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Moving on to a different question for adywan... will you be potentially fixing some of the dodgy audio bugs on the 5.1 mix with your edit? In particular I'm refering to:

- The unstableness during Tarkin's infamous "Would you prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system!" line.
- The score during the Death Star attack.

Also I remember seeing somewhere in this thread talk of a scene with the Emperor being added in. Look no further than to the A Digital Man/Darth Editous edit which features a scene after the credits between Vader and the Emperor spliced together using footage from ESB. It works great too.

Anyways looking very forward once again to your edit.
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Originally posted by: demomanTNA
Moving on to a different question for adywan... will you be potentially fixing some of the dodgy audio bugs on the 5.1 mix with your edit? In particular I'm refering to:

- The unstableness during Tarkin's infamous "Would you prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system!" line.
- The score during the Death Star attack.

Also I remember seeing somewhere in this thread talk of a scene with the Emperor being added in. Look no further than to the A Digital Man/Darth Editous edit which features a scene after the credits between Vader and the Emperor spliced together using footage from ESB. It works great too.

Anyways looking very forward once again to your edit.


I'm remixing the dialogue track to give a much more balanced EQ. I've already done that Tarkin scene and its now really hard to tell the difference between lines. Most of the music & effects is being redone from scratch so all that will be fixed.

For the new emperor scene i want to keep the scene in ESB so it will be a completely new scene, if i decide to do it that is. Its still in its earliest stages and might not make it to the final edit.

I've just finished re-editing the battle aboard the Tantive. The main reason for this was that the same rebels seemed to die more than once due to the same shots being used out of sequence but different angles. Its about 3 seconds or so shorter now but at least they die only once now. i have also fixed the flip shot at the end of the sequence (the last shot of the rebels before the droids walk across the corridor).Correcting this though it became obvious that it was a shot from the opening section but at least now their holsters are on the correct sides and the stormtroopers are now firing in the right direction (you'll notice that the stormtroopers are firing towards their left side of the corridor but the flip shot has the rebels on their right side).

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Originally posted by: adywan
For the new emperor scene i want to keep the scene in ESB so it will be a completely new scene, if i decide to do it that is. Its still in its earliest stages and might not make it to the final edit.


I would certainly say at least check out how the addition to the ADM/Editous version is if you haven't already. If anything it certainly makes Vader's obsession of wanting to find Luke more easier to understand with that bit added in. Of course we all now know that Vader is Luke's father but still.....
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Eh...that was the only problem I had with ADMs cut. The sequence is totally out of place dropped into ANH; from a technical POV, the film stock looks different, the film has a different colour pallette, it's a different costume, and a totaly different read from JEJs ANH performance (it's a weird, weird reading of that dialogue, and McDiarmid seems to be half asleep). On a story level, it's a bizzarre, languid sequence tacked onto the jubilant, upbeat, and anive finale of ANH, and it spoils Vader and the Executor's reveal for ESB.
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Adywan,

Nice job on the new opening sequence. Since you included the crawl and all that, I'm wondering if you changed something there.

The firefight between the blockade runner and star destroyer is a lot more impressive now. It's amazing how a few extra laser bolts can add so much.

I liked the first version of the Tantive IV explosion (although it did look a little like it was originally a circular explosion that you distorted). I loved the engine shutdown in the second version.

Having the Tantive IV lose stability for a second is an interesting idea, but something about your footage seems a little off. Maybe it's the perspective.

Personally, I think the best thing would be to have the explosion, camera shake, and engine shutdown, but no loss of stability. Remember, we see 3PO lose his balance slightly, not fall over.

And here's another idea I just had: When we see the Tantive IV being pulled into the star destroyer hangar bay, the camera is fixed on the Tantive IV. This has always bothered me, as it gives the impression that the Tantive IV is being still, while the star destroyer "parks" over it. Can you alter the shot so that the camera is fixed on the star destroyer as we see the Tantive IV moving into the bay?

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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That's bugged me for a while. Granted the effects were still in the primative stages, that shot looks too "locked down".
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I love the way you have enhanced the Tantive Explosion at the beginning. The explosions on there do look too layered and too 'far away' whereas the ship is up close to us. Did you add the lights flickering off? If so I would keep the shot the same but keep your amendments of the lights going out and the ship slightly losing control. Looks awesome.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Adywan,
Nice job on the new opening sequence. Since you included the crawl and all that, I'm wondering if you changed something there.
The timing of the sequence has been changed. The Star Wars logo now receeds at the correct speed and the crawl appears earlier, more alongside the music cue that the original pre ANH one did. I always remember the crawl appearing alongide the start of the theme and has always seemed off to me since it was changed.
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
And here's another idea I just had: When we see the Tantive IV being pulled into the star destroyer hangar bay, the camera is fixed on the Tantive IV. This has always bothered me, as it gives the impression that the Tantive IV is being still, while the star destroyer "parks" over it. Can you alter the shot so that the camera is fixed on the star destroyer as we see the Tantive IV moving into the bay?

Thats one thing thats always bugged me too. I'll see what i can do

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Heya,

Just a nobody here, but was wondering about one little gaffe that I never see mentioned...

