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Ahhh, what the heck, auraloffalwaffle and theredbaron already seem to be really unhappy with my views...

JediSage, you forgot to mention the Club G'itmo gear.
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(If you can't read the shirt, or the image is blocked because its deemed bandwidth stealing, it says "My Mullah went to Club G'itmo and all I got was this Lousy T-Shirt")

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Yeah, I'd like to get the "What happens at Gitmo stay at Gitmo" one.

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Originally posted by: starkiller
So, you'd suggest we allow them the benefits of the US justice system that they would seek to destroy? That's allowing them to exploit another part of our society that they view as a weakness.

Returning to a previous item, I found an article online, put up 2 weeks after 9/11:
If pigs could fly ...
Posted: September 27, 2001
1:00 a.m. Eastern

WASHINGTON – Pigs, hogs, swine, porkers, barrows, trotters. When Americans aren't eating them – hot dogs, bologna, spareribs, pig's knuckles, ham, bacon, pork chops – they're adoring them on TV or the big screen. Hollywood has transformed the stinky, snorty critters into lovable pink-bellied icons known affectionately to all of us as "Porky Pig," "Arnold" or "Babe."

In short, most Americans love pigs.

But to Muslims, they are just stinky, snorty critters, the quintessence of uncleanliness.

Indeed, Muslims are forbidden to eat pork by the Koran, their holy book. To knowingly eat pork is to commit an act of sin which could jeopardize their ascension to Paradise.

It's not just meat they have to be careful about eating. They also have to check that cheeses and yogurts – even cake frosting – don't contain "unclean" byproducts such as pork lard.

When traveling on American jetliners, orthodox Muslims typically order vegetarian meals to avoid the chance encounter with one of Arnold Ziffel's relatives. On Arabic airliners, they ask for a "blessed" meat called halal. Such non-pork meat has been drained of blood during the slaughtering and butchering process. The Koran forbids the consumption of animal blood (which makes pig's blood virtually radioactive, an observation our military might find useful, as I'll explain further on).

So averse to pigs are Islamic fundamentalists, that even coming in contact with them – or any part of them, such as their hide – means defiling themselves. It's not a sin to touch, say, a pigskin football, but if they do, they are advised to wash their hands immediately.

Pig-fat products are on the list of items Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia has declared to be against the sharia, the ruling clerics' interpretation of Islamic law.

So, you see, pigs are to Islamic terrorists – such as Osama bin Laden and his henchmen – what kryptonite is to Superman, or what garlic is to Dracula.

Take Mohamed Atta, for example.

The suspected ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers was so careful not to eat pork fat that he scraped the frosting from cakes. Here was a man more afraid of eating a hint of pork in a dessert than flying a jet full speed into a skyscraper.

See where I'm going with this?

Few in Washington want to admit it, but these Islamic fanatics have baited us into a holy war. And like it or not, we'll have to use their religion against them to win.

Psychological warfare

U.S. forces should start by dropping leaflets over Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, warning residents, in their native Persian tongue, that we've enlisted Afghani moles to contaminate their water supplies with pig's blood.

The propaganda would also warn that American soldiers have greased their bullets with pork fat. We could tell them, while we're at it, that we've ordered special pigskin-lined fatigues for this mission.

At night, we could bombard bin Laden's camps with recordings of hog-snorting. If he and his fellow terrorists won't come out of their caves, send pen-loads of trotters in to nuzzle them.

Can't find bin Laden? Force-feed Taliban clerics pork rinds until they give up his location. If that doesn't work, air-lift pigs into their homes.

In the meantime, airlines could reupholster plane seats with pigskin, and cover cockpit yokes with the "unclean" hide to repel future Islamic hijackers. For insurance, serve passengers bacon bits instead of peanuts.

If their religion is driving them to hate Americans, and rewarding them to kill our people, then it's hardly indecent to use their faith against them to protect us.

Hit them where it hurts. They hit us where it hurts – and they're already planning to do it again.

They're not afraid of death. However, they are afraid of pigs. Send in the porkers, lock them out of Paradise, and watch them surrender.



Ah, that's some pretty twisted logic you've got there, buddy. So you think anyone who needs to be tried in the court of law has respect for the US justice system? Should we deny those charged with murder, rape, or theft a proper hearing because they obviously have no respect for the judicial system? Or at least if they've been wrongly accused, they'll have no respect for the system anymore...Do you think a 'terrorist' (read: Australian that travelled alongside the Taliban) is motivated by the US judicial system in particular or perhaps US foreign policy, or maybe even religion? Sorry dude, but that's just fucked up. To assume that one of my countrymen seeks to exploit your judicial system or even the destruction of it in particular, and then to surmise that this is a legitimate reason to deny him a fair trial in any court is bullshit. Bottom line is this: David Hicks is being tortured in a political and legal grey area by people who are unaware of his rights as a human being, and he should be tried either in an American court and put in a US jail if convicted (if that be to the US's satisfaction), or brought back to Australia to be tried by our own judicial system.
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Here's some background on David Hicks:

David Hicks, an Adelaide man, was captured by the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan in early December 2001 while travelling with Taliban soldiers who were defending their territory from the Northern Alliance. David's father, Terry, said his son seemed unaware of the September 11 attacks and extremely doubtful of their authenticity when they spoke on a mobile phone a few days after the American bombing campaign had begun.

