it's quite amazing.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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Wait a minute, there -are- Lucas nudes available?
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Sorry to hit below the belt dude, I know you don't want anyone bringing up those naked Lucas paintings. In the long run you'll appreciate it. You've got to come to grips with reality man; Lucas is a straight as an arrow heterosexual man, your man love will never be reciprocated. You've got to move on.


By the way, when the hell did MeBeJedi use "racial slurs"?

HARMY RULES

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Originally posted by: Rob
By the way, when the hell did MeBeJedi use "racial slurs"?


He said "Can a Wookie get a table dance?"



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Originally posted by: JediRandy

I'm so excited to learn that you're a fan-"editor", MeBe..... I'd love to see some of your hatchet-work first hand.... I'm sure it's quite amazing.


Just because MeBeJedi doesn't take people's money and charge for his releases doesn't mean he isn't a far superior editor to George Lucas.


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LOL

"Another knee-slapper."

More deflection...maybe the embarrassment is starting to get through now.

"from me merely calling fan-edits crap, is startling."

Merely ? My, how you try to sweep your true feelings under the carpet when it suits you. What's the matter - can't man up to your true feelings?

"I'm so excited to learn that you're a fan-"editor", MeBe..... I'd love to see some of your hatchet-work first hand.... I'm sure it's quite amazing."

Not as amazing as watching you waste all your valuable time on these boards. The extent to which you need to stay here and be an ass - what was it Stinky said, a "talking asshole" - is even more of a knee-slapper. LOL!

And I would love to have you see my work. You've certainly proven that you just can't get enough of looking at things that you can't stand, like the posts on these boards. It must make looking in the mirror that much easier.

" Wait a minute, there -are- Lucas nudes available? "

I'm sure nothing can beat your imagination, Gomer.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Rob
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.

Yes, but I don't see a problem with fan edits for this reason: There are high quality versions of the originals available. I'd have no problem with the SEs if I could have a properly restored and remastered OOT set. Only so many people see fan edits anyways. Lucas is trying to alter history for everyone. I'm not calling Lucas and asshole. I'm just saying that fan-edits are hardly different from what he has done.

Originally posted by: Rob
Exactly Mike O, if the faneditors are a-holes, Lucas is the ultimate a-hole. These "Gay for Lucas" types completely disregard the actors, technicians, etc, etc.,etc. If it is wrong for a fan to edit out a sound or garbage matte, it is downright inexcusable to remove Robert Shaw from the film. The "Gay for Lucas" crowd gives him a pass that they would give no other filmmaker.

Sebastian Shaw . Star Wars, not Jaws.

Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Originally posted by: Mike O
According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.

There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen. Really? Maybe I haven't seen those web sites. The ones I have seen appear to operate under the speculation that Lucas is lying about not having any quality prints laying around.

I agree he probably could cobble something together and clean the ever living crap out of it to produce a nice anamorphic transfer, but I also see his point about not wanting to bother with that considering how much time and effort he has put into getting away from the pre-se versions.

And the people who gave him millions of dollars to that he could even make the SEs? What about us? The fans? The ones who make the sequels, the prequels, the SEs, and everything else related to SW even possible? A restoration could be performed. Millions of people want it. There is a simple way to meet in the middle here. Release a proper restoration of the OOT. I'll buy it, and so will countless others. Then I have what I want, and Lucas can do whatever he wants to the SEs and the PT. (I don't hate them. Quite the contrary). Everybody's happy. Only Lucas won't do it. Robert A. Harris, the film restoration expert who restored Lawrence of Arabia and Vertigo, among others, volunteered, and Lucas wouldn't let him. Lucas just doesn't want to do this. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. I'm just stating a fact. And that, to my mind, after I've spent tons of money on his products, is insulting.

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Rob
Zing...Man you're quick. Why don't you and Go-Mer-Tonic go back to your home on a-hole island.


If I'm a dick for thinking that fanboys editing other people's work is revolting, then so be it.

And Go-mer, I see your point, but fan edits are the height of fanboy hubris... its no different than painting over someone else's canvas.

It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.


King of like what Lucas did to the work of Marquad, Kershner, Kurtz, and millions of craftsmen when he made the SEs, right before claiming that the originals "don't exist" and then releasing them with a substandard transfer? If he, a multibillion, can do it to the mainstream, what's wrong with fans sharing something with each other? I have the balls to make something of my own. Just not the money. I've never made or seen a fan edit, I'm just making a point.

According to Lucas, the original negatives of the O-OT were permanantley altered when he created the SE version, and all the prints they have left of the O-OT are in poor quality.


There are numeours places, on this website and others, which prove that that statement is false. Even if it is true, there are still ways that the OOT could be restored. Lucas just won't let it happen.


Then if you're making/buying fan-edits you're pissing over all the work the hundreds of people put into it. And again, with the bad "transfer"... god, get over it.

And not having the money to make a movie is an excuse that doesn't hold water. Robert Rodriquez made a movie on film for 7 grand. He would've done it for next to nothing today with digital cameras and desktop editing progams that are standard on Macs now. Go make a movie, don't fuck up someone else's.


Get over what? Three most popular and inflential films ever made being given shoddy treatment. No, I won't. Can I ask you something? Do you think that you could make a film for 7 grand that would become a blockbuster and tour the festival circut? I sure as hell couldn't. Rodiguez is the exception, not the rule. And El Maricahi is fun, but it's no masterpiece. A good movie? By that same token I shouldn't even be allowed to criticize a film until I've made my own, correct? You still haven't answered the crux of my question Why is it OK for Lucas to mess up other peoples' work and not me? If faneditors do desecrate someone's work, as you seem to think, then it doesn't matter, because I can watch the original. Lucas has not given anyone that option.

And I'm not making or buying fan edits.

It's a cowardly attempt by a wannabe filmmaker to squeeze a drop of creativity into their own unimaginative lives. All while distorting the work of someone who actually had the balls to make something of their own.


Or perhaps it is an attempt to have fun since only 10 people will ever actually see it. I fail to see the problem. Now if you want to use the fan edit to repace the filmmaker's vision, that is not OK. But there is nothing wrong with an alternate version.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death