Did you do anything about the car battery on Luke's landspeeder during the Mos Eisley jaunt? Ever since I noticed it a few years ago, I can't look anywhere else.
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Originally posted by: adywan

Thats one thing thats always bugged me too. I'll see what i can do


Thanks, Adywan.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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If you find the tractor beam as being too cheesy and totally un-star wars then dont use it, but otherwise, when luke gives that line his back is to the camera and since your re-editing the sound it would be all too easy to just drop that line.
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If you do any work on the Leia/hologram scene, could you make sure she uses the same take as in the garage as in Ben's house? The one in Ben's place sounds more desperate at the end. I don't think she had time to record 2 different messages.

And while we are on the subject, it might be interesting to hear Leia recite the message originally. When 3PO is looking for R2 in the back corridors of the Tantive IV, maybe you could have the tail end of Leia's plea in the background noise as she is recording it.

And a no vote on the hologram in the DS conference room. It would just look weird. And who would it be? And why would it be there. I wouldn't want to see it unless there was a point in the plot.
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I wouldn't touch the Leia hologram. I always thought that the lip synch problem was intentional on the part of Artoo. He's got a directive to find Obi-Wan and play this message for him alone. OK, Luke's randomly managed to turn the message on, so Artoo deliberately de-synchs the audio from the video in order to convince everyone that it really is a malfunction, old data, and that Luke really should pay it no mind. I think it's fine as is.
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And a no vote on the hologram in the DS conference room. It would just look weird. And who would it be? And why would it be there. I wouldn't want to see it unless there was a point in the plot.
Well, I *will* say this: If that change were to happen, I picked that particular guy on purpose. You only see him in that panning shot.
And the whole idea behind this was that I'm thinking PT. This scene makes me think of the Jedi council room scenes.
However I don't have a plot point for this idea.

If you do any work on the Leia/hologram scene, could you make sure she uses the same take as in the garage as in Ben's house? The one in Ben's place sounds more desperate at the end. I don't think she had time to record 2 different messages.

I agree.

I wouldn't touch the Leia hologram. I always thought that the lip synch problem was intentional on the part of Artoo.

Hmmm...I've never thought that. I always thought it was because of 77's technology.
However, if you were to go with that line of thinking, lets make Leia's voice sound all garbled up, ya know? Put some distortion on it...or something.

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Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated

I wouldn't touch the Leia hologram. I always thought that the lip synch problem was intentional on the part of Artoo.
Hmmm...I've never thought that. I always thought it was because of 77's technology.
However, if you were to go with that line of thinking, lets make Leia's voice sound all garbled up, ya know? Put some distortion on it...or something.

I like the idea of having the holograms audio have some king of distortion on it for that scene. I'll have a play with that when i get to doing the audio. I've fixed the shot of leia facing backwards.
Originally posted by: Sluggo
If you do any work on the Leia/hologram scene, could you make sure she uses the same take as in the garage as in Ben's house? The one in Ben's place sounds more desperate at the end. I don't think she had time to record 2 different messages.
And while we are on the subject, it might be interesting to hear Leia recite the message originally. When 3PO is looking for R2 in the back corridors of the Tantive IV, maybe you could have the tail end of Leia's plea in the background noise as she is recording it.
And a no vote on the hologram in the DS conference room. It would just look weird. And who would it be? And why would it be there. I wouldn't want to see it unless there was a point in the plot.

Yeh, should see no problem in using the same take and i'll see what i can do with adding the last few lines of her message when 3PO is looking for R2.
As regards to adding a hologram officer to the conference room scene, then i will be leaving that scene as it is. I would think that all officers would have been expected to attend the meeting and that attending via a hologram wouldn't have been tolerated.
SomethingStarWarsRelated, with regards to the new fixes you mentioned:
1. yes the sky does need fixing. That pink blur is really distracting especially because it moves with the camera.
2. I'm filtering berus voice so she sounds more like she is there and not in a recording studio, also resyncing the lines.
3. getting rid of that fly is easy, but did you also notice that the treadwell has suddenly swapped places from the shot previous? So another fix to do there.
4. the cantina. I posted a bit further up that i'm tweaking the aliens in the cantina. I'm adding blinks, eye movement and some mouth movements too.
Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
If you find the tractor beam as being too cheesy and totally un-star wars then dont use it, but otherwise, when luke gives that line his back is to the camera and since your re-editing the sound it would be all too easy to just drop that line.

Where did i say that a tractor beam would be too cheesy? If i did cut that line out then the way han says his next line wouldn't make much sense. who did he just reply to when nobody said anything? Anyway i don't want to have to change lines just to add in a special effect.

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As regards to adding a hologram officer to the conference room scene, then i will be leaving that scene as it is. I would think that all officers would have been expected to attend the meeting and that attending via a hologram wouldn't have been tolerated.

Well, whatever everyone wants. I just threw the idea out there...

1. yes the sky does need fixing. That pink blur is really distracting especially because it moves with the camera.
--Sweet!

2. I'm filtering berus voice so she sounds more like she is there and not in a recording studio, also resyncing the lines.
--I knew you were fixing the audio...just wanted to make sure beru was specifically attended too.