Since David's capture he has been handed over to the Americans who have moved him to Cuba and the infamous Camp X-ray. He remains there uncharged after numerous interrogations by both American and Australian government military officers and/or officials. He was detained in a small cage for more than five months, and was transferred to a small "shed type" prison cell about the middle of 2002. There is a bed, no chair and no window. The lights are on twenty four hours a day. He has only two fifteen minute exercise periods a week where he is walked shackled between two guards. He is forced to wear an overall type uniform whether it is forty-three degrees Centigrade (over one hundred degrees Fahrenheit) or less.

In a recent letter (early 2003) he wrote about an operation - the nature of this was not disclosed - where he was in hospital and was treated like a human being for three days. After this he was given a chair to sit on for three days.

Presently, it seems that the Australian government officials have been trying to "persuade" David to confess to some crimes in order to be repatriated to his homeland. This is despite comments by Victoria Clarke, Pentagon spokesperson, in February of 2002 stating that all prisoners in Cuba were only the "rats and mice" of the Taliban and would possibly never be charged with any crime. (This includes the man said to be over one hundred years old who was sent home to Afghanistan in the last few months.) Furthermore American officers from the camp have visited Afghanistan and asked those in command to stop sending these unimportant prisoners to the camp and to concentrate on bigger fish - if and when they capture them.

David has not been charged with any crime in Australia. He has not been charged with any crime in Afghanistan. He is detained without charge, without trial and without access to family or consular assistance.

This intolerable situation has gone on long enough and we would welcome your support. Our group provides some press releases to depict the situation as it really is, and, not as some of the more tabloid type media has portrayed it. We are also raising funds to pay for David's return to Australia and his legal fees, estimated to be $5mill. Contributions can be sent to Fair Go For David, PO Box 634, PROSPECT EAST SA 5082.

Fair Go for David seeks that:

* David Hicks be treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions
* The law of Habeas Corpus be applied to David Hicks
* David Hicks be repatriated to Australia and given a fair civil trial, if charged with any crime/s
* Any other Australians in a similar situation to David Hicks be entitled to the same rights
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I hope we keep David Hicks until he's 90 and then blast him off into the atmosphere using a comically oversized circus cannon.

You don't want to be blasted into the atmosphere? Don't go over and fight with Al Qaeda then, you dumb fucking douche.

Fucking honestly, cry me a river.

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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Here's some background on David Hicks:

David Hicks, an Adelaide man, was captured by the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan in early December 2001 while travelling with Taliban soldiers who were defending their territory from the Northern Alliance. David's father, Terry, said his son seemed unaware of the September 11 attacks and extremely doubtful of their authenticity when they spoke on a mobile phone a few days after the American bombing campaign had begun.

Since David's capture he has been handed over to the Americans who have moved him to Cuba and the infamous Camp X-ray. He remains there uncharged after numerous interrogations by both American and Australian government military officers and/or officials. He was detained in a small cage for more than five months, and was transferred to a small "shed type" prison cell about the middle of 2002. There is a bed, no chair and no window. The lights are on twenty four hours a day. He has only two fifteen minute exercise periods a week where he is walked shackled between two guards. He is forced to wear an overall type uniform whether it is forty-three degrees Centigrade (over one hundred degrees Fahrenheit) or less.
So, let me get this straight...
1. He was with soldiers of the Taliban until being captured by someone (Northern Alliance, I would assume). Why was he with them? Did he support them? There were many American-born Taliban found and arrested.
2. He doubted the 9/11 attacks ever happened. (even when told by his own father, so I assume?) Why did he doubt?
3. Why would his own government interrogate him numerous times? If he is innocent, and they believe it, why have they not launched some kind of formal protest with the US State Department? The US and Australia are on very good terms and if he is as innocent as you seem to think, expediting his return should be important to both sides.

I'm sorry, but nothing about that story tells me he deserves to be let go at the moment. President Bush said quite plainly in the beginning that if you are not with us, you are against us. Sounds like David here was against us.
Now, if if that wasn't the case, and he was, simply put, in the wrong place at the wrong time, I agree with you.
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Excuse me, but nothing in theredbaron's post claimed that he was regarded as innocent. The point is that he, like all the other detainees, are being held outside of any law. He has not been charged. He has not been given a trial. The Australians are saying: if you won't we will. Why are the US dragging their heels?
Don't you call me a mindless philosopher...!
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The Australians are saying: if you won't we will. Why are the US dragging their heels?

If this was just up to Pres. Bush these people would have military trials. The issue still to be determined by Congress is if this is satisfactory or should Congress determine if these individuals should get additional legal jursidiction. Congress needs to make the determination, agreed the political wheels are spinning slowly, as these are non citizens and thus don't get the same amount of attention. If they do get a trial in the same legal merit of a citizen of a country, they will be in the system for some time as well. This is a new situation for any Judicial System, no one wants to make a mistake by making a hasty decision. The outcome will be used for years in future accused terrorist arrests. What precident the US sets up will most likely be adopted by other countries, so they are collecting opinions and legal arguments. Anyone know of any dates/forums where the US Congress has debated this issue?
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Right.

And really, what are we supposed to do with them? Ask them to pay bail and make them promise they'll show back up whenever Congress decides how to try them? Riiight.

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There is an extradition treaty between the U.S. and Australia, yes? I know there's probably procedural matters that haven't been satisfied, but at least there is a mechanism in place.
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