Originally posted by: mvertaI appreciate your interest in lumping all "conspiracy theorists" together so you can ridicule them more easily, but the truth is some of us may in fact have some expertise to bring to bear on these issues. If you'd asked that theoretical question about having all scenes grained or not, I would've answered, "I don't know," because I don't. I can only speculate - albeit intelligently - about the reasons why LFL would be interested in devaluing the product. It is a fact that they are doing so, by the way, not conjecture.
Yes, they have substantially devaluated this DVD release by using these inferior transfers, I don´t question that. It is a more than sloppy release, and if you would have happen to read some posts of me on this issue, you would have noticed that I am a strong vocal opposer of this release.
BUT....
You have to be careful to stay with the facts. This transfer is shoddy and does not represent what can be achieved on DVD. You can explain this to anyone, and some people will actually understand that.
BUT, if you are now building up a whole conspiracy theory without any proof, just some vague assumptions, and trying to sell this, ALL people will quickly oversee the whole point of this site (fighting for quality copies of the OOT), and just claim "Nah, these are unthankful über Nerdie nutjobs!".
FACTS and proofs please, not just some vague theories and references to things you have seen or people you have heard. Things like that can be made up by everyone here.
But one doesn't disprove - or prove for that matter - the other.
Exactly.
The images are degraded. That is a fact. Whether intentional or not, is another issue. Personally, I believe the DVD's are intentionally presented as inferior, because Lucasfilm told me they were, and have been proving it on their site, and I can see it . Plus, I can compare to earlier transfers which are largely superior.
They wouldn´t have needed to add cgi grain to the movie. The transfer itself is inferior and would have never achieved the amount of detail of the 2004SE, with or without added cgi grain.
Plus, I've seen high res clean source material, and been told it doesn't exist.
Again, some vague reference. If you mean film material, actually no one out there believes that there wasn´t any better material available to remaster the OOT. We all know that much higher source material exists, so this is no surprising secret.
My initial post stated I believe grain has been added - that I would bet money on it. I didn't say I was 1000% sure; I couldn't be. But my position stands, and I'd still bet money on it. I've tried to illustrate a bit, and explain a bit more; sadly having to trump my credentials out along the way somewhat, but I suppose that's to be expected...
The problem is: i could easily disprove your point by posting images here which where nowhere as grainy as this particular scene. Plus the fact that in this scene, optical effects were used, and Lowry himself said that everytime someone turned on a lighsaber, the image quality dropped noticeably.
Sorry, but I do not blindly believe what people say, I want waterproof facts.
In any case, the degradation of the imagery isn't an opinion, it's a quantifiable fact. How much of a grand conspiracy that represents depends on how much that sort of thing appeals to you, I guess. But I'm from the school of thought that says if the government killed Kennedy to turn on the war machine, it's not so much a conspiracy as a business plan. Different strokes, I guess. Anyway, the 2006 DVD's suck, and could've been a billion times better with almost zero effort, so perhaps you should turn your ire where it belongs.
I´m citing the T-800 regarding your claims made here: "This does not help our mission."
Hint: it isn't on me. And if you enjoy your substandard release, then that's awesome; you got what you deserved.