3. getting rid of that fly is easy, but did you also notice that the treadwell has suddenly swapped places from the shot previous? So another fix to do there.
--Ha! I didn't notice that! Good catch

4. the cantina. I posted a bit further up that i'm tweaking the aliens in the cantina. I'm adding blinks, eye movement and some mouth movements too.
--Yeah, I guess I knew that too. But I had already made that screen cap so I went ahead and posted it anyway.

Man, I can't believe all of the things you're addressing in this edit! So much attention to detail!

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I never said that you said it sounded too cheesy, I just stated that as another possible reason not to use it, because if you were to fudge the lines I think it could work, but I perfectly understand not changing lines to add an effect, you've got to have some artistic integrity here, unlike the creator lol.

Also I just wanted to ask your permission to use your versions in a (far) future edit, youd be highly credited ofcourse (not to mention if ever I use someone elses edit for my own edits, they get a copy of mine), I'm cutting it together right now using the OUT, I may even release this rough version, but in the end I see my edit using your versions, and I'm stating this now in case I release both versions that way people dont start calling me lucas junior for changing things to my "original vision" because right now there actually are technical limitations, ala your edit not being done lol, but i gotta say thats something im glad to see, because, as stated before, your attention to detail is superb and amazing, keep up the totally awesome super duper great work, we all love everything we see so far!
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Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
I never said that you said it sounded too cheesy, I just stated that as another possible reason not to use it, because if you were to fudge the lines I think it could work, but I perfectly understand not changing lines to add an effect, you've got to have some artistic integrity here, unlike the creator lol.

Also I just wanted to ask your permission to use your versions in a (far) future edit, youd be highly credited ofcourse (not to mention if ever I use someone elses edit for my own edits, they get a copy of mine), I'm cutting it together right now using the OUT, I may even release this rough version, but in the end I see my edit using your versions, and I'm stating this now in case I release both versions that way people dont start calling me lucas junior for changing things to my "original vision" because right now there actually are technical limitations, ala your edit not being done lol, but i gotta say thats something im glad to see, because, as stated before, your attention to detail is superb and amazing, keep up the totally awesome super duper great work, we all love everything we see so far!


sorry, i must have misread it. Sure you can use my version for yours. it'll be available for anyone who wants it. it's definately looking like an early 2007 release now though. I'm having a few problems with some of the effects shots i want to do due to lack of material and some technical limitations. I'm a bit stuck on my new Tantive IV being pulled into the belly of the stardestroyer shot because i just can't find a good enough pic of the Tantive IV from the angle i need it. Thers one perfect shot in ROTJ but its not sharp enough to go with the new stardestroyer. good news is though, thanks to Erikstormtrooper, i may have found someone who can do the new death star 3D schematics i've been after.

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Hey adywan,
would it be at all possible to remove obi-wan calling vader "darth"
could you drop in "vader" from other dialogue?

"Only a Master of Evil Vader"
I feel it doesnt flow as nicely...I guess it would be great to take out the name dropping at all but then you would have to hide the lip movement....im not gifted enough to know how much effort that would take. I recall some people have thought to cancel the context of Darth being a title by removing it from Maul, Tyrannus, Plaguis and Sidious in the prequels to make Vader seem special but it seems like so much more work that way...

anyway, just thought ide mention it, im a big fan of all your work so far.



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Why would you want to remove Obi-Wan calling him Darth? The way I see it, Obi-Wan calls him that in an angry/regretful tone.

DV: "When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master."

OW: "Only a master of evil, Darth."

He is almost mocking him for his bad choices and his high and mighty attitude. It is better that he calls him Darth, and not Vader because of this context. Vader calls himself the 'master', a Dark Lord of the Sith, or simply a Darth. In this case, Obi-Wan is directly attacking his stance as a 'master' aka 'Darth'. You can almost imagine Obi-Wan saying to him after the previous dialogue, "Look how far you have fallen." It is Anakin's delusion that he is some great master, but the only thing he is a master of is evil, and more importantly, hate.

It may not have been designed that way originally, but knowing the full story as we all do now, that is what I think when I watch it. From a story-telling point of view, understood this way it gives a subtle hint to the audience not only of the bad blood bewteen them, but the stress on the name/title also draws attention to the fact that this is not the name/title by which Obi-Wan used to know him.



Just my thoughts.
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Why not completely confuse everyone who hasn't ever seen a SW film (unlikely at the moment) and get OB1 to call him Anakin you could lift that phrase from ROTJ.
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The thing to keep in mind about tkeeping he "Darth" thing is that the whole defence of telling Luke that his father is dead is that to Obi-Wan, he DID die when he became Darth Vader - for him, Anakin is no more, and, incidentally, it's the explanation of why Luke is able to succeed in rescuing his father where Obi-Wan failed; Luke still believes his father is in there somewhere. Unless you were kidding, Eros?
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Nah, that was lucas when he was sure vader really was a different person and did actually kill Lukes' dad.
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If I remember right, you are keeping the Jabba scene. If this is the case, can you fix Boba Fett from looking right at the camera as he walks by? Bugs the crud outta